PLEASE Tell me "Grounds of Valor" is what I think it is!! (FFXI Gyms of Vana'diel??)

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Originally Posted by Retsujo

My thoughts were that it was going to be just like FoV, but for dungeon areas.

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But couldn't this just be apart of "Field of Valor"? Dungeons are fields too right? o.o "Grounds of Valor" makes me think of the term, "Training Grounds" y'know... like a location made for Training... like a GYM! j/k /laugh ^^

But yeah, I'm hoping towards it meaning "Training Grounds" of Valor vs "Dungeons" of Valor.

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Originally Posted by JovialRat

or hmm maybe they can open a new department at SE for this , and you can be the head cheese there :D
sorry i have some odd thoughts lol

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/Accepts the Job lol :D I see nothing "odd" about this o.O; hint, hint SE :)

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Originally Posted by kingfury

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But couldn't this just be apart of "Field of Valor"? Dungeons are fields too right? o.o "Grounds of Valor" makes me think of the term, "Training Grounds" y'know... like a location made for Training... like a GYM! j/k /laugh ^^

But yeah, I'm hoping towards it meaning "Training Grounds" of Valor vs "Dungeons" of Valor.

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Maybe they'll open that FREAKIN PLAYER ARENA in Whitegate. lol

Something very terrible must have happened in that Whitegate arena... like y'know, mass Tarutaru death curse or something o.o; OoooooooOOO!! @.@ /run away!

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Originally Posted by kingfury

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But couldn't this just be apart of "Field of Valor"? Dungeons are fields too right? o.o "Grounds of Valor" makes me think of the term, "Training Grounds" y'know... like a location made for Training... like a GYM! j/k /laugh ^^

But yeah, I'm hoping towards it meaning "Training Grounds" of Valor vs "Dungeons" of Valor.

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Voidwatch looks like Voidwalker NMs in dungeons, this sounds like the same thing. You're adding Training to the front of it just because Training Grounds makes sense, but if it was Training Grounds that's what they'd call it. Fields to Grounds is pretty solid reasoning, there is absolutely no reason for them to put Valor on the end of it if it isn't related. If this is your idea, I'd complain both at the name causing confusion and the fact that they've obviously rushed it.

I would have to be honest and say that I wouldn't complain in the slightest if they put in the concept lol ^^ It would be the 1st part (the introduction) to the concept, so they would have time to build onto it so I'm sure it would flow nicely.

Ughh, I have a feeling that I'm not going to get any word from the Reps though, since the Dev Team may want to just surprise us like they did with Abyssea and the AF3 sets /sulk lol. We'll see though ^^

*whispers* I know they're reading this stuff for sure, but they may be under a "Gag Order" or something like that @-@. Use morris code so I know you Reps are okay! /laugh

guess it is not gyms of vana'diel
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...7433#post67433

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Originally Posted by Rambus

guess it is not gyms of vana'diel
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...7433#post67433

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No, no, that's Voidwatch, ^^ I think Grounds of Valor is something different.

Don't count it out yet ></

i balme the drugs, opps ><

still needs more pictures XD

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

Maybe they'll open that FREAKIN PLAYER ARENA in Whitegate. lol

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that would be the worst idea in history...at the moment FFXI is boarding in being a replica of WoW as it stands...throw in a BG in there and you might as well call it"FFXI:WoW Edition"

I'm not so sure. You know

The more and more i think about it, The more and more I enjoy the idea of an "Arena". However i think it would be neat if it Either

A) Pits you against a random PC based on Level Range (I.E, You can sign up for 50 cap, 75, 80, 90, etc), Theres the "Thrill" of not knowing your opponent, Adapting to face him, Winning or losing, It would be fun to face an element of surprise added to PVP.

B) Pits you against a random NPC, Something like an AI of a Specific job/Race randomly generated for the fight.

So in a way, It wouldn't be all PVP (Cause lets face it its bound to be empty some times...), But i think it would be fun. It would be kinda like doing the Maat Fight (except not horribly one sided as Maat fight is for some jobs...), Except you face a random opponent. It'll test your skill, Or get you curb-stomped.

There could be Arena/PVP Specific Rewards for it too. I mean, Like items that only work in PVP/Ballista. Adds a reason for hard-core Ballista players to get into it.

Could even add 2v2 Battles, or 3v3 team battles. Could even add a "Gil" or "Imperial Standing" or "Imperial Currency" (Gold Coins/etc) Reward for winning. Hold Mini-Tournaments every Vana-Week too.


