Nyzul Isle Uncharted information and feedback

yet another event that SE's random number generator has destroyed. When will they learn that players want an event that takes skill, not luck, to complete.

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Originally Posted by Staren

First small fixes seems to be the best we're going to get so it only seems smart to start thinking of ones that SE might actually think are small enough to help and not strong enough to hurt.

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Did you not do Dynamis back at 75 before the update? I know I ran a dyna group for 2-3 years and I know that alot of people looked at D.Chap as having that drop rate. Dyna also required a pretty specific setup and I'm comparing this to old dyna as your dd's/healers were pretty much interchangable whereas with abyssea where jobs were set to a solid setup of 4. No one was clamoring for old dyna to be completely abolished back then (which oddly enough it ended up being completely redone which only shows SE's odd sense of things not that I'm complaining). Back at 75 doing 5 floors in nyzul without a proper setup and good group was a ridiculous chore and there were weekends where 1 of your 4 runs didnt get you to the floor you needed or you went 4/4 on no drops. I dont know how long you've been playing but this is not new. Telling them to completely redo this is more stupid (with their track record) than proposing small changes to make it better.

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The problem with the new Nyzul compaed to old content is not the RNG per se but the total dependence on it. Older content had a sense of progression. You'd do 4 runs of Nyzul and most of the time you were closer to getting your runic disc to 100. You'd do Dynamis and in most shells you gained points that got you closer to lotting that Duelist Chapeau. Same with Sky and Sea and other HNM shells. Einherjar got you closer to Odin's chamber and gave you ichor. Limbus got you closer to Proto-Ultima and Omega and gave you ABC's.

This new Nyzul is a total crap shoot and likely impossible for the more casual groups to get anywhere near level 60 on a routine basis. Sure you get a bit of alexandrite but for most people thats just fodder for bazaaring since so few are working on Mythics.

Hello, guys Im Japanese Final　FantasyXI　player.

I was very disappointed at neo nyzul isle.
The development team has said that they renew other contents, for exaple Limbus, Einherjar and more.
Do you expect other contents renewal?

I think　I am not expectable.
For me, at least it was disappointed about neo nyzul isle.

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Originally Posted by Corydor

by the way did someone say that you only jump 2 to 9 floors on a ???, i did it with a pickup party the other day and we jump from floor 25 to 43, we had just missed floor 20 and was upset we were aiming for floor 40 and completely over shot in one jump we were all in shock since it jumped near enough 18 floors >.>

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You would be the 1st reported case of someone jumping more then 9 floor at one setting. Maybe this is possible and is where the LUCK factor come into play.

SE, LUCK should not be a factor to determining whether we can even reach the 100th Floor at all. Especially given that floor bosses so far are not 100% on drop [that and given what Camate has stated, I'm going to assume that 100th Floor Boss isn't 100% drop either].

Most of us aren't asking for a hand-it-to-me easy mode of Nysul Isle, but what we want is a REALISTIC way to reach Floor 100th on a somewhat consistent basis not this lottery like way to determine whether you can even face the 100th Floor Boss.

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Originally Posted by YJM5150

Hello, guys Im Japanese Final　FantasyXI　player.

I was very disappointed at neo nyzul isle.
The development team has said that they renew other contents, for exaple Limbus, Einherjar and more.
Do you expect other contents renewal?

I think　I am not expectable.
For me, at least it was disappointed about neo nyzul isle.

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Quite a few people are dissapointed. I've had hard time convincing my friends to even try it out after they've heard how SE has set it up. We gave it a shot and not planning on going back any soon. Odds are sooo against us there in every way. Lousy token reward, lousy alexandrite count, lousy rewards from floor other than 100 and few of 80. It's not like any of us need 1000 tokens, 2 alex per person or 90% of the new town gear from it.
It's just past midnight JP time, on my server there are 12 people in Nyzul Isle zone right now, two of them SCH. Some keep trying desperately.
If Ffxiah.com set an achievement for hitting F100, that'd me more incentive to push for it than anything SE has put in this event so far, I'd say.

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Originally Posted by Sesh

maybe we our only hope for the next 10 years is Bethesda turning Skyrim into a MMO. Or buying out SE and replacing the dev team XD.

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Perhaps your hope, but I, for one, can't see the latter even remotely a good idea. ^^;

As for their own MMO, that wouldn't affect me the slightest methinks, so yeah...


As for the topic, I don't think there's much more to say, that has not been said already.

Random != Challenge
Time-sink != Fun
Random + Time-sink != Balance

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Originally Posted by Corydor

by the way did someone say that you only jump 2 to 9 floors on a ???, i did it with a pickup party the other day and we jump from floor 25 to 43, we had just missed floor 20 and was upset we were aiming for floor 40 and completely over shot in one jump we were all in shock since it jumped near enough 18 floors >.>

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POIDH. Period.

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Originally Posted by Kristal

I think it would be better to increase the chance of free floors, instead of extra time. It's an existing mechanism in Nyzul, and does essentially the same.

Ofcourse, there are other gimmicks they could employ. Small gimmicks you can't build a tactic on, but work in your favor if they do. For example, bring a BLU and if the fight involves soulflayers, they would occasionally get staggered. Bring a PUP, and the maton will occasionally sync with the lamps on a lamp floor when the master touches a lamp, unlocking the next floor, etc.

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I'll pass. Unless you want them to include 20 different random nyzul gimmicks, either way it's just a bad idea. It's blatantly obvious that you just want to give "lulz" jobs a reason to show up to nyzul, despite the fact that BLU and PUP are some of the best Nyzul Isle DDs in the game. Job-specific procs are bad and you should feel bad for suggesting them.

Ｔｈａｎｋ ｙｏｕ for your reply.
We Japanese players are the same feeling with you.

I haven't logged in in 2 weeks. I am exactly as close to getting a floor 100 drop as everyone else in this thread. Great game design.

Its only 30 minutes a day you know...how long do alot of these actually well geared skilled players play per day? 4-5 hours lol?.... I dont think they will change this anytime soon. And dont say "it shouldnt be luck based" lol. If every event rewarded you on skill...almost everyone would have the gear just by how long we play each day and the effort we put in. They have to slow us down somehow.