Minor issue: Rajas/Sattva/Tamas Rings

ToAU rings are an easy fix. Make the "Assault:" latent stats active all the time and increase the stats two points everywhere. Also, make the Regen 3 HP/tick. Ulth is suddenly competitive with Rajas. Balrahn's is what Tamas always dreamed it could be. Jalzahn's is Bellona's Ring ON ROIDS.

I agree that the effects on the WotG earring should have been stronger (4 attack? lol.), but I think some of your suggestions are a little too strong. It is still one of the best WS, TP, or idle earring for most jobs, after all. I think this list would have been more suitable:
Line 1: 10 Attack, 5 Acc, 10 RAtk, 5 RAcc, 7 MAtk, 7 MAcc, 50 HP, 50 MP
Line 2: Regain, Refresh, Damage Bonus based on TP (I would just change this one), TP Bonus +25, Maximizes MAcc +5%
Remove the latent crap, bump the Line 1 stats up a little while maintaining balance with other options. I'd personally eliminate Damage Bonus based on TP, because all signs point to "Worthless" for it.


Anyway, it has now been about 7 months since Camate said they were addressing this issue with Rajas/Sattva/Tamas rings and there has been no evidence of progress. I keep checking after updates and hoping they accidentally left it out of the notes, but no dice. Come on guys, I can't imagine that it's *that* difficult to do.

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Originally Posted by Byrth

Come on guys, I can't imagine that it's *that* difficult to do.

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90% of suggested fixes/updates wouldn't be that difficult to do. The problem is their priorities.. and tbh, I can understand it right now, because they're still working towards the 99 cap and wanna get as much new content out as they can. I just hope that once they're done adjusting to Lv99, they'll take some time to go through the things people are suggesting, and especially the things they already confirmed (like the "too far away" fix, which they also announced over half a year ago). So, with any luck they should get working on this stuff next spring. I can't see what other excuses they'd have by then.

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Originally Posted by Arcon

90% of suggested fixes/updates wouldn't be that difficult to do. The problem is their priorities.. and tbh, I can understand it right now, because they're still working towards the 99 cap and wanna get as much new content out as they can. I just hope that once they're done adjusting to Lv99, they'll take some time to go through the things people are suggesting, and especially the things they already confirmed (like the "too far away" fix, which they also announced over half a year ago). So, with any luck they should get working on this stuff next spring. I can't see what other excuses they'd have by then.

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I don't know, "old old" SE was absolutely horrible about fixing things. Would take them years to get around to making something better. Then you had the "new" SE of abyssea that fixed and made the game awesome, but now you have the "new new" SE that seems to be acting like the previous "old old" SE. Until I see something that demonstrated their not like that, I'm assuming all fixes are two years away and will be implemented in a half-ass method.

Yeah, I think the ToAU rings need a boost more than the CoP rings. Like Byrth said, changing the latent effects into always-active effects would more or less completely fix them. Maybe they become better than CoP rings, but so what? ToAU is a more recent expansion than CoP, it only makes sense that the mission rewards are better.

As for Moonshade earring, the real problem there is that the first group of augments are annoyingly weak, and that the second group of augments aren't really options. The difference in usefulness between some of the group 2 augments is so great that we're not really talking about a choice, but an "are you retarded or not" test.

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Originally Posted by Mirage

Yeah, I think the ToAU rings need a boost more than the CoP rings. Like Byrth said, changing the latent effects into always-active effects would more or less completely fix them. Maybe they become better than CoP rings, but so what? ToAU is a more recent expansion than CoP, it only makes sense that the mission rewards are better.

As for Moonshade earring, the real problem there is that the first group of augments are annoyingly weak, and that the second group of augments aren't really options. The difference in usefulness between some of the group 2 augments is so great that we're not really talking about a choice, but an "are you retarded or not" test.

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I totally agree with your statment. CoP Upgrade is long over due, and to take away the latent from ToAU Rings is a something I can look forward to. Maybe even an addtional augment per ToaU Ring.

i.e Ulthalam's Ring wears can choose to have Haste 1% or Stp 4.

Whatever the Team quest is I'll be up for it. As much as I enjoy the god-mode of Abyssea I am starting to miss Whitegate and the adventures that came with her. True enough gamers can present thier own solutions to this post or counter arguments, but this is only a pipe dream I wish SE is willing to consider.

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Originally Posted by Camate

We spoke to the development team about the possibility of scaling the stats on the Chains of Promathia reward rings to match the new level cap. They let us know that they’re already looking into this, and are carefully investigating it so that balance can be maintained between the CoP prizes and other rings.

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If anything, the Devs need to buff every other ring in the game to bring it in line with the godly power of the Rajas.

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Originally Posted by Glacont

I totally agree with your statment. CoP Upgrade is long over due, and to take away the latent from ToAU Rings is a something I can look forward to. Maybe even an addtional augment per ToaU Ring.

i.e Ulthalam's Ring wears can choose to have Haste 1% or Stp 4.

