Suggestion: Raise Minimum Level to Unlock Expansion Jobs to 50

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Originally Posted by Kraggy

I love people like you who forget what it's like to be a new player .. HTF is a NEW player going to have any Cruor to become a key-leech? Or are you suggesting a virgin level 30 is going to find an alliance willing to let them pick daisies while leeching XP for no effort whatsoever?

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Used to be that you could be a key master/whore, but now most Abyssea parties are clear on no leechers unless you pay through the tarunose for the "cough" priviledge. With FoV and GoV it's not hard to get to a level that is acceptable for entrance into Abyssea, just takes a bit more work that's all.

well i do know that you can get sam and nin with a lvl 30 war (i have done this)

After careful consideration of the topic's request an evaluation was held among people who have influences in this game's development. Hours and hours of hard work were put into determining the answer to this topic. And we have it here.

"No."

You need to have a level 50 sub job for you're level 90 job anyways, so why are people complaining that this is a bad idea.

Once again, there is not a single job in the game that won't benefit from having one of the 6 base classes at level 50 as a subjob.

Anyone can smn burn to 30 and unlock the job they want, smn burn to 30 again then abyssea leach to 90.

But to get to 50, smn burning becomes much more costly and expensive. Abyssea parties will rarely let someone level 30 in unless they have some use. As a new player they don't have the crour to burn up to 50 either way, so there is only one option left:

Actually level the job like a real player.

I personally find level 30 nowadays to be too low of a bar to set for a player to be considered "skilled" enough to join the ranks of the real players. Level 50 is much more realistic.

It won't change anything though either way, people will just start selling spots to leachin a book burning group and people will be able to leach up to 50... sigh.

Ah elitist that "know how to play the game". You guys really do take this game way to seriously. First and foremost, the game has to be fun on an individual level, then on a multi-player level...why? Multi-player games are made of individuals.
Elitist male a lot of assumptions. They assume a players want to reach max level to play with them, andthat certain jobs are a "MUST".

Any time you /tell people how to play this game your gonna alienate players. If other player are ruining your experience the only option you have is to drop the game or stay in your elite circle. STOP thinking you know the "right" way to play this game. Let other people find their own way even if it's "wrong".

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Originally Posted by Covenant

Ah elitist that "know how to play the game". You guys really do take this game way to seriously. First and foremost, the game has to be fun on an individual level, then on a multi-player level...why? Multi-player games are made of individuals.
Elitist male a lot of assumptions. They assume a players want to reach max level to play with them, andthat certain jobs are a "MUST".

Any time you /tell people how to play this game your gonna alienate players. If other player are ruining your experience the only option you have is to drop the game or stay in your elite circle. STOP thinking you know the "right" way to play this game. Let other people find their own way even if it's "wrong".

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Couldn't say it any better! =)

first off... no. a new player with no 30+ jobs cant "just Summoner burn" or "Just Key whore". he has no cruor to buy keys, probably no warp points to get to abyssea zones, be it Outposts, teleport points, Maws or w/e, and he doesn't know any high level players that will hook him up with a leech spot just because he's the coolest guy in their HNM shell and he always shows up early for dynamis. Just the grind to raise enough money for sneak / invis pots to walk 45 minutes to juno and stand around for 5 hours forking greens to a chocobo so that the trip only takes 30 minutes next time is rediculous. He wont be standing around port jeuno at level 25 waiting for that key whore shout because he doesnt even know what that is, and YOU probably wont tell him. all he knows is that all the websites say leveling is super easy and he must be a tard if he cant reach 90 in like 2 days. And seriously has anyone had a summoner burn where they didnt have ls mates in every slot any time recently? since abbysea? ever?

put down your controller, open a new account on a server where you dont know anyone with that free buddy pass that you never used when you bought the game, and go level whm solo 1-50 so you can unlock samurai and go 1-90.

when your done in like a month and you have a new found hatred of this game, come on back and try requesting something useful.

I had a blast working on my Staging points as BLU40.

It encouraged me to learn the layout of the ToAU zones really well and genuinely felt like an adventure.

I looked up the maps of FFXIClopedia, learned which mobs were true sight/sound, and learned where the exits and entrances where. I got eaten by Chigoes and Imps, navigated my way through the hell that is Arrapago Reef, dodged Wamoura's, got my steel plate for the gates of Halvung, and went toe-to-toe with Poroggo's.

It was fun.

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Level 30 is not a realistic level to be traipsing around in Arrapago Reef. Bumping up the minium for these jobs can only improve the play experience for everyone.

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Just want to be a show offy jerk and say I've "traipsed" around these zones on level 1's before.
cant for the life of me remember why i did... however i am from the past of this game I've been around since
the beginning, and have played on the same character all these years.

but i digress. i do not understand the OP's claim. his focus is blurred and i just cant seem to grasp what the problem is.
Is this because you see a low level trying to get all their Staging points they die you raise them and help them get to it and than they burden you with that timeless question: "Can you help me?"

in that case i can understand your claim however feel that this claim holds no water. even at level 50 players are going to wander these zones occasionally die and ask for help.

if any level restrictions need to be added its for Abyssea, but that is a subject for another time.

They dont need to level a job with sneak or invisible first. That is why there are prism powders and silent oils. They can either buy them on the AH *kill enough beastmen and sell all drops there's the gil* or level alchemy and make them. The recipes aren't level 100. I did my subjob quests at 30 and I didn't need a bunch of help. It was nice when I got it but wasn't overly necessary. Another thing sure a lvl 30 smn can't defeat the 65 prime avatars, however there are lvl 20 battles that with the right preps made can be done. They are difficult yes, but in all honesty they are also good practice. I, personally would not be affected by said changes, but I just don't see a point in bothering with it this late in the game.