shinryu proc

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Originally Posted by hiko

POIDH!
nobody have posted pic on any forum of a spell/ws giving hint then procing (on the same mob, without the mob going passive)

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Who's going to waste their time to do this on something that seldomly happens?

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Originally Posted by Llana_Virren

Ah well my bad, forgot to add this at the end:

The "message or proc" rule works both in vw and abby; if it's the correct proc, you won't get a message.

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nevermind.

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Originally Posted by svengalis

Again, this is not true. I used to think this after someone told me it was. I would go through all other ws sometimes twice cause I had gotten hint on a dirty proc which turned out to be the correct ws. I have 4 emp weapons 14+ 99 jobs with 5/5 +2 for most of them.

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Misread what virren said ignore my last post.

I can confirm that the trigger proc can cause a discernment message if it's dirty.

I had to trigger Red Lotus Blade because we got a hint of a Fire weaponskill weakness for red. Obviously, Red Lotus Blade is the only possible fire trigger for red.

I used RLB but Sharabha decided to start casting Stoneja at that time. RLB was dirty, but I still got the "The fiend appears to be vulnerable to Fire Elemental weaponskills!"

My next one was clean and caused the trigger.

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Originally Posted by Greggles

It doesn't matter. If you've ever gotten the message - even if it was dirty - it's not that ability for the proc. You'll also never see a discern proc(in my and all of my friends' experiences) on the same spell/WS that the proc is.

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like others said, no

I want to make things clear since the wording is confusing to me however.

You CAN get the hint on a failed proc attempt by the thing that procs it.

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Originally Posted by Rambus

like others said, no

I want to make things clear since the wording is confusing to me however.

You CAN get the hint on a failed proc attempt by the thing that procs it.

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Ok. I can admit when I'm wrong. And yeah, I apologize about the crappy wording, guess I didn't think that one through. xD

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Originally Posted by svengalis

Misread what virren said ignore my last post.

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I don't think you misread. They said that you can't get a hint off the correct spell, which is false:

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Originally Posted by Llana_Virren

Ah well my bad, forgot to add this at the end:

The "message or proc" rule works both in vw and abby; if it's the correct proc, you won't get a message.

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For Voidwatch however, this is true, simply because in VW a spell cannot be dirty. So you will always proc if it's the correct spell, and I don't think you can get a hint while you're staggering a mob (I am very sure of this).

I have had countless, COUNTLESS instances in Abyssea of using the correct ws but having it dirty, and not once has it ever produced a discernment message when that happens. Not ONCE. And I've seen several atmas drop from mobs without red procs, so I am no stranger to rare Abyssea happenings. So I am also calling POIDH here, tbh

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For Voidwatch however, this is true, simply because in VW a spell cannot be dirty.

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I'm pretty sure I've heard BLUs complain that their spells will not proc if the spell has an added effect which fails to land on the mob. I never like playing BLU in VW though so I can't cite any sort of personal experience there.

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

I have had countless, COUNTLESS instances in Abyssea of using the correct ws but having it dirty, and not once has it ever produced a discernment message when that happens. Not ONCE. And I've seen several atmas drop from mobs without red procs, so I am no stranger to rare Abyssea happenings. So I am also calling POIDH here, tbh



I'm pretty sure I've heard BLUs complain that their spells will not proc if the spell has an added effect which fails to land on the mob. I never like playing BLU in VW though so I can't cite any sort of personal experience there.

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Same. You get 1) Proc, 2) Message, 3) Nothing (dirty); I really think some people don't pay attention and just go off of "recollection" during the 9M or so times they kill something in Abby, and their experience gets blurred in together.

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

I'm pretty sure I've heard BLUs complain that their spells will not proc if the spell has an added effect which fails to land on the mob. I never like playing BLU in VW though so I can't cite any sort of personal experience there.

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That is not what I meant by dirty, that's simply a missed spell. By "dirty" I meant while mob uses a TP move, is casting or stunned and hence, despite landing, the spell will not stagger a weakness.

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Originally Posted by Llana_Virren

I really think some people don't pay attention and just go off of "recollection" during the 9M or so times they kill something in Abby, and their experience gets blurred in together.

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My words.