Hell I'm not a big fan of PVP, but even that sounds like it would be a little fun. Getting you and a 1-2 Friends to participate in a PVP Tournament. Even if you don't like PVP... it sounds fun, no?

I think 2v2 and 3v3 fights would be really fun. To the people whining "omg no it'll be like wow": Even if that was true, which I don't think it is, so what? No one would be forcing you to do it, and I doubt the rewards from such fights would be game-breaking must-haves.

Yep, "the FFXI Gyms of Vana'diel" concept had those things and more Karbuncle ^^/

-Player vs NPCs via the Instructor Programs
-Player vs Player, 2v2, 3v3 all via the PvP Gymnasium Games
-Area specific rewards via the Gym Medals and temp items obtained in different regimes

Still no word if Grounds of Valor is my proposed concept or not though ><;

alliance vs alliance, [yes f-ing please]

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Originally Posted by Mirage

alliance vs alliance, [yes f-ing please]

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Could you imagine the shear magnitude of such a battle? o.o;

I would be surprised if they were going with your idea if someone from S/E hasn't contacted you. Also, for this to be in the May update would be unusual since something of that magnitude would be rather difficult to develop in that short of time. Most of the new stuff added has been in the pipeline for awhile. From the name, I'm guessing some kind of reworking of Fields of Valor.

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Originally Posted by Randwolf

I would be surprised if they were going with your idea if someone from S/E hasn't contacted you. Also, for this to be in the May update would be unusual since something of that magnitude would be rather difficult to develop in that short of time. Most of the new stuff added has been in the pipeline for awhile. From the name, I'm guessing some kind of reworking of Fields of Valor.

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Yeah, I know ><; but just hoping that it's maybe the very base structure wouldn't be too unrealistic right? /kingfury readies puppy dog eyes

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Kingfury, don't take it bad, but there's a big difference between believing in your projects and daydreaming. It seems to me that your feet are nowhere near the earth. This, -I think and I'm pretty sure of it- cannot be your idea in any way:
- It's an update that was scheduled before the quake happened and thus already tested probably since months. SE doesn't just make up things on the spot, they prepare them way before they release them.
- Grounds of VALOR, exactly like fields of VALOR. It's going to be fov for dungeons, or AU/past, or something related to it anyway, or it would have had a different name.

That being said, you got a positive feedback from a mod. Ok. Be proud that your idea was actually viewed from someone at the dev team. Fine. I'm not saying you should stop hoping, but god knows if you're flying too high. It's good to dream, but it's bad to let the dream feed you more and more. Maybe it will happen, good for you in that case. But maybe not.
I'm sorry if I sound harsh, I don't have anything against you, but I just think that you really need a "slap" and wake up a bit.

lol No /slap necessary, I'm fully aware that it would be ultra rare for SE to do anything as fast as this would be ^^ I just wanted to see if I could get a hint as to what it might be /sigh

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Originally Posted by Seha

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Kingfury, don't take it bad, but there's a big difference between believing in your projects and daydreaming. It seems to me that your feet are nowhere near the earth. This, -I think and I'm pretty sure of it- cannot be your idea in any way:
- It's an update that was scheduled before the quake happened and thus already tested probably since months. SE doesn't just make up things on the spot, they prepare them way before they release them.
- Grounds of VALOR, exactly like fields of VALOR. It's going to be fov for dungeons, or AU/past, or something related to it anyway, or it would have had a different name.

That being said, you got a positive feedback from a mod. Ok. Be proud that your idea was actually viewed from someone at the dev team. Fine. I'm not saying you should stop hoping, but god knows if you're flying too high. It's good to dream, but it's bad to let the dream feed you more and more. Maybe it will happen, good for you in that case. But maybe not.
I'm sorry if I sound harsh, I don't have anything against you, but I just think that you really need a "slap" and wake up a bit.

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I have to apologize as well, but this ^.

If there's one reason the Community Team hesitates to provide feedback to all of the suggestion threads here, it's outcomes like this; especially considering how many people are talking about how they ought to offer you a job. User feedback is fine. Suggestions from users are fine. Heck, being excited because there was positive feedback to a suggestion you made is fine. But no company wants to be in a position where they feel pressured to hire someone or implement their ideas because they submitted a good suggestion once. It can only end badly.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

I have to apologize as well, but this ^.

If there's one reason the Community Team hesitates to provide feedback to all of the suggestion threads here, it's outcomes like this; especially considering how many people are talking about how they ought to offer you a job. User feedback is fine. Suggestions from users is fine. Heck, being excited because there was positive feedback to a suggestion you made is fine. But no company wants to be in a position where they feel pressured to hire someone or implement their ideas because they submitted a good suggestion once. It can only end badly.

