Stormwaker Y-700 Head, Haste II and Automaton AI.

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Originally Posted by Mitruya

No frame can cast ANYTHING on itself.
Also you can't exactly macro in -PDT/-MDT attachments on the fly like you can with player gear either. Having them equipped isn't the same as all the buffs and advantage a player has.

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Actually frames are able to cast on themselves, cure's being the most obvious, but also WHM can cast Regen IV on itself and BLM cast's dread spikes (the latter is less important as it doesn't cast on player originally).

But I agree that the attachments don't function as pro/shell as I mentioned in my post. Would be nice to increase frames elemental load, with job-points for example.

Also the content of Camets post while awesome, is slightly concerning, the frames I can see most benefiting from Pro/Shell are the RNG/PLD frame, which have no casting abilities. Unless a player would be able to cast Pro/Shell on them, which would be much more useful.

lol I remember that Magic Mortar phase when it was a lot of dmg. That is pretty typical dmg now though, don't see a problem changing it back.

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Originally Posted by Elvyn

Actually frames are able to cast on themselves, cure's being the most obvious, but also WHM can cast Regen IV on itself and BLM cast's dread spikes (the latter is less important as it doesn't cast on player originally).

But I agree that the attachments don't function as pro/shell as I mentioned in my post. Would be nice to increase frames elemental load, with job-points for example.

Also the content of Camets post while awesome, is slightly concerning, the frames I can see most benefiting from Pro/Shell are the RNG/PLD frame, which have no casting abilities. Unless a player would be able to cast Pro/Shell on them, which would be much more useful.

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Whoops. You are correct. Shows how long it's been since I used a mage frame. ;p I suppose to clarify I meant protective buffs (other than Dread Spikes). I don't remember ever seeing the WHM frame cast Regen on anybody other than a player. *shrugs*
But we're all in agreement that NO frame casts Pro/Shell on itself or can have Pro/Shell put on it (which would be helpful for the non-mage frames).

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Originally Posted by Mitruya

Whoops. You are correct. Shows how long it's been since I used a mage frame. ;p I suppose to clarify I meant protective buffs (other than Dread Spikes). I don't remember ever seeing the WHM frame cast Regen on anybody other than a player. *shrugs*
But we're all in agreement that NO frame casts Pro/Shell on itself or can have Pro/Shell put on it (which would be helpful for the non-mage frames).

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It's the thing that currently has a monster's attention, that a level 99 player would see as Decent Challenge for Regen, including itself :)

Iv also seen Punchy cast Regen IV on the main tank during BCNM's if I'm not the main target.
Indeed those are the only two "buffs" iv seen, cant even get my RDM to stoneskin itself, which seems odd lol

MM can do some decent DMG but it take a lot of preparing, I like using Mana converter to take it into Red HP just before to get 1k+ but even then if your to quick with mana converter it will cure itself before WS

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Originally Posted by Elvyn

Iv also seen Punchy cast Regen IV on the main tank during BCNM's if I'm not the main target.
Indeed those are the only two "buffs" iv seen, cant even get my RDM to stoneskin itself, which seems odd lol

MM can do some decent DMG but it take a lot of preparing, I like using Mana converter to take it into Red HP just before to get 1k+ but even then if your to quick with mana converter it will cure itself before WS

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But.. Knockout does 1k straight up and gives -eva. Putting your auto below max hp just increases the risk of not being able to DAD it.

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Originally Posted by Elvyn

Iv also seen Punchy cast Regen IV on the main tank during BCNM's if I'm not the main target.
Indeed those are the only two "buffs" iv seen, cant even get my RDM to stoneskin itself, which seems odd lol

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Yeah I've only noticed it cast Regen on me or a tank in a party. I've had the WHM puppet fight something by itself before when I got linked aggro, and I just don't remember it buffing itself at all except cures.
And yeah I think it's weird too that the RDM puppet doesn't stoneskin/phalanx/haste itself.
Of course you can force Blaze Spikes and Stoneskin with attachments on any frame, but that's about it.

Agreed as of right now our pets are just as squishy as a Loupon. If they are already have trouble of force popping buffs with Maneuvers I am not even going to ask for a command that force the automaton to move distance from aoe range but are still able to cast. in parties we have to take that extra few seconds (if using a mage auto) to deploy an x amount of distance from the mob then go finally going in for our attacks. Unless during pt emergencies dont have autos out, activate, pop light manuever for a cure and quickly deactivate them. But that then takes away from our DPS because of the delay from activating manuevers.

If Dev team can come up with augmenting the fights depending on the amount of players are in pt/alliance for delve They can do something to that extend to our automatons. Augmenting our automatons from solo/pt/alli

Apologies to keep you all waiting on the fixes for the Target Marker and Attuner attachments.

In order to fix the issues large revamps to the attachment system are necessary, so we expect this to take some time to complete.

