Job Vision: Watch paint dry

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Originally Posted by Dallas

Make the job less boring. Melee as /WHM for the red procs you can't get otherwise, keep healing, and make simple minds EXPLODE!

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Or, make the job less boring and melee as /war for those procs you can't get otherwise, and at the same time utilise 10% double attack, berserk, aggressor, warcry, attack bonus.

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Originally Posted by AyinDygra

Maybe Summoners should gain access to the family of spells associated with the active avatar; in effect, creating spell-casting modes more limited than Scholar, but still giving them "something" to do. This is in keeping with both Rydia's use of Black and White magic, and Yuna's white magic. They may even be able to use the MP of their Avatar to cast the spells, instead of their own.

Examples:
Shiva: Ice magic I-IV, Frost and Sleep
Ramuh: Thunder magic I-IV, Shock, Stun and paralyze.
Titan: Earth magic I-IV, Rasp, Gravity, Stun, Slow
Ifrit: Fire magic I-IV, Burn, Plague? +?
Garuda: Wind magic I-IV, Choke, Silence
Leviathan: Water magic I-IV, Drown, Slow
Carbuncle: Cures I-IV and protection magic.
Diabolos: Sleep, Gravity, Phalanx +?
Fenrir: Blind, Paralyze, Dispel +?
Atomos: Stardust I-IV, Slow
Cait Sith: (unknown)

Now Summoners will never be without something to do, and it's entirely linked to their main job, not selection of support job.

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I like this idea, and the feedback of it seems to be forgetting that these are additions to your spell list, not the only thing you have. You'd still have your blood pacts and avatars dealing damage.

Seriously, gettin T4 nukes with comparable skill (scaled with summoning magic) (and SMN gets some pieces of mab gear too (eradico mitts, Zenith hands, novio, hecates, etc) would make me actually play the job.

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Originally Posted by Babekeke

Or, make the job less boring and melee as /war for those procs you can't get otherwise, and at the same time utilise 10% double attack, berserk, aggressor, warcry, attack bonus.

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You forgot to mention defense bonus and resist virus with the list of buffs that would make SMN more useless.

Now if you could get 15% haste with a spell that would be something. Oh wait.

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Uhm... It said "example" not "We promise to do this".

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Do you really think they're just making stuff up with no intention of actually doing it? Did you know that many of these abilities/spells already have animations in the DAT files as of the most recent update?

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I'd also like to remind you that they said 2006 that we are going to get new avatars that we can keep out LONGER than our current ones.

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This is a result of funny story telling and the telephone game. They NEVER said this. They said we were getting 2 new avatars, and that they wanted us to be able to keep our summons out more. Two seperate things, and both of them were achieved. They said NOTHING about the new avatars specifically being the ones we'd summon longer.

They used the word "example" to say that the exact changes are not set in stone, e.g. they could change. I won't blame you for being skeptical, as SMN tends to get the short end of the stick, but these changes are backed up by new data in the data files.

Finally, to reinforce this further, they would not name SPECIFIC avatars if they were not going to implement them.

If you feel that playing Summoner is like watching paint dry

[size=6]STOP PLAYING SUMMONER[/size]

because clearly it is not the job for you.

I wouldn't mind it if the avatars would have the same abilities and traits as the Summoner.

Like, if you sub WAR, the avatar would get double attack and such. Stuff like that would make any melee SMN happy.

Plus, it would make subbing BLM viable, because of MAB attached to it.

Having Divine Seal and using Healing Ruby II would be outstanding.

Hasso would make Ramuh that much more potent (assuming that they allow that, that is).

Also, while we are at it, lets include gear stats to the avatar too. Having avatars with 22% haste would help with their DoT a lot. Why, even Dallas would approve of that.

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Originally Posted by Korpg

I wouldn't mind it if the avatars would have the same abilities and traits as the Summoner.

Like, if you sub WAR, the avatar would get double attack and such. Stuff like that would make any melee SMN happy.

Plus, it would make subbing BLM viable, because of MAB attached to it.

Having Divine Seal and using Healing Ruby II would be outstanding.

Hasso would make Ramuh that much more potent (assuming that they allow that, that is).

Also, why we are at it, lets include gear stats to the avatar too. Having avatars with 22% haste would help with their DoT a lot. Why, even Dallas would approve of that.

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That's all kind of a game changer for SMN, completely changing what gear you would use. Not that they couldn't fix that in future updates, but 1~90 would be lol.

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Originally Posted by Leonlionheart

That's all kind of a game changer for SMN, completely changing what gear you would use. Not that they couldn't fix that in future updates, but 1~90 would be lol.

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Considering the alternative (Pet: +Stat gear) comes into play relatively late in the leveling process, it might not be as bad, I'd think.

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Originally Posted by Duelle

Considering the alternative (Pet: +Stat gear) comes into play relatively late in the leveling process, it might not be as bad, I'd think.

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Maybe a JT then, even still it would change a lot. I can't say if it would be a bad thing, just that it would take a lot of SMN gear in the complete opposite direction.

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Originally Posted by Leonlionheart

Maybe a JT then, even still it would change a lot. I can't say if it would be a bad thing, just that it would take a lot of SMN gear in the complete opposite direction.

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It depends on the player to be honest.

For soloist, it wouldn't change a thing. For lolmelee SMN, it might actually be great for them.

For SMN only players, would help them out tremendously.