Petition: clickandbuy the only way no,thanks.

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Originally Posted by Niyariko

I know they are working on FFXI offline atm. :D

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That'd be cool, I wouldn't have to bother with all these stu- I mean lovely people.

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Originally Posted by Kojo

That'd be cool, I wouldn't have to bother with all these stu- I mean lovely people.

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Co-op ffxi ftw? Won't have to deal with people you don't like, yet still get to play with a few people :D.

/wishes....


...it won't happen :(.

Tried to obtain crysta and cannot figure it out other than to sign up for clickandbuy, which i do not want to use. Might bother trying to figure out another method after my account gets shut down.

Cancelled my Content ID's for good today, because I refuse to take part in this Click and Buy shady as shit business.
No, I'm not going to go to a convenient store to buy a card for Crysta, that's the kinda shit you do for Farmville or some other retarded ass games. Not a MMO. And don't try to justify it by saying that MMO's like Maple Story/Wizard 101/Dragonica/Aeria do the same thing. Those games suck, and they can't even come close to FFXI.

Fact of the matter is, I see 90+ pages of replies from a largely pissed off playerbase, and still, zero fucks given by SE. That's grounds enough for me to say my final farewell to the game I played for 7 years now; because clearly their minds are made up. It was a good run, and though I didn't finish all the things I wanted to finish before quitting, I still got a lot done.

See you in November for Star Wars: TOR.

You never know, after september or october come around and they see how much money they aren't making from everyone who didn't transfer because of the shitty payment options, they might decide to add direct payments back. Until they do I know my accounts aren't being transfered.

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Originally Posted by Neika

You never know, after september or october come around and they see how much money they aren't making from everyone who didn't transfer because of the shitty payment options, they might decide to add direct payments back. Until they do I know my accounts aren't being transfered.

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But if you waited, you won't get the Rousney Wand.

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Originally Posted by Neika

You never know, after september or october come around and they see how much money they aren't making from everyone who didn't transfer because of the shitty payment options, they might decide to add direct payments back.

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Having to wait till then just shows SE is disconnected from it's fan base, and poor business sense as many others have pointed out.

This is a problem that needs to be fixed BEFORE SEP and OCT or next year even. Especially since SE's profits will go down and there goes FFXIV. I , and several others in my shells, bet it's FFXI's profits paying for FFXIV right now as it's still FREE TO PLAY.

So SE has a real choice here. Lose fans, costumers, and possibly one of their MMO's. Or... Give better payment options and not lose anything.

The Ball is in your court now SE.

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Originally Posted by Muse

This is a problem that needs to be fixed BEFORE SEP and OCT or next year even. Especially since SE's profits will go down and there goes FFXIV. I , and several others in my shells, bet it's FFXI's profits paying for FFXIV right now as it's still FREE TO PLAY.

So SE has a real choice here. Lose fans, costumers, and possibly one of their MMO's. Or... Give better payment options and not lose anything.

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I don't see SE waiting till after the end of this month to fix this issue. By then it's too late. They would prevent loss of customers in the first place, rather than fixing it after they've lost customers. I'd say to an extent, they already are losing people here and there.

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Originally Posted by Kaeoni

{Thanks for the offer but i'll have to pass}

Dear SE: Stick to the Offline Business. You Obviously have no idea what you're doing.

Diablo 3 where art thou release date?

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Really they have no idea hat they doing thier either. Final fantasy off line gaqmes have been going down in a giant ball of fire. Have you even played. They don't make good games any more they trade only on the fans inner fanboy and bank only on the name alone to move units.

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Originally Posted by Panthera

I'd say to an extent, they already are losing people here and there.

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I agree. SE is losing costumers and doing what they're doing is only going to cause their downfall even faster. Maybe that's what they want.

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Originally Posted by LadyRagefist

...I see 90+ pages of replies from a largely pissed off playerbase, and still, zero fucks given by SE. That's grounds enough for me to say my final farewell to the game I played for 7 years now...