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^This

There is also a justified fear of you possibly suing for using your idea. It is now well documented in this forum that it is your idea. It's the same reason a lot of musicians don't want to listen to other people pitching them a song. Again, why I'm seriously doubting it would be the gyms idea. If they did decide to use it, I'm guessing someone from their legal department would contact you. Even if you said they could have it for free, they most likely would want to pay you at least a dollar and have you sign a contract. That way if you ever came back later and tried to sue, they would have the contract and the check you accepted for your idea. It's a litigious world.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

I have to apologize as well, but this ^.

If there's one reason the Community Team hesitates to provide feedback to all of the suggestion threads here, it's outcomes like this; especially considering how many people are talking about how they ought to offer you a job. User feedback is fine. Suggestions from users are fine. Heck, being excited because there was positive feedback to a suggestion you made is fine. But no company wants to be in a position where they feel pressured to hire someone or implement their ideas because they submitted a good suggestion once. It can only end badly.

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lol it was a ploy to get a hint about what the new Valor is guys ><; I'm a bit more mentally centered than that /stagger

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Originally Posted by Randwolf

^This

There is also a justified fear of you possibly suing for using your idea. It is now well documented in this forum that it is your idea. It's the same reason a lot of musicians don't want to listen to other people pitching them a song. Again, why I'm seriously doubting it would be the gyms idea. If they did decide to use it, I'm guessing someone from their legal department would contact you. Even if you said they could have it for free, they most likely would want to pay you at least a dollar and have you sign a contract. That way if you ever came back later and tried to sue, they would have the contract and the check you accepted for your idea. It's a litigious world.

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I would love that dollar like my own child, and call it Greeny-Boy ^^ it's mother would be SquareEnix lol

j/k but yeah, I'd be happy to do just that to get the concept going.

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Originally Posted by Mrbeansman

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Ahhh boy, always a wet noodle in the bunch /sigh
Not once have I said anything to even hint at being anything but an avid fan of FFXI and my proposals are based on that alone. It always amazes me how such things like this can be spawned from such light-hearted fun topics. Go be mad in the corner somewhere.

They used the idea of grips from an old idea I tossed out on ffxiclopedia (except I used the idea of Weapon Tassels not Weapon Grips) They will change the name around and probably make it their own--if it is your idea--either way you should just be proud they are using the idea. We all will know that it was yours and honestly that would be enough for me. ^^d

really? this idea? I dont think it is this, and if they even added something like you idea..... I would be disappointed.

I mean hell people already dont level normally in the old zones anymore..... at least take your time and skill up in them.

a game that was nothing but Gym > Abyssea > Gym > Abyssea would be boring as hell.

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Originally Posted by OMEGA_HACK

They used the idea of grips from an old idea I tossed out on ffxiclopedia (except I used the idea of Weapon Tassels not Weapon Grips) They will change the name around and probably make it their own--if it is your idea--either way you should just be proud they are using the idea. We all will know that it was yours and honestly that would be enough for me. ^^d

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It would be enough for me as well. I don't care about the recognition part so much as I would just want the fun of the enjoying the system, but I know realistically it would be completely out of SE's character to implement a concept so quickly without massive testing and such... But I'd of course welcome such a rare change in character if it meant seeing the functionality lol

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Originally Posted by Kailea_Nagisa

really? this idea? I dont think it is this, and if they even added something like you idea..... I would be disappointed.
I mean hell people already dont level normally in the old zones anymore..... at least take your time and skill up in them.
a game that was nothing but Gym > Abyssea > Gym > Abyssea would be boring as hell.

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If you read through my proposal fully, you would see that skill-ups were really a side note concept next to a system that would actually have the potential (if done properly) to help "Train" players how to properly do their jobs in both solo and party situations. On top of that, it would add fun and efficiency to the process of skilling up, which is something you can't find skilling up currently due to the blatant monotony and "time-sink" nature of it all. I've said it before in a thread of mine, that neither capped skills nor being the highest lvl instantly make you a better/more competent player in this game, so the fears of either skills or exp coming quickly will degrade the game are misplaced.
Time, testing, trial and error, and experience playing the game are the only things that will create a seasoned and competent player, so unless the Dev Team creates an "Auto Player" functionality that plays the game for you as you sit back and watch, you have nothing to fear.

