Avesta Bangles

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Originally Posted by rog

It is especially funny because avesta just copied strategies that were used since the time the first rdm reached level 9. Avesta was not the first, nor the best. He was simply the first to record all of his solos, and gain recognition.

I came up with exactly the same strategies avesta used on my own at level 50, back in 2004, without ever seeing a single rdm/nin before that, let alone any real soloing done. The difference between me and avesta at the time was that he was level 75 with all the best gear, and i was a casual at level 50, who ended up putting rdm off for 3 years. We were using exactly the same strategies to do exactly the same things, just on different mobs.

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i hate to say this because usely rogs' posts make me wanna stab a puppy in the face but.... he has a good point this time. i new RDM's that did things like that back before avesta was big.

now if you excuse me i have to go bath in terpintime to wash this bad feeling off from agreeing with rog

Did rog solo his duelist chapeau yet ?

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

Did rog solo his duelist chapeau yet ?

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Not. In fact, i passed 3 of them yesterday, because i don't really care about +5 enfeeb skill (already have wivre hairpin, and laurel wreath).

You should go solo it then, and then come here explaining how you are killing the NM better and faster. The first person that solved order 2 polynomial equations was a genius. Just because everyone and they sisters can compute b^2-4ac in less than 10 seconds doesn't mean the other guys was bad. The whole point of soloing is to be the first one ; past that it's not worth mentionning.

Because the first time soloing a particular nm is any different than soloing 100 other nms using exactly the same strategy? There are no such thing as original solos. Every single one uses one of 3 different strategies:

1) kite, nuke, dot, etc. Can either use bind/grav/pinning to stay away from the mob, or simply running around something that slows the mob down, or even just using +move speed to gain distance.
2) straight fight. generally relies on utsu, etc to stay alive, can either melee, or fight exactly as above, without the running (when kiting is impossible, such as cactrot rapido).
3) zombie: bring lots of rr, and bio2.

That is it. All solos use a variation of one of those three basic strategies. The only difference between big bomb and suzaku is that suzaku hits a bit harder, uses chainspell, and requires better gear. Otherwise it is exactly the same fight.

being the first really does not matter at all, because really, no one is first. All solos rely on strategies that are as older than the game itself, and applying a 20 year old strategy to a new mob is not new.

Your analogy is flawed because the strategies are so old, and obvious, and have been independently thought up probably 10s of thousands of times. Coming up with "ohey, i can outrun this monster, and attack it at a distance, but it can only attack me if it is right next to me, so i can just keep running, and using ranged attacks to solo it" is not impressive. It was not impressive the first time someone came up with the idea, and it was not impressive the next hundred thousand times someone came up with it.

I would say that the execution of a strategy is ALL that matters. Spending 20 minutes running running away from a monster in super mario shooting fire balls at it is not impressive, but if you cut that down to 10 seconds, it just might be.

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Originally Posted by rog

There are no such thing as original solos. Every single one uses one of 3 different strategies:

1) kite, nuke, dot, etc. Can either use bind/grav/pinning to stay away from the mob, or simply running around something that slows the mob down, or even just using +move speed to gain distance.
2) straight fight. generally relies on utsu, etc to stay alive, can either melee, or fight exactly as above, without the running (when kiting is impossible, such as cactrot rapido).
3) zombie: bring lots of rr, and bio2.

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That's being said, in my opinion, the time Avesta solo'ed those NM, there were thousands more people were doing, except they did not make a video of it with the nice and cute jp pol.

So if today SE is telling me they make an item and name after him/her, what's going on? Is that mean the rest soloist copied him???

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Originally Posted by rog

He isn't that great, i can solo despot, and everything else he has in 1/3 the time he takes.

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While moving 1/3 faster too.

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Originally Posted by Sama

So if today SE is telling me they make an item and name after him/her, what's going on? Is that mean the rest soloist copied him???

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The Bangles are named after the same thing Avesta's character is named after. The thread's OP is definitely misleading.

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Originally Posted by rog

Because the first time soloing a particular nm is any different than soloing 100 other nms using exactly the same strategy with speed hacks?

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ftfy


Avesta may not be the "most amazing" rdm soloer, but again he showed a lot of rdms who didn't know any better what was up. Rog is just a sore loser people don't look to him instead.

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Originally Posted by Romanova

Rog is just a sore loser people don't look to him instead.

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It is ok, plenty of people already do.

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While moving 1/3 faster too.

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I would never speed hack because obviously i am not some dirty cheater, but hypothetically, if i did, i would certainly turn them off while soloing. There is no point in it if i am just going to cheat. But again, i would never use them in the first place, so the point is mute.

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Originally Posted by rog

But again, i would never use them in the first place, so the point is mute.

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Originally Posted by rog

so the point is mute.

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Originally Posted by rog

point is mute.

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Originally Posted by rog

mute.

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You're my favorite, Rog.

This topic becomes super hilarious if you know Avesta was banned for teh hax.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

You're my favorite, Rog.

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trollface.jpg

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Originally Posted by Vold

Also consider what the chances are that SE even knows or cares who Avesta is.

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While you have a point about the religious ties of the name, if you think about the history behind the Taisaijin NM and why it drops Refresh, it's hard to believe that SE doesn't know about him. Given their history of tying in other "real world stuffs" they likely gave him a nod by tailoring the item towards the two jobs he's best known for.

As for the rest of the conversation, next item to come out will be named for Kanican...

Ya, i am sure they will name an item after a banned player.

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Originally Posted by rog

so the point is mute.

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The word you're looking for is "moot."

My job here is done. Now, I go.

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Originally Posted by RabidSquirrel

The word you're looking for is "moot."

My job here is done. Now, I go.

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That was not the word i was looking for.

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Originally Posted by Vold

Also consider what the chances are that SE even knows or cares who Avesta is.

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Pretty high, actually. The community team, which listens to most FFXI-related podcasts (and has been guests on them in the past as well) is quite likely to be paying attention to FFXI-related YouTube videos that have high view counts.

Like Avesta's soloing videos.

This is also the community team which reads the bluegartr forums that are not, as far as I can tell, officially recognized by SE, so I'm sure they've read the threads in various forums that ARE officially recognized regarding Avesta's soloing.



Of course, the only people that know for certain if this item was named after Avesta or not are the dev and localization teams... I'd like it if we could get some official word on if these are named after Avesta or if it's a coincidence.

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Originally Posted by Daremo

This topic becomes super hilarious if you know Avesta was banned for teh hax.

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Did a quick search and people were saying that's a banned account.

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Originally Posted by rog

That was not the word i was looking for.

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Oh no?

http://www.bing.com/search?q=mute+po...42&form=ZGACDF

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/moot

Trolling is a art.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

Trolling is a art.

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It is the little things that count.

Especially when i came right out and said i was trolling, and people still do not realize it.

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Originally Posted by rog

It is the little things that count.

Especially when i came right out and said i was trolling, and people still do not realize it.

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Irregardless, I could care less.

Strangely enough I've become completely inured to both of those. Now had you said, "For all intensive purposes..."

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Originally Posted by Aliekber

Irregardless, I could care less.

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Irregardless

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If that word actually existed, I'm certain it would have the exact opposite meaning than it is used for.