We understand that pet accuracy is still lacking when participating in content (not only for automatons), but we are prioritizing overall boosts to pets at the moment, and we are looking into making adjustments to this with the new job point elements that are scheduled for some time after the November version update.

again, AGAIN the problem is that the math tables for pets are scaled improperly into end-game on a trait native to the job, and instead of SE troubleshooting it we players have to fix it by grind content wasting resources that could be better spent on chosen augments to our characters instead of doing bug fixes that should have happened 2 years ago when they were 1st observed. can you try to get us an acceptable reason why? because (paraphrased) "we don't feel like it" is getting kind of old and was never actually acceptable to begin with.

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we are looking into making adjustments to this with the new job point elements

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Excuse me? So not only is the dev team going to take their time into "fixing these issues" but the only way imma get my stuff fixed is if I grind points to augment the fix? Um no, hell no. I'm sorry but that's not acceptable. Fix the issue and do something that is actually useful for once in those job points.

How it read:

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Originally Posted by Grekumah

We understand that pet accuracy is still lacking when participating in content (not only for automatons), but we are prioritizing overall boosts to pets at the moment, and we are looking into making adjustments to this with the new job point elements that are scheduled for some time after the November version update.

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How it should have read:

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Originally Posted by Grekumah

We understand that pet accuracy is still lacking when participating in content (not only for automatons), but we are prioritizing overall boosts to pets at the moment, and we are looking into making adjustments.

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Seriously. Job points are going to add at most 90 acc. (+3 * 30). We still are gonna be 100-300 below that of a player...

I just dont see that helping at all. Being in Doh and Woh I dont use DD pets there.. Im already forced to use the stupid trust for songs so that I can have a better build. Food doesnt helps as much. Im not even gonna say the amount of gear sets I had to make even with having Kenkoken and ws can be just as bad D:

I apologize for the inconveniences caused by the Target Marker and Attuner bug.

We've confirmed that these two attachments are not working properly in the following content:

• High-tier mission battlefields
• Battlefields that require a Microcosmic Orb
• Battlefields that require a Macrocosmic Orb

The bug is related to the fact that level correction takes place in these areas.

When making the monsters in these areas where level correction takes place a higher level, compared to the monsters of the same level in Adoulin areas where there is no level correction, they become way stronger. In order to avoid this, we've made adjustments and addressed this by only boosting their parameters without increasing their levels. By doing this we were able to balance the above content; however, as a result, the Target Marker and Attuner attachments are not working properly because their effects are elicited by looking at level differences.

Both of these attachments have been made based on complicated formulas, so it’s difficult to make it function in their original way for all areas, which is why it will take us a bit of time to address this.

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When making the monsters in these areas where level correction takes place a higher level, compared to the monsters of the same level in Adoulin areas where there is no level correction, they become way stronger. In order to avoid this, we've made adjustments and addressed this by only boosting their parameters without increasing their levels. By doing this we were able to balance the above content

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Are these adjustments already added? Or are they comming to the next September patch?

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Originally Posted by Donquichot

Are these adjustments already added? Or are they comming to the next September patch?

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When creating these new battlefields the system was adjusted in the aforementioned way.

So basicly nothing is going to be changed? Because how it is now the automotons parameters are lower than their player counterparts. But this is not just in battlefields that have difficulty adjustments. The whole parameter boosting in certain events isnt an answer. its a bandaid that will have to be done in the future again. Why not fix this now so the developers can create content where alot more jobs can play on equal footing. The way they are 'fixing' the problem by parameter boosting in certain events is a waste of developer resources. Fix it all over the game. The way it is now developers cant reliably create content that is balanced to alot of jobs.

Unfortunately the devs seem allergic to fixing the base problems with pet jobs. Instead, they do all sorts of weird stuff that gets broken every update. Players have given out plenty of workable ways that the jobs could be improved and... yeah.... just bizarre things like this...

I liked the idea of Pet rolls, from COR, but the problem is that kind of thing only works in Pet-Parties... if pets could be hit by any buffs those problems would be fixed almost entirely. But then you have disposable pets that can be fully buffed and sent to their death ad-infinum, creates a balance issue. Might even have to rework pet rolls (DRG, BST, PUP)... Companions roll seems like it could stay.

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Originally Posted by Grekumah

Apologies to keep you all waiting on the fixes for the Target Marker and Attuner attachments.

In order to fix the issues large revamps to the attachment system are necessary, so we expect this to take some time to complete.

We understand that pet accuracy is still lacking when participating in content (not only for automatons), but we are prioritizing overall boosts to pets at the moment, and we are looking into making adjustments to this with the new job point elements that are scheduled for some time after the November version update.

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so with one hand you say job points are something to be a boost to job but not required to play a job effectively then with the other hand you come out with this horse s***
if you want to BS us at least make it consistant

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

I liked the idea of Pet rolls, from COR, but the problem is that kind of