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You shouldn't say something like that, in a thread like this. SE will soon delete this thread (has happened before on similar topic on this forum, they don't like what they hear, they make an excuse and delete it :p), and just pretend our concern never happened. SE wouldn't want to see us in encouraging other users to cancel account coz of their fail decision in forcing us to switch to CnB ;)

What SE done in switching to CnB might save them a couple bucks (or even cents) for each account, but also comes with an extreme high risk in loosing a lot of current and future customers. Making such big risk with so little in return is a reckless business strategy.

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But if you waited, you won't get the Rousney Wand.

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They will need to give us 2 relics and 2 mystics + 50% off on monthly payment for us to use CnB :D
By then, I still won't use CnB, but consider in switching to use Crysta :p

Rousney Wand, I'll really miss teleporting to Chocobofu*kingCircuit. /sarcasm :(

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I agree. SE is losing costumers and doing what they're doing is only going to cause their downfall even faster. Maybe that's what they want.

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Square-Enix's Response in the form of an "Amazing" picture: http://classic-icon.com/spiderman/1%20(5).jpg

I'm pretty laid back when it comes to how they picture FFxi in the grand scheme of things with their Manifesto nonsense and the rest of the crap they dream up because i have a lot of friends who play this game and just deal with the constant curve balls they toss our way.

But this crosses over into inconveniencing our lives outside the game. I'm not nickle and diming here, It's just a line that was crossed. Unless Crysta comes out to exact increments for you, chances are you're more likely to use Click n Buy. Yea... how about a company that doesn't screw you over, Oh wait we subscribe monthly to one already. If you didn't clue in, I'm talking about 3 certain mini expansions that came out before Abyssea. I'm sad i got played on that one. You got me SE, you got me, lesson learned though. */slow clap*

Don't get me wrong i'm not totally dissatisfied with Square-Enix as a company or how they handle their online agenda. If i were i wouldn't have played for as long as i have. But it just seems like some cheap tricks have been used in recent years against the very people whom put you, Square-Enix, on the map.. We aren't stupid, why do you treat us like we are.

I hate to play the Blizzard card but, they would never do such a thing to their customers, they have always been an upfront and prompt bunch of people who work diligently trying to please their loyal fans.

You bite the hand that literally feeds you, so i ask you this, who's the fool now...

Go to their holdings site's news archives and read their last several financial reports....looks like we may be SOL on these issues:
http://www.square-enix.com/eng/news/2011/

SE has been bleeding money for some time now, loosing it steadily for the 2011 calender year (if not longer). They finally closed the last contract with EIDOS acquisition, and are looking to expand influence in NA, EU, and Middle East, and are putting more trust in Digital Distributions and less on Packaged Products. They are more or less writing off expectations of recovering losses until 2013.

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Go to their holdings site's news archives and read their last several financial reports....looks like we may be SOL on these issues:
http://www.square-enix.com/eng/news/2011/

SE has been bleeding money for some time now, loosing it steadily for the 2011 calender year (if not longer). They finally closed the last contract with EIDOS acquisition, and are looking to expand influence in NA, EU, and Middle East, and are putting more trust in Digital Distributions and less on Packaged Products. They are more or less writing off expectations of recovering losses until 2013.

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Won't they just be losing more in going through with these plans?

Well, actually I think their explanation for that is pretty viable and the report itself doesn't indicate anything is really wrong with the company. They had no major releases, so they compare poorly with the previous year. Big deal.

I just browsed this thread from page 30 or so and all I see are pretty much the same 10 people complaining about this new system.

I don't think that SE will do anything because 10 people do not signify a majority. Or a playerbase. Or anything but people who just like to complain.

So, if those 10 people are truly going to leave, that isn't going to hurt SE any at all. Nice knowing you.

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Originally Posted by Kojo

Won't they just be losing more in going through with these plans?

