Mog Wardrobe 3&4 feedback.

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Originally Posted by Deirdre

I love how the 'sub fee is only to let you access the game!' argument only appeared in XI when XIV's cash shop appeared. I've read forums a long time, going back to allakazam, and that's not how XI's sub worked. You pay them, you have access to anything in game.

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Actually, for as long as sub based MMOs have been around your sub fee only grants you access to the game and if they choose to add (optional services/cash shop) it's well within the right to and it's not covered by your sub fee because it's an additional charge. Back when SE announced the first 3 mini-add ons people cried that they should get it for free because they paid a sub and they're not actually buying a physical expansion pack. I'm not sure how long you've played, but people were complaining they should have gotten Chains of Promathia free because unlike the Japanese, they got Rise of the Zilart for free, so they thought every expansion was free because it's a P2P MMO.

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Lets hope that's not prophetic.

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That would never happen in a game like this. XIV? Sure, that sounds like something they'd do, but that's a bit of an exaggeration even by F2P standards. The furthest you can go is PSO2 where you can't trade with players or use the player shop feature unless you are Premium but therein lies a completely different format known as "Freemium."

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Like many, many people, I have 22 lvl99 jobs, all in varied states of gearing, some jobs require 80-90 pieces of gear cycling around while others much less.

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That's actually in the minority. A lot of people have 99 jobs because leveling is nothing these days, but only play 2-4 of them at best, let alone to the fullest and to the point you have all of your gearsets for it to maximize it. It's HIGHLY unlikely you have players with 22 fully geared out jobs because no amount of mog wardrobes will be enough at that point lol. That's why I was saying stuff like this is completely optional for the majority of the playerbase, just like having multiple mules is an optional thing unless, well, you want to do certain things efficiently, e.g crafting back in the day or using for storage prior to all these changes.

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Originally Posted by Diavolo

I've seen you make this argument before. We don't need more jobs in order to rationalize the extra space afforded by Mog Wadrobes 3 and 4, 22 is already more than enough to fill those up and then some. There is more to gearing a job than just having a single TP set and WS set.

Likewise, I never like bringing the argument of need vs want into these discussions because we technically don't need a lot of the items and features we have. Does that make them less valuable? Not at all. You don't need Wardrobes 3 and 4 the same way you don't need an Idris GEO to kill end game content, but it sure does make life easier. Yes, we can all survive just fine without those wardrobes the same way we all survive without REM weapons, but let's not kid ourselves, almost everyone wants them, so again, why do they need to be locked behind a paywall? I have all 22 jobs at 99 and I struggle with space, but I'd sooner spend that $4 on a homeless person than let SE think charging me for this is an acceptable practice.

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There are lots of things in the game that aren't needed but that's not the argument.

The argument was that if you have 4 chairs and one ass, you don't need to throw a tantrum if another chair is put in the room that you aren't allowed to sit on. Now you could put all those 5 chairs together and make a fort, you could play bouncy and jump from chair to chair but you don't need that 5th chair because you already have more than enough chairs.

If space was really restrictive then I think everyone would of taken issue with it, or if it could store items instead of pure equip maybe but we have so much space that this is a really stupid thing to argue about.

Also you can pay $2 and put all your cosmetic items in it if you want, you don't have to ever pay again and still use it for cosmetic lock sets.

I really don't think there are very many people at all that have use for this, sure lots of people have lots of 99 jobs but due to the stupid nature of job points people don't use anything but their best jobs most of the time. That's rarely more than 2.

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Originally Posted by Castanica

The argument was that if you have 4 chairs and one ass <snip>

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lol, maybe we should stop with the analogies. This just has me thinking about how obese people are made to pay for two seats when booking a flight.

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Originally Posted by Castanica

If space was really restrictive then I think everyone would of taken issue with it, or if it could store items instead of pure equip maybe but we have so much space that this is a really stupid thing to argue about.