Whatever the Team quest is I'll be up for it. As much as I enjoy the god-mode of Abyssea I am starting to miss Whitegate and the adventures that came with her. True enough gamers can present thier own solutions to this post or counter arguments, but this is only a pipe dream I wish SE is willing to consider.

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As far as ToAU rings go I could see a quest where you get nominated to become a Serpent General, do some mission type quests assisting the Generals to get them on your good side for nomination, then when done, get the updated ring as a reward, or trade in current ring for any of the upgraded rewards. You get a new title and somehow tie in your new status during a Besieged fight and that would be awesome. Like giving you a minute or 2 to address the troops before a Besieged and if you're conscious at the end doing the enemy retreat statement.

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Originally Posted by Teraniku

As far as ToAU rings go I could see a quest where you get nominated to become a Serpent General, do some mission type quests assisting the Generals to get them on your good side for nomination, then when done, get the updated ring as a reward, or trade in current ring for any of the upgraded rewards. You get a new title and somehow tie in your new status during a Besieged fight and that would be awesome. Like giving you a minute or 2 to address the troops before a Besieged and if you're conscious at the end doing the enemy retreat statement.

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lol Ok that's Nice. I Approve. :)

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Originally Posted by Camate

We spoke to the development team about the possibility of scaling the stats on the Chains of Promathia reward rings to match the new level cap. They let us know that they’re already looking into this, and are carefully investigating it so that balance can be maintained between the CoP prizes and other rings.

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well it's been what 9 months or so, and in the next update is the start of the rebirth of ToaU content. think we can get more info on this, and maybe something about the ToaU rings too.

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Originally Posted by Camate

We spoke to the development team about the possibility of scaling the stats on the Chains of Promathia reward rings to match the new level cap. They let us know that they’re already looking into this, and are carefully investigating it so that balance can be maintained between the CoP prizes and other rings.

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Well, 50 weeks later there has still been no progress. Could you possibly tell them to investigate faster?

Hey everyone :) Sorry for the delay on an update.

While I can't offer any more concrete information, the development team is still looking into this. Please understand that it is not decided whether or not this will happen for sure, but they are working on it.

I lol'd ^^

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Originally Posted by Camate

While I can't offer any more concrete information, the development team is still looking into this. Please understand that it is not decided whether or not this will happen for sure, but they are working on it.

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I'm glad it's still on table.

I must say, though, the Development Bros have mulled over improving three imaginary rings for many times longer than some folks have spent working up the nerve to decapitate themselves with chainsaws and devising a way to do so.

Yeah, the saw cuts into the work and all, but still...

well, it could balance out goldsmith's torques.









































Who am I kidding; an update on them would really give people more incentive to use those rings again.

Easy fix Camate.

Remember this guy? http://images.wikia.com/ffxi/images/...le_(Green).png

He doesn't do much.

Give him accessory trials.

Divine Might earrings
Apocalypse Nigh earrings
CoP rings
ToAU rings
Moonshade rings
Jailer Torques
etc
Instead of kill NM X times or trade in X amount of items like Weapon/Armor trials, make them more interesting. Complete X amount of assaults, Complete X amount of Campaign Ops(some most people have never touched) for example.

Bryth is right, if the issue is you don't want CoP rings to over-shadow the other Expansion Pack rewards... then make them ALL scale up. They really should have already.

OK, that took me about .3 seconds to conceptualize and I don't do this for a living. What, are you guys operating on the "infinite number of monkeys will eventually write Shakespeare" platform? Then start withholding their food, giving back only as an incentive to reward production. Come on, there are several completely viable, non-balance affecting solutions in this thread alone, and this is NOT the only thread.

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Originally Posted by Glamdring

Bryth is right, if the issue is you don't want CoP rings to over-shadow the other Expansion Pack rewards... then make them ALL scale up. They really should have already.

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Agreed.

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OK, that took me about .3 seconds to conceptualize and I don't do this for a living. What, are you guys operating on the "infinite number of monkeys will eventually write Shakespeare" platform? Then start withholding their food, giving back only as an incentive to reward production. Come on, there are several completely viable, non-balance affecting solutions in this thread alone, and this is NOT the only thread.

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They seem to be overly hesitant with anything that empowers the players. Though in this case it might be out of fear that no one will pay 200K+ for Aqua Rings or whatever in the AH if Rajas/Tamas/Sattva were able to scale to +6. Might be they care for crafters, whereas I really don't, though. >.>

Make trials like divine might x 5. And you don't have to scale the current stats, just add something.

What balance are they talking about or thinking about... those rings are not instantly given to you, you kinda have to go through those looooooooooong missions and quests to get one. It's not like you can just plop down some gils and buy them at AH. This will give incentives to the pink brigades to actually DO something else other than crowding abyssea, you know, like there are a whole other content that comes with the game they just bought and not just 9 reworked zones.