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http://www.square-enix.com/eng/ir/li...13/page05.html
(Yoichi Wada, President and Representative Director)

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In general, we are not expecting to see a big recovery of results in this fiscal year ending March 2012, but rather are rebuilding in the current year toward our target of record profits in fiscal year ending March 2013. We plan to continue stable shareholder returns of 30 yen per share as cumulative dividends for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2011.

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They're kinda saying in these reports that they are revamping just about everything and don't really care too much about the bottom line between now and 03/2012. They are more focused on expected profits for fiscal year ending 03/2013 and beyond.


http://www.square-enix.com/eng/ir/li...13/page10.html

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I don't think that SE will do anything because 10 people do not signify a majority. Or a playerbase. Or anything but people who just like to complain.

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You may want to count again, yes certain folks are more vocal and I'm glad for it. But what I see is lots of non forum types (as seen by their low post count) coming to this forum and posting there dismay with the system. Also the almost 80 "likes" on the OP and the 1 or 2 random new threads created every other day say something too. Not to mention what is going OTHER less moderated sites. There has been plenty of nuked threads on the same subject.

With all the talk of job changes and other things this thread still tops them in the almost 73,000 views it has.

Seems like a lot more than 10 to me.

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You may want to count again, yes certain folks are more vocal and I'm glad for it. But what I see is lots of non forum types (as seen by their low post count) coming to this forum and posting there dismay with the system. Also the almost 80 "likes" on the OP and the 1 or 2 random new threads created every other day say something too. Not to mention what is going OTHER less moderated sites. There has been plenty of nuked threads on the same subject.

With all the talk of job changes and other things this thread still tops them in the almost 73,000 views it has.

Seems like a lot more than 10 to me.

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How many people are truly going to quit from this? How many people really have a problem as to people who just like to complain for complaining's sake?

Also, 73k views? This thread has drama and that is what people like. I'm surprised you never realized that to be honest. The same 10 people are bumping up this thread to keep the drama flowing.

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How many people are truly going to quit from this? How many people really have a problem as to people who just like to complain for complaining's sake?

Also, 73k views? This thread has drama and that is what people like. I'm surprised you never realized that to be honest. The same 10 people are bumping up this thread to keep the drama flowing.

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You and Rosina are two of the only ones that are aruging for the sake of arguing, to try to create drama. Why are you against having the system changed for the better?

Well, I know of 5 accounts that already haven't/won't been renewed because of this situation. A 6th player was toying with coming back after her long break (almost 2 years), but after hearing about this change it convinced her to not come back. So, essentially my posts acount for at least 6 confirmed account losses, 5 of those with at least 1 mule.

Other's have posted they knew people that got kicked out with the last billing that aren't planning to renew if they don't change this either. There are still people with active accounts who still don't know exactly what is going on either. So there will likely be a bigger back lash once this thing is fully implemented and accounts are cut off. Some may be left with little to no options for payment (as we've seen with some who currently can't use C&B, nor Crysta).

It's a fairly simple thing to fix if SE would just pony up and do it. Implement the direct-pay via CC option for the NA/EU players just like they have done for the JP users, and let it run in parallel to the new methods. The motivation should be simple enough: potential to not only maintain their current subscription levels, but possibly increase them as well as they'd be providing a method of payment for those previously unable to pay with a 3DS enabled account.

Alukat, Finuve, Puck, Runespider, Karbuncle, Seha, Kraggy, Paksenarrion, mistmonster, Olor, Aurara, Romanova, Dreaubaut, Vivik, Dragoy, Inafking, Arcalimo, Alhanelem, Malamasala, Neonii, Panthera, Zakuto, Zoner, Orson, Dooom, Raksha, Byrth, Maacha, Firesped, Orlind, Octavaine, Niyariko, drwaffles, ceown, Rearden, Coldbrand, Illen, Ramsos, Zatias, Laphine, Mightyg, Muse, slakyak, Khiinroye, InfamousDS, Unleashhell, shigen, MAXWINTER, Muras, Leonlionheart, Dauntless, Insaniac, Tiberius, Vazerus, Charismatic, Komori, Zumi, Tacotaru, Dijana, Selamis, laos278, Joslyn, Swords, Puck, Ardiem, Andreja, kewitt, Meyi, Ziyyogo-Tipyigo, Chriscoffey, Artoriousrex, Atomic_Skull, Gotterdammerung, Babygyrl, Cylla, Sekundes, Unaisis, Eeek, Wagram, Kitkat, Manque, Pharaun, Hercule

