A monster who hits you for 0 damage gains 0 TP for doing so. Getting rid of 100% pdt may kill your ability to solo on bst in aby more than you realize. Also, I think the slow effect from sea daughter might inhibit your pet's damage more than the regain would increase it.
I don't care that you take forever to kill something. I have to watch hordes of newbs do it everytime I go to abyssea. Makes no difference to me if it's a lone BST or 18 SAMs just zombie'ing. Heck, I honestly don't think there's all that much that you can solo on BST that I can't solo on THF (because I also dualbox a WHM). I'd probably even do it faster than you. I don't think your ability to solo is broken, because I do it myself in a very different way. I don't think you taking forever to kill something is broken, because anyone can take forever to kill something. I just think that infinite protection against physical damage is an oversight.Quote:
Noone really cares that we can -100%PDT what they are about is they either don't like that we can and they can't or that it takes us longer because we have to sacrafice alot of DD potential to do it.
100% PDT for PET is plain BS.
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05-13-2011, 09:02 PMYinnyth
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05-13-2011, 09:18 PMBehemuthxeroI had not considered the TP gain issue but mostly because what you say is right concerning how to solo. I would never use the 100% PDT to solo something lol. I have a pretty pimp BST and rarely take it into aby for this exact reason. Not that I give a crap about other people waiting, its that I don't want to waste just under 3 stones worth of time killing one mob without procs for a slight chance at some item.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yinnyth
The real answer to this entire issue is people waiting for a mob and not knowing how to say {team up?} Maybe the PDT set was SE's way of saying "get along or live with it" lol -
05-13-2011, 09:28 PMYinnyth
Hrm... I fear they may be fixing this sooner than they should have. http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...Version-Update
Hopefully some serious pet loving next major update to make up for the loss.Quote:
•Pet, Wyvern and Automaton may become invincible under certain circumstances.
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05-13-2011, 09:29 PMArconWrong. But you seem hard to convince otherwise, I can't prove that I don't hate BST, and unless I did I doubt you would believe it. If it helps: I'm a SMN, and I think the nerf we received was good. I don't want it because it would make BST soloing impossible (because it wouldn't and if you think you need 100% PDT reduction to be good, then you're not as good as you think you are), but because it's implausible. The other thread actually does offer a nice analogy, 100% Haste would break the game. Same with -100% damage taken, only in a more boring way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xilk
And you still think BST takes massive magical damage, which is wrong. They can get a huge magic damage reduction as well (far higher than any player, just not quite 100%), which also works on DoT spells and spikes. Of course they're not completely invincible on everything, but on some things they are. And there's quite a few. There's whole families of mobs who don't use magical attacks like Cactuars and Scorpions (Hedjedjet is a one-time exception). Then there's Tablilla, Awahondo, Koghatu, Blanga, Audumbla, Yaguarogui, and lots more who can be killed by simple engaging and going afk to make lunch or something, a guaranteed kill with zero risk. Something like that shouldn't be possible at all. With the right positioning, a good BST could even take on Alfard and similar NMs without ever taking a single point of damage.
Then there's plenty of NMs that only use some magic, which is still manageable, because of their high magical damage reduction. And there's some mobs who don't cast but only use magical TP moves. However, if you're getting hit for 0, the mob's TP gain will be significantly slower, so a lot less TP moves are gonna be used in the first place, not all of which are magical. Only a few mobs which spam spells like no tomorrow will pose a challenge (Teekesselchen, Empousa, and a handful of others). This includes god-tier NMs like Pantokrator, Rani and Shinryu (using god-tier as a relative term).
Hate reset is almost a non-issue, since the BST can take a few hits before they die, which is more than enough to get hate back for any pet. If anything, it sounds like you're exaggerating BST's survival deficiencies, which really aren't there. BST is one of the sturdiest jobs in the game right now, as is PUP. Also, you're exaggerating their offensive deficiencies, as a single BST pet is still an average damage dealer.
Also remember that, if the cap was reduced to, say, 80%, while you would actually have to put some effort into keeping your pet alive, you would have to put a lot less effort into obtaining the remaining 20% PDT. Which means, you can use that to take on another DD Atma, or keep the Atma and invest in more DD gear. Either way, I don't think it would go a lot slower, maybe even faster than it goes now, it would just be harder to pull it off.
One could argue to not submit to obsessive fanboys either.Quote:
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I want to perma-Like all of your posts. Is there an option for that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yinnyth
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05-13-2011, 10:47 PMHalycon
First everybody hates dnc and now everyone hates bst? lol.
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05-13-2011, 11:49 PMVolkai
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Originally Posted by Gildrein
There is no such thing as 'too soon' for fixing a glitch. Furthermore, there is no pet love required to 'make up for the loss' of the ability to abuse a glitch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yinnyth
Remember, abusing a glitch is something you can get banned for. When you encounter are glitch, you are supposed to report it, and avoid triggering it. You are NOT supposed to take advantage of it for personal (or group) gain. Let's not forget WHY the Salvage Bans happened. -
05-14-2011, 12:11 AMMalamasala
This is what I hate about SE. Oh dear, a bug that makes players happy? FIX. What did you say? A 10 year old bug that makes you unhappy? IGNORE.
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05-14-2011, 12:15 AMElexiaNope, but I'm sure players want it only for themselves. I've literally seen a bunny tank the living fu- out of every iron giant.Quote:
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05-14-2011, 01:15 AMGlobalVariableWas that bst DRUNK? I can't make it take that long if I tried.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leonlionheart
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05-14-2011, 01:45 AMFutan
I can see it now after next week's update in the patch notes:
If they're taking PDT away they should at least give them back Charm. Let them have something.Quote:
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