The ToAU rings were crap back at the 75 cap. If the dev team is going to adjust the CoP rings for 99 (I hope), it would be nice if they'd also adjust the ToAU rings for 99. Even dropping the assault/salvage requirement to activate the latent would probably make them at least semi useful. But whatever. It's not like I did ToAU for the ring anyway.

When all said and done...COP rings are great for level 75 but why would you want to keep armor that are out of date? Why not make a new reward based on the old idea but give it a 75-99 range.

While you're at it a few things are missing from the rings.. Tamas and sattva are gimp in comparison to ragas and i'm not the only one who thinks this. The tamas could've use something like conserve MP +1~5 or magic affinity +1~5. and Sattva could've use converts damage into MP, reduced enmitiy loss when taking damage, or damage reduction 1~5%

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Originally Posted by katz

When all said and done...COP rings are great for level 75 but why would you want to keep armor that are out of date? Why not make a new reward based on the old idea but give it a 75-99 range.

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Storyline rewards should be based on the ultimate level, and should be one of the best pieces. When they level cap was risen so to should ALL of the rings/rewards. Whether it's through a new mission or otherwise.

1 Ring in 5 (7 if you include all nations) storylines that is any good is absurd.

Raja's should have the stats raise to 3~6 (at the minimum) and all the others should be fixed to actually be useful.

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Originally Posted by Daniel_Hatcher

Storyline rewards should be based on the ultimate level, and should be one of the best pieces. When they level cap was risen so to should ALL of the rings/rewards. Whether it's through a new mission or otherwise.

1 Ring in 5 (7 if you include all nations) storylines that is any good is absurd.

Raja's should have the stats raise to 3~6 (at the minimum) and all the others should be fixed to actually be useful.

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Actually. I kind of like Kats idea as well. Wouldn't it be nice to have another version of that gear as long as we could keep both? This is what's happening in Limbus Salvage Nysal (sp). The wuest for each upgrade could be really simple and it's not the issue. They could just offer the players an option to re-doo each of these fights with higher level bosses. There would be no real CS changes just higher level scaled gear for the higher level fights.

By having the option get another item with a different name scaled to a higher level it would allow players to own a low quality version and a high quality version at the same time. If the lower quality gear is too weak it shouldn't matter in the first place iff we have both.

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Originally Posted by Duelle

Agreed.
They seem to be overly hesitant with anything that empowers the players.

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Unless your main job is SAM.

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Originally Posted by Teraniku

Unless your main job is SAM.

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Good thing I play say the correct way it was intended with soboro and +87eva, so I have nothing ot worry about.

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Originally Posted by Camate

We spoke to the development team about the possibility of scaling the stats on the Chains of Promathia reward rings to match the new level cap. They let us know that they’re already looking into this, and are carefully investigating it so that balance can be maintained between the CoP prizes and other rings.

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Here we are! 2014! Where are the adjustments to our rings?^^

+1

I'm looking forward to upgrading my Rajas ring.

(And as always, even better if it involves some kind of quest that involves Prishe, Ulmia, Selh'teus and the others in some way. Specially if it continues the story and also allows us to upgrade our Apoc. Nigh earrings at the same time.)

I'm looking forward to an upgrade on Raja too. But, I gotta admit, out of all the end mission line rewards, this is probably the one that needs updating the LEAST.

Could be wrong but... I'm sure they are going to do it via Dawn II. The last updates have been for RotZ, CoP, and ToAU fights. We've gotten Tenzen, Ouryu, Gessho, and the Mamool Wivre as well as the Zilart Bros. My thoughts on it is that we're going to see the final mission for CoP & ToAU redone in the next couple of months and then we're likely to see the Zilart Bros fight where you fight both at once, requiring both of their wins and possibly Dawn as well in order to do it similar to how the DMII fight was.

Seeing as they're redoing these old fights right now, it seems the most logical conclusion to think they'd update them via that fight, though I admit the fact this wasn't done with the DM Earrings may cast some doubt on this idea.

Yes please! Would like to see this.

Put that other magian moogle(the one for accessories; green pompom) to use. Let us augment or upgrade old accessories and even new ones with new trials.

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Originally Posted by Camate

We spoke to the development team about the possibility of scaling the stats on the Chains of Promathia reward rings to match the new level cap. They let us know that they’re already looking into this, and are carefully investigating it so that balance can be maintained between the CoP prizes and other rings.

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Love broken promises. I bet the current development team is clueless of this promise along with all of the others made in 2011...

I hate a lack of updates to old gear and such as much as the next person, but really... Saying they're looking into something isn't the same as saying it will happen 100% for sure. There are many examples of them saying they would look into things and them not necessarily happening, only a few times has it been truly more or less saying they'd do it rather than just a simple maybe at best...