Well, that was up to post 240 (out of 942), with people expressing support of the new system removed. See a lot of unfamiliar names? That's because they registered on the forums just to post in this thread.

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Alukat, Finuve, Puck, Runespider, Karbuncle, Seha, Kraggy, Paksenarrion, mistmonster, Olor, Aurara, Romanova, Dreaubaut, Vivik, Dragoy, Inafking, Arcalimo, Alhanelem, Malamasala, Neonii, Panthera, Zakuto, Zoner, Orson, Dooom, Raksha, Byrth, Maacha, Firesped, Orlind, Octavaine, Niyariko, drwaffles, ceown, Rearden, Coldbrand, Illen, Ramsos, Zatias, Laphine, Mightyg, Muse, slakyak, Khiinroye, InfamousDS, Unleashhell, shigen, MAXWINTER, Muras, Leonlionheart, Dauntless, Insaniac, Tiberius, Vazerus, Charismatic, Komori, Zumi, Tacotaru, Dijana, Selamis, laos278, Joslyn, Swords, Puck, Ardiem, Andreja, kewitt, Meyi, Ziyyogo-Tipyigo, Chriscoffey, Artoriousrex, Atomic_Skull, Gotterdammerung, Babygyrl, Cylla, Sekundes, Unaisis, Eeek, Wagram, Kitkat, Manque, Pharaun, Hercule

Well, that was up to post 240 (out of 942), with people expressing support of the new system removed. See a lot of unfamiliar names? That's because they registered on the forums just to post in this thread.

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I count about 83 people, give or take.

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Originally Posted by Byrth

Alukat, Finuve, Puck, Runespider, Karbuncle, Seha, Kraggy, Paksenarrion, mistmonster, Olor, Aurara, Romanova, Dreaubaut, Vivik, Dragoy, Inafking, Arcalimo, Alhanelem, Malamasala, Neonii, Panthera, Zakuto, Zoner, Orson, Dooom, Raksha, Byrth, Maacha, Firesped, Orlind, Octavaine, Niyariko, drwaffles, ceown, Rearden, Coldbrand, Illen, Ramsos, Zatias, Laphine, Mightyg, Muse, slakyak, Khiinroye, InfamousDS, Unleashhell, shigen, MAXWINTER, Muras, Leonlionheart, Dauntless, Insaniac, Tiberius, Vazerus, Charismatic, Komori, Zumi, Tacotaru, Dijana, Selamis, laos278, Joslyn, Swords, Puck, Ardiem, Andreja, kewitt, Meyi, Ziyyogo-Tipyigo, Chriscoffey, Artoriousrex, Atomic_Skull, Gotterdammerung, Babygyrl, Cylla, Sekundes, Unaisis, Eeek, Wagram, Kitkat, Manque, Pharaun, Hercule

Well, that was up to post 240 (out of 942), with people expressing support of the new system removed. See a lot of unfamiliar names? That's because they registered on the forums just to post in this thread.

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Noticed your name on the list, so I guess I'll see you next month. Seriously.

I didn't say everyone was quitting, I said they were displeased with the new system. Feel free to declare victory next month when no one complains about the new system anymore though. (Protip: You can't post without an active account)

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How many people are truly going to quit from this? How many people really have a problem as to people who just like to complain for complaining's sake?

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How many people are posting just to get a reaction out of people, aka trolling? I count at least one. Goodness, even Rosina gave up after awhile.