Abyssea was a solution to an old mistake made by the Dev Team. "How come players can't enjoy our game content when they log on? They're main focus 90% of the time when they log on is trying to find ways to effectively EXP and skill up combat/magic skills, rather than participate in the months and months of content we just spent time/money creating. Hmmmm...", and along came Abyssea.

Nothing about my concept would support anything of the "boring" sort ^^ go check it out in detail.

nah its not about your idea kingfury i would love to see that SE can produce something like your suggestion so quickly as you posted your suggestion on 3/15/2011 and the dev team noticed your post on 3/17/2011 and created voidwalkers in response and fully tested it and such in like 20days but its not possible in that time frame. we wont see it in this comming update but i bet we will see your idea made into reality in the next version update after this one. at least i hope so it was a pretty good suggestion and we have needed something like this for a while now.

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Originally Posted by Valaris

nah its not about your idea kingfury i would love to see that SE can produce something like your suggestion so quickly as you posted your suggestion on 3/15/2011 and the dev team noticed your post on 3/17/2011 and created voidwalkers in response and fully tested it and such in like 20days but its not possible in that time frame. we wont see it in this comming update but i bet we will see your idea made into reality in the next version update after this one. at least i hope so it was a pretty good suggestion and we have needed something like this for a while now.

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Yep, I realize this ^^ I was just hoping against hope that I could get a sliver of a hint to what the new addition was. Thanks for the support of the concept /salute

your welcome :D

Awww man >< Dungeons and such lol Ah well, more time to work on other stuff ^^; I am curious about what "Items" that are obtainable are though.

Grounds of Valor

Yup. Pretty much seems like FoV, but in dungeons.

/Surprised in a pleasant way!! o.O

Well after carefully trying and testing out the new Grounds of Valor, it seems that the Devs found a way to include a variation of what the Gyms of Vana'diel concept was requesting in terms of "enhancing skill ups" in a creative and subtle way after all! ^^ Case in point: (Copied from the new Grounds of Valor wiki page)

-"Prowesses Newly introduced with grounds of valor are a variable "Mini Atma" called "Prowess". Accumulating Prowess can bestow a myriad of beneficial effects. These effects can be "Built Upon" by receiving another point in said prowess upon finishing a training regime. Prowesses will not be lost upon connection lost or Log out, but will immediately be lost upon zoning."
One of the many types of Prowesses available just so happens to be:
*Increased combat and magic skill gain.- Increases Combat and magic skill up frequency by x.

I'm a happy player thanks to you Devs. My hat goes off to you all for listening and caring about our concerns for bettering FFXI. /kneel + /salute Like I said in my Gyms thread post, I didn't care if it was a new zone or not, so long as the functionality made it to the game. It's not a "Gym", but the functionality made it to the game all the same ^^. I'm sure with future updates this new Prowesses functionality will be beefed up even more to provide even better enhancements. An additional /bow goes to the shear SPEED of implementation while exceeding my expectations! Bravo ^^ /

Again, Thank you Devs. /wave

Um.... it needs to be pointed out to you that there's no possible way they could have implemented ANY of your ideas even if they started work on it the nanosecond that you posted. Please stop going on about how "awesome" your ego thinks you are and desist in attempting to take credit for things that logically the devs had to have ALREADY been working on months before your gym nonsense was even a glimmer in your eye.

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Originally Posted by Khajit

Um.... it needs to be pointed out to you that there's no possible way they could have implemented ANY of your ideas even if they started work on it the nanosecond that you posted. Please stop going on about how "awesome" your ego thinks you are and desist in attempting to take credit for things that logically the devs had to have ALREADY been working on months before your gym nonsense was even a glimmer in your eye.

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Hey now, that's not the way to speak to an SE developer.

Grats King! I'll have to try this out. Unfortunately, pup 83-90, and then NPC 70-85 are my current priorities. Wonder if the prowess extends to my auto tho'? With Ranged and melee skills both at least 100 below frame's level cap god knows I could use the help!

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Originally Posted by Khajit

Um.... it needs to be pointed out to you that there's no possible way they could have implemented ANY of your ideas even if they started work on it the nanosecond that you posted. Please stop going on about how "awesome" your ego thinks you are and desist in attempting to take credit for things that logically the devs had to have ALREADY been working on months before your gym nonsense was even a glimmer in your eye.

