Scholar adjustments: Recall and Retrace

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Originally Posted by Korpg

Why not ask for All WHM and BLM spells also.

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What a constructive post.

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Originally Posted by Sotek

WotG itself is pretty redundant in itself, unless WoE actually gets a decent patch, in which case they're all still redundant since none of them take you anywhere near WoE.

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So running from jeuno to batalia maw, from batalia to xarcabard [s] is faster than retrace, run to warp npc, then run down the hill to the conflux? What logic is this?

Is there anything that you might want to use Modus Veritas on that it actually works on? I seem to get "no effect" 100% of the time these days. (Given that Helices aren't even worth casting, let alone MVing, on non-NMs.)

I understand they wanted to fix the MV-swarm bug/exploit, but really, they could have done it without breaking MV completely. Even making MV completely nonstackable would have been an improvement over making it completely nonfunctional.

Also: second the idea that biggest problem with SCH right now is too-small heals. It's fine to be a second-rate healer and a second-rate nuker that can switch from one to the other as needed, but a second-rate nuker and inadequate healer that can switch between them as needed isn't deriving any value from that versatility. You need a really good tank to survive a NM fight with a SCH healer, but any fool can smash his face into the keyboard and win with a WHM. Result: everyone wants a WHM.

Second biggest is lack of yellow proc spells (which are more important for some purposes than SCH's actual damage output as a nuker, which remains respectable), but that might go away if there's non-Abyssea content that will actually get played and have desirable rewards (unlike WoE and VW).

Really, compared to that stuff, who gives a damn about Recall and Retrace? (Can't you buy scrolls of Retrace for like 5 Allied Notes anyway? Provided that you think far enough ahead to buy one when you're in the past and stuff it in your satchel until the next time you want to go to the past, then buy another one when you arrive, etc.)

P.S. Also, I'd still like to see an update that adds SCH wearability to some older "any mage job" pieces/sets that they were left off for no apparent reason, such as Zenith and Nashira, but with higher levels it doesn't matter that much to effectiveness anymore; it's just a pointless insult.

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Originally Posted by Delsus

So running from jeuno to batalia maw, from batalia to xarcabard [s] is faster than retrace, run to warp npc, then run down the hill to the conflux? What logic is this?

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Get a retrace scroll? The only purpose of the spell really, is for casting on others/saving yourself 1 invo.

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Originally Posted by Coldbrand

What a constructive post.

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It is about as constructive as asking for all Recall spells and the spell Retrace.

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Originally Posted by Sotek

I'm dreading merit revamp. I guess I should be more positive, but all I see coming is "Changing Modus Veritas Duration to Modus Veritas Recast/Accuracy" as an incredibly cheap fix to Modus.

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Never remain positive.

What we would like:
The merits were given a proper boost and worthwhile to be merited.

What SE is prone to do:
Somehow make WARs merit Defender without increasing the merit limit.

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Originally Posted by Korpg

It is about as constructive as asking for all Recall spells and the spell Retrace.

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Asking for those is logical. So is asking for haste.

The problem is that SE has set the game up for anti logical designs.

In terms of Lore it makes sense, but they were given to somebody else who already uses those type of spells and I suppose it's kind of expected. I think SCH needs to focus on what makes them special. I want to be invited as a SCH not as a weak WHM nor a weak BLM nor a cross between the two.

Fixing Modus Veritas is a cause I can back though. ;)

Asking for Recall and Retrace may be logical (it isn't), but it's certainly not constructive. Having Recall/Retrace is right up there on my list of useful things for Scholar to have along side the Stout Servant trait.

As for logic. No. There is no logic in giving Scholar these spells. White/Black Mage are already set up as the transporter spell holders. Unless Scholar got Teleport-/Warp as well then it just isn't logical at all. You don't just suddenly get transporting spells just because they send you to your jobs point of origin.
Seriously, being from X place doesn't entitle a job for a spell that sends you there. Or if it does, lets ask for a Blue Magic spell that transports you to Whitegate. It doesn't need to make sense, Blue Mage is from Whitegate, so that's enough logic to give it a warp spell there.

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Originally Posted by Malamasala

Asking for those is logical. So is asking for haste.

The problem is that SE has set the game up for anti logical designs.

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Why not go both directions?

Why shouldn't RDMs ask for that Regain Spell? Or WHM?

Why shouldn't BLM ask for those Helix spells? Since, you know, they get a lot more DoT spells than SCH does, even at an earlier level.

See the point? We don't ask for those spells (at least most sane WHM/RDM/BLMs) because we know that we don't want to take SCH's role away from them.

Why are SCHs asking to take our roles away from us? Why do SCHs think they deserve to become the better healer than WHM, or better nuker than BLM? Heck, many deluded SCHs thought they were better nukers at 75, but only because they were comparing themselves to gimp BLMs >.>