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Originally Posted by Korpg

Also, 73k views? This thread has drama and that is what people like. I'm surprised you never realized that to be honest. The same 10 people are bumping up this thread to keep the drama flowing.

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And you yourself aren't keeping the drama flowing?

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Noticed your name on the list, so I guess I'll see you next month. Seriously.

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Korpg thinks I'm bluffing. I'm sorting my inventory right now trying to find all the $#%*s I give.

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I didn't say everyone was quitting, I said they were displeased with the new system. Feel free to declare victory next month when no one complains about the new system anymore though. (Protip: You can't post without an active account)

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I'm sorry, I thought that list was all the people who were quiting, which is what I was talking about. I don't see anyone is going to really quit over this, because if they were going to quit, they would have done so already before the month changed to August.

Yet....they are all still here....hmmm....

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How many people are posting just to get a reaction out of people, aka trolling? I count at least one. Goodness, even Rosina gave up after awhile.

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In this thread? I count at least 10. Before I even came back to this thread.

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I guess so, but bumping this thread to show people how much they are causing their own problems is a necessary evil I guess.

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Korpg thinks I'm bluffing. I'm sorting my inventory right now trying to find all the $#%*s I give.

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If you were going to quit, you would have quit on July 28th when this whole thing came to light, not still here on August 11th "sorting your inventory." The quitters already quit, the people who are complaining still are those who complain for the sake of complaining.

I think people are making a bigger deal out of this then it is. There seems to be a few vocal people that complain about this a lot but I logged on FFXI several times this month did a /sea all I didn't really see a drop in players at all. The numbers seem to be about the same pre transfer. Just what I expected most people who played for 8 years aren't going to be driven away by a payment method change. They like their FFXI so much they won't want to give up playing their chars they worked on for a long time.

Yes click and buy sucks they charge more fees. However you can just load up 6 months worth of Crysta and not have to worry about it for a long time. That's about the same amount of money you spend going to a higher end restaurant. Just don't go out to eat one day pay for FFXI for 6 months.

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Originally Posted by Korpg

I guess so, but bumping this thread to show people how much they are causing their own problems is a necessary evil I guess.

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I didn't realize that trying to a company to improve their payment system was causing me a problem. Thanks, you're a lifesaver.

I'll say it again. Why are you against having the system changed for the better?

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I didn't realize that trying to a company to improve their payment system was causing me a problem. Thanks, you're a lifesaver.

I'll say it again. Why are you against having the system changed for the better?

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When the change is worse off than the old system, then I would see why people would complain. So far, the change is not worse, it just is a minor inconvenience.

I'm remembering PSN. Not that Click and Buy is really any safer, but then again, nothing is really safe, is it?

I'm just tired of all the crying over spilled milk. Crying over nothing. Crying because you didn't get your way.

I'm sorry that you have to change your account info one time, but enough is enough. You are not going to get your way, and the sooner this thread falls off the radar, the better.

That is the end of what I have to say, because continuing will be counterproductive now.

Yes I have essentially quit, basically since the announcement I stopped doing anything productive. When SE stops taking my good credit card then I will no longer have access. I will be "sorting my inventory" here soon as I do have things and pops that should go to other people. Kind of the same with netflix. I'm abusing their service right now before I kick them out the door or upping their costs. But I'm less mad at netflix, they are not making me jump through hoops to OVER pay them.

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Originally Posted by Korpg

If you were going to quit, you would have quit on July 28th when this whole thing came to light, not still here on August 11th "sorting your inventory." The quitters already quit, the people who are complaining still are those who complain for the sake of complaining.

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No, SE mentioned they'd improve the payment options, so anything could happen. I'm playing the "wait and see" game like so many others are. I'm betting they'll come out with something within the next 7 days, although they might pull out the stops at the last minute, who knows? If they don't fix it, my account will take care of itself, and I won't be clicking "view this post" out of morbid curiosity. You'd think I'd learn.

