Why complain about balance - recent job changes.

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Originally Posted by JackDaniels

It's silly to make such a huge deal (by huge deal I mean "OMG the sky is falling! the sky is falling!!") over the balance @ level 90 when 99 is right around the corner, the balance at 90 won't even matter anymore at that point. Do we actually have a solid list of skills and abilities we're going to attain between 91-99.



Post count +1? You win!

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It seems to me like you're making a far bigger deal out of this...

You asked a quesiton. I gave an answer. Nothing more to it than that. It just seemed to me like you're telling people they shouldn't complain about job balance because we have more levels coming. To me, thats precisely the reason people should be speaking up about it- to make sure it goes in the right direction.

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Originally Posted by Sparthos

Uh in 2005 you couldn't soak damage like you can now, MNK tanking would not have been viable given the gear options and JA selection of the date and PDT and MDT options were not widely understood. Food options were also limited along with Refresh.

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My MNK tanks in 0 -PDT or -MDT from gear almost 100% of the time. It isn't needed, it is helpful but again it isn't and hasn't been needed. I'll give you sushi didn't exist back then but then again I always ate/eat meat(attack) on my MNK if I'm eating food.

Edit: I don't remember when they were introduced but I had Arhat's Gi and Arhat's Jinpachi (+1s were too pricey back then) for when shadows were down on NIN. As far as I know/remember they were in the game since I can remember but I can't be certain if that dates back to 2005.

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Originally Posted by Zagen

My MNK tanks in 0 -PDT or -MDT from gear almost 100% of the time. It isn't needed, it is helpful but again it isn't and hasn't been needed. I'll give you sushi didn't exist back then but then again I always ate/eat meat(attack) on my MNK if I'm eating food.

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And eating meat meant your hitrate would have garbage against anything outside EXP mobs.

MNK was awesome on bones in KRT but against the HNMs of the day, you'd have been taken to school. NIN was only tanking because of the tools accessed via /DRK, the most popular SJ of the day but still less desired than PLD simply because of how difficult it was to get anything done back then.

I'll give you this - MNK was sorely underrated in EXP parties in 2005.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

It seems to me like you're making a far bigger deal out of this...

You asked a quesiton. I gave an answer. Nothing more to it than that. It just seemed to me like you're telling people they shouldn't complain about job balance because we have more levels coming. To me, thats precisely the reason people should be speaking up about it- to make sure it goes in the right direction.

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Gosh, it seems to me that you like nitpicking and arguing with everyone. I really can't stand ostentatious opinionated pedantic and pretentious forum nazis such as yourself. Time for you to move out of mom's basement me thinks.

/endtroll >:D

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Originally Posted by Sparthos

And eating meat meant your hitrate would have garbage against anything outside EXP mobs.

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Dunno about you but HNM groups I was in/knew about rolled with BRDs back in the day and usually they sang march/madrigal before sushi.

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Originally Posted by Zagen

Dunno about you but HNM groups I was in/knew about rolled with BRDs back in the day and usually they sang march/madrigal before sushi.

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While it's possible your HNM group simply had better organization than my own, with period gear + meat + madrigal I still believe your hitrate wouldn't be sufficient enough to keep hate against HNMs.

Your attack also would not have been enough to overcome level correction which was different back in '05.

Asurans was a notoriously finicky WS and its wide variation on EXP mobs would become even more apparent on HNMs.

By all means I encourage someone to math it out though.

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Originally Posted by Sparthos

While it's possible your HNM group simply had better organization than my own, with period gear + meat + madrigal I still believe your hitrate wouldn't be sufficient enough to keep hate against HNMs.

Your attack also would not have been enough to overcome level correction which was different back in '05.

Asurans was a notoriously finicky WS and its wide variation on EXP mobs would become even more apparent on HNMs.

By all means I encourage someone to math it out though.

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MNKs were Chi-blasting NMs anyway, getting rotated out.

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Originally Posted by Tezz

MNKs were Chi-blasting NMs anyway, getting rotated out.

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Ah the good ol' days :)

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Gosh, it seems to me that you like nitpicking and arguing with everyone.

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No, I don't. It's not my fault if that's how you interpret it, but I don't "like" it, and don't want it to be seen that way. Those personal attacks are way over the top. I didn't say anything to insult you.

I don't disagree just for the sake of disagreeing. If you say something that I like or agree with, I would happily do so.

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Originally Posted by Yarly

This is the part where the entire FFXI community completely forgot that spirits are THE most essential part of a well played SMN. Thanks Mala for being the SMN advocate for the FFXI community! I think I see a hordecore junior!

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It is hard to judge something essential when it is in terrible condition. But one could pay attention to the fact that for 10 years Summoners have run around and cast cure III from /WHM while they had access to cure V from spirits. Ever see any WHMs run around as /RDM casting cure IIIs because they couldn't use their own spells?

It would be ridiculous to have to sub RDM to cure on WHM. It has always been ridiculous to need to sub WHM to cure on SMN.

Naturally though a light spirit shouldn't beat a WHM. But there are many stages between "better than WHM" and "So terrible you'd rather have a cure III".