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Considering how quickly FFXIAH's thread jumped to 19 pages and was shut down, and how much attention the issue has received here on the official forums, which are usually far more quiet, I think it's safe to say it's something a lot of people feel strongly about. You don't have to be a hardcore player with countless gear sets for each job to appreciate the convenience these wardrobes bring with them. It's not something everyone needs, but it's something everyone wants and attaching a recurring fee to it came as a shock to the system for many.

Safe to say those exhibiting reservations about paying for two extra wardrobes probably won't be playing FFXI Mobile for long, if at all, when it finally arrives.

I Love it!
Its great! Now all my gear is always available! and I can sort weapons into one, main piece armor in one, accessories in one and special event items in another.
as for the 2$ + 2$ for them... Totally worth it as its across ALL my characters. With the total cost on monthly subscription still under 20$ for me.
Now if SE starts adding LOTS of these addons.... These prices may be a bit high as you could easily end up with add on costs being More than the base price.
That said...I'd Love Mog Safe 3 & 4....

I stated it before, but it's not the $2/month that I'm upset about. I can easily afford it, its the principle of the matter. If it starts with paying just for more space(paying for mules is space + other benefits, ie bayld farming, crafting, quests etc) what's to stop it from having to pay for spells. I could see se doing this for Massacre elegy for brd. It starts FFXI down a slippery slope which to the extreme we'd have to pay for use of MP.

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Originally Posted by VoiceMemo

I stated it before, but it's not the $2/month that I'm upset about. I can easily afford it, its the principle of the matter. If it starts with paying just for more space(paying for mules is space + other benefits, ie bayld farming, crafting, quests etc) what's to stop it from having to pay for spells. I could see se doing this for Massacre elegy for brd. It starts FFXI down a slippery slope which to the extreme we'd have to pay for use of MP.

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You are kind of getting a little hysterical here, all you have to do is look at FFXIV. That shows the extreme they might be willing to goto and it does not offer anything like what you mention there. Also, just to point out that almost no f2p mmorpg does that either.

Developers have standards too, they sometimes have to push them to make sure a title is profitable but I can guarantee you they will close this game down before they goto the extreme you just mentioned. Even if it's f2p.

We have no reason to believe that just because FFXIV is a certain way, that's the only things that might be merged into XI, afterall, I'm sure they believe they can afford to be far riskier in XI's case for obvious reasons.

We had no reason to believe they would ever pull something like rented inventory space in XI before this announcement.

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Originally Posted by Selindrile

We have no reason to believe that just because FFXIV is a certain way, that's the only things that might be merged into XI, afterall, I'm sure they believe they can afford to be far riskier in XI's case for obvious reasons.

We had no reason to believe they would ever pull something like rented inventory space in XI before this announcement.

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You greatly exaggerate their care meter in relation to this game, also the point remains that almost no mmorpg on the market does anything like that level of cash shop sellables.

You mean ones like:

Black Desert Online : "Costume" buyables that have set bonuses that affect exp/combat, not obtainable ingame.

Perfect World : Socketing to improve your weapons/armor, which is the only way you can adds sockets.

Runes of Magic : Consumable items to improve your weapon/armor, these are purchasable ingame, but the price is exorbitant.

Rift : Gear upgrades again cost RL money.

I'm sure there are tons more, that was only a few minutes of research.

Many games have Patron status which offers combat bonuses, but that isn't usually found in a subscription-based model, but neither is rental inventory space in a subscription-based game, all that I can think of are single-purchases for inventory space in other games...

I'm not gonna go out of my way to research it but I'll bet if I did you can buy those upgrades via ingame currency from other players and/or they are very minor anyway, at least in terms of rift and bdo.

I haven't seen a serious mmorpg with the things you mention that had no other way to get them. Also as stated ffxiv had rentable inventory space long before ffxi and they give you far less free space. FFXIV is also considering story skip potions and level to 60 stuff.