Need Delve weapons to beat delve NMs...

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Originally Posted by Doctrine

its already bad enough that people think relic, empy, or mythic weapons are REQUIRED for low end content like VW, NNI, etc. if SE allowed things like parser, the problem would only spiral so far out of control it could never be fixed.

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Thats actually completely wrong. As it has been stated before, if you do not know someone you can not know if they suck, requiring a powerful weapon or one which is harder to obtain lowers your chances at getting one of these people. By parsing you can find people who are good at a job even though it may not be common or it may be a lower grade weapon. My RDM for instance has out DDed quite a few Ukon WARs and the like in VW and such, but its not only because I'm a good RDM, they are bad at their job as well. By parsing people can determine who is a good player and who is not pulling their weight in a party, and thus it actually helps eliminate the problem you bring up, which is the RMED problem.

Basically, the reason why RMED shouts exist are because people who are being shouted for are often are unknown, and if you are not known its impossible to tell what level of player you are, if doing something that is actually hard, then you could be picking up a terrible player which could cost you a fight. On that same note, with things like parsing you can tell in a fight how well someone does, if someone can do well with an AH weapon you know that person is skilled enough to be worth bringing with or without them having a RMED weapon. I hope this makes sense.

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

Its like banning calculators D:

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In all honesty I think if they could they would remove the info on how the math works in game from the wiki sites like BG and FFXIclopedia because this alone shows them basically banning us for getting more knowledge about how we perform in battle.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

In all honesty I think if they could they would remove the info on how the math works in game from the wiki sites like BG and FFXIclopedia because this alone shows them basically banning us for getting more knowledge about how we perform in battle.

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I actually tried to find where parsers violate the ToS, and the best thing I could find was:

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2.5 Data Mining. You may not intercept, mine or otherwise collect information from the Game using unauthorized third party software.

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So apparantly those text files which accumulate on your disk's harddrive are illegal to use any third party software to collect information regarding them. But if it's not done by software, it should be perfectly fine, yeah? Or if the software used is not third-party, it should be ok. Which is why I've hired a team of super-nerds to repeatedly copy the text files which comprise my chat log and use calculators and paper to "parse" how much damage I, and my party members do during fights. I then store all this "parsed" data in a binder I keep in the hutch above my desk. It's a good thing I don't use software to do that though or I'd be violating the ToS.

technically, reading those text files with Notepad could be construed as using "third party software." of course, I'm being a cynical devils advocate jerk by saying that (and I don't agree with it either :p )

They don't enforce the rule much simply because they know it would ban a pretty measureable chunk of their playerbase.

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Originally Posted by Yinnyth

I actually tried to find where parsers violate the ToS, and the best thing I could find was:



So apparantly those text files which accumulate on your disk's harddrive are illegal to use any third party software to collect information regarding them. But if it's not done by software, it should be perfectly fine, yeah? Or if the software used is not third-party, it should be ok. Which is why I've hired a team of super-nerds to repeatedly copy the text files which comprise my chat log and use calculators and paper to "parse" how much damage I, and my party members do during fights. I then store all this "parsed" data in a binder I keep in the hutch above my desk. It's a good thing I don't use software to do that though or I'd be violating the ToS.

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It's not against the rules to parse files generated by FFXI, it's against the rules to discuss and suggest to use software OTHER then SE approved software for ANY purpose including parsing logs. You could get banned for discussing how to use the Calculator found with your Windows OS to calculate haste values, if they were to get really strict with it. Or just banned for the lulz, because a GM can ban you if he's having a bad day and you snatched that last stack of sushi from the AH. (Probably could get that reversed, but it'll still be weeks of trying to contact SE support and being told to contact an ingame GM who tells you to contact SE support.)

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

technically, reading those text files with Notepad could be construed as using "third party software." of course, I'm being a cynical devils advocate jerk by saying that (and I don't agree with it either :p )

They don't enforce the rule much simply because they know it would ban a pretty measureable chunk of their playerbase.

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Well really, the internet is accessed via third party software, so depending on how far you take it, reading anything on the internet related to the game is breaking the ToS isn't it? So that would be just about every person who has played this game since its release as I am sure there are only a few people ever to play this without some sort of way to get on a wiki.

I was going to crack a joke about them banning me for being on the Official Forums or FFXIAH checking prices/bazaars, but figured i'd try to keep it less sarcastic... Glad you went there for me D:

I think it's doable, with the right members, that being said, Iwagami urged elite players to "give everyone a chance", doing so will cause a fail, usually. I've seen Tax'et despawn at 1% on a third try. My suggestion is extend the time limit to 45 minutes, an additional 25 minutes should be more than enough time to allow non-elites, such as myself, to get their KIs, since I am only lucky enough to get into Fracture farming parties because, and only because, I have a complete TH setup on THF. Until I can get my KI, my DRK isn't welcome in a fracture because Hoarfrost isn't good enough, and I haven't completed neither Apocalypse nor Ragnarok yet.

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Originally Posted by Kojo

I think it's doable, with the right members, that being said, Iwagami urged elite players to "give everyone a chance", doing so will cause a fail, usually. I've seen Tax'et despawn at 1% on a third try. My suggestion is extend the time limit to 45 minutes, an additional 25 minutes should be more than enough time to allow non-elites, such as myself, to get their KIs, since I am only lucky enough to get into Fracture farming parties because, and only because, I have a complete TH setup on THF. Until I can get my KI, my DRK isn't welcome in a fracture because Hoarfrost isn't good enough, and I haven't completed neither Apocalypse nor Ragnarok yet.

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Or, give the person popping two options: the current 20-minute timer (with a huge bayld bonus attached), or that 45-minute timer. I would be okay with seeing this.

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Originally Posted by Kojo

I think it's doable, with the right members, that being said, Iwagami urged elite players to "give everyone a chance", doing so will cause a fail, usually. I've seen Tax'et despawn at 1% on a third try. My suggestion is extend the time limit to 45 minutes, an additional 25 minutes should be more than enough time to allow non-elites, such as myself, to get their KIs, since I am only lucky enough to get into Fracture farming parties because, and only because, I have a complete TH setup on THF. Until I can get my KI, my DRK isn't welcome in a fracture because Hoarfrost isn't good enough, and I haven't completed neither Apocalypse nor Ragnarok yet.

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I got all my KIs on Phoenix in the first week, but they weren't all killed on the first try though, some where some weren't.

Often you would get someone who most likely abyssea burned their job don't even have cap combat skills sitting there missing the mob. If someone actually cares about their 1 job this stuff is beat able without any sort of relics/empyreans.

It is a problem in a sense people like myself who already have most of the delve weapons have no reason to join a NM kill run because its less points. Really only worthwhile to join farm runs. If I know someone doing NMs and they want me to join then I will but wouldn't join random shout. FFXI seemed to of had this problem since its creation if you don't get on the gravy train in the first week its always way harder to get it done after.

To fix the problem NMs should give more points then you would get in a farm run to get people to join them.