And you don't know me. You don't know what I will do or would have done and why. And I don't know you, so you really could be this @$#(*@, or you're merely trolling. I really do hope you're just trolling for your own sake.

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Originally Posted by Korpg

When the change is worse off than the old system, then I would see why people would complain. So far, the change is not worse, it just is a minor inconvenience.

I'm remembering PSN. Not that Click and Buy is really any safer, but then again, nothing is really safe, is it?

I'm just tired of all the crying over spilled milk. Crying over nothing. Crying because you didn't get your way.

I'm sorry that you have to change your account info one time, but enough is enough. You are not going to get your way, and the sooner this thread falls off the radar, the better.

That is the end of what I have to say, because continuing will be counterproductive now.

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Good now G**O of here!

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I'm sorry, I thought that list was all the people who were quiting, which is what I was talking about. I don't see anyone is going to really quit over this, because if they were going to quit, they would have done so already before the month changed to August.

Yet....they are all still here....hmmm....

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Originally Posted by Korpg

If you were going to quit, you would have quit on July 28th when this whole thing came to light, not still here on August 11th "sorting your inventory."

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Wrong, as usual. They weren't quitting because they could still play without having to change or do a god damn thing. And they would sort their inventory to leave stuff for friends who may not quit. Wrong also in so many other regards, like people bluffing or only the same people complaining, all of it.

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I think people are making a bigger deal out of this then it is. There seems to be a few vocal people that complain about this a lot but I logged on FFXI several times this month did a /sea all I didn't really see a drop in players at all. The numbers seem to be about the same pre transfer.

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What transfer? The transfer didn't happen yet for most of the community. See above.

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When the change is worse off than the old system, then I would see why people would complain. So far, the change is not worse, it just is a minor inconvenience.

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Wrong, again, what a shock. In addition to a 30% price increase for me (even without any additional fees) I have to go through great lengths to overpay even more with Crysta, and I have to overpay manually, every month, because ClickandBuy doesn't even accept my credit cards. And you still don't seem to be able to get it into your little head that some people cannot, physically, choose either option. There are entire countries that cannot play after this. This is not a matter of bluffing, it's not a matter of opinion. It's a matter of you're wrong. You already admitted you're trolling, so just go away and let people rightfully bitch at the most inane business decision SE has made in a very long time, possibly ever, considering FFXI is their cash cow. At some point you stop being a troll and start being a child. You've crossed that point miles ago. Time to stop and turn around, or just give it up.

Yeah, this was a pretty boneheaded decision. I will not be using Click and Buy. There is 100% no reason to outsource this. FFXI is a SE product not a CB product.

OH! And, you can bet your bottom dollar when there are issues the finger pointing will be kicked in high gear. Not renewing my account come the end of August. We'll see how things go and whether or not I will do the Crysta thing through ultimatepay. Which I highly doubt because these point systems are a total rip off. Always have been and always will be.

But, hey, if it all works for you then God Bless and go forward.

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When the change is worse off than the old system, then I would see why people would complain. So far, the change is not worse, it just is a minor inconvenience.

I'm remembering PSN. Not that Click and Buy is really any safer, but then again, nothing is really safe, is it?

I'm just tired of all the crying over spilled milk. Crying over nothing. Crying because you didn't get your way.

I'm sorry that you have to change your account info one time, but enough is enough. You are not going to get your way, and the sooner this thread falls off the radar, the better.

That is the end of what I have to say, because continuing will be counterproductive now.

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You have never experienced what some of us are going thru, when you see an Origin Error message from setting up your SEAM/CnB account, come back, we will be here to listen to your concern as well. I do really wish the Origin Error is a one time message, but for me, is popping up every time.

But until then...

It's now August 10'th, SE account management system says I was supposed to be billed on the 1'st, but I still haven't been charged. I tried contacting SE support but they just keep sending me an email about how to reactivate an overdue account. I guess SE wants to let me play for free.