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you would be surprised how quickly they could work on implementing something that was posted here. I honestly think this was in direct response to king's post, but the thought process was more like:
1. can't add new area, too much work
2. we need to expand the FoV system due to levels being past regimes.
3. increased XP rate is making skill gap even worse, despite increased rates
4. incorporate the skill up concern into the expanded FoV concept
5. existing areas are underused, jobs are stronger against certain enemies, expand choice of XP area to accommodate solo/low-man leveling due to lack of lower level parties.

the fact that they didn't use his exact mechanism to implement the underlying concern that his proposal was designed to address does not mean that this change is not in response to his posting and his proposed training regimes but simply that they chose a different mechanism. Many people weren't happy with the job emote and NPC fellow changes being incorporated into the Magian system, but the developers actually did state that it was easier to graft it on to the existing trial system and a new system was unrealistic at this time. It did not mean that the NPC upgrades were not in direct response to the concerns raised on this forum about how NPCs were renderred obsolete by the level cap increase.

King's post was probably the largest, most enthusiastically embraced-and thus developed-thread on the forum by the entire playerbase that chose to respond. The underlying concern has actually seen implementation in game in a way that is at least related to some of the post development discussed in the thread. I find it hard not to see at least some correlation there...

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Originally Posted by Glamdring

you would be surprised how quickly they could work on implementing something that was posted here. I honestly think this was in direct response to king's post, but the thought process was more like:
1. can't add new area, too much work
2. we need to expand the FoV system due to levels being past regimes.
3. increased XP rate is making skill gap even worse, despite increased rates
4. incorporate the skill up concern into the expanded FoV concept
5. existing areas are underused, jobs are stronger against certain enemies, expand choice of XP area to accommodate solo/low-man leveling due to lack of lower level parties.

the fact that they didn't use his exact mechanism to implement the underlying concern that his proposal was designed to address does not mean that this change is not in response to his posting and his proposed training regimes but simply that they chose a different mechanism. Many people weren't happy with the job emote and NPC fellow changes being incorporated into the Magian system, but the developers actually did state that it was easier to graft it on to the existing trial system and a new system was unrealistic at this time. It did not mean that the NPC upgrades were not in direct response to the concerns raised on this forum about how NPCs were renderred obsolete by the level cap increase.

King's post was probably the largest, most enthusiastically embraced-and thus developed-thread on the forum by the entire playerbase that chose to respond. The underlying concern has actually seen implementation in game in a way that is at least related to some of the post development discussed in the thread. I find it hard not to see at least some correlation there...

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As much as I like that there's a chance of our ideas getting put out into the game, I doubt that it was because of King's thread that it went up. I like the concept he came up with, don't get me wrong, and I could see some use in its implementation. I know the guy in-game and we get on pretty well. However, what proof do you have that it is because of his thread that they thought up Grounds of Valor? For all we know, they had planned an expansion of FoV originally, and that they were building on it while we got used to FoV. It could very well be from a player idea, I don't deny that. It's possible, you never know unless they come out and say where the idea came from.

Don't get me wrong King, you're a good guy as far as we've talked and I love your enthusiasm for the game. I just feel that, as a friendly note, I advise you not to place too much in hope in thinking that it was just because of your ideas. Embrace the possibility and be happy that you may have contributed, but don't go overboard and assume that it's a certainty. It just makes you seem a tad over-egotistical, m'friend, and I know it's not the image you're trying to portray.

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Originally Posted by Glamdring

you would be surprised how quickly they could work on implementing something that was posted here. I honestly think this was in direct response to king's post, but the thought process was more like:
1. can't add new area, too much work
2. we need to expand the FoV system due to levels being past regimes.
3. increased XP rate is making skill gap even worse, despite increased rates
4. incorporate the skill up concern into the expanded FoV concept
5. existing areas are underused, jobs are stronger against certain enemies, expand choice of XP area to accommodate solo/low-man leveling due to lack of lower level parties.

the fact that they didn't use his exact mechanism to implement the underlying concern that his proposal was designed to address does not mean that this change is not in response to his posting and his proposed training regimes but simply that they chose a different mechanism. Many people weren't happy with the job emote and NPC fellow changes being incorporated into the Magian system, but the developers actually did state that it was easier to graft it on to the existing trial system and a new system was unrealistic at this time. It did not mean that the NPC upgrades were not in direct response to the concerns raised on this forum about how NPCs were renderred obsolete by the level cap increase.

King's post was probably the largest, most enthusiastically embraced-and thus developed-thread on the forum by the entire playerbase that chose to respond. The underlying concern has actually seen implementation in game in a way that is at least related to some of the post development discussed in the thread. I find it hard not to see at least some correlation there...

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Our apple is not his orange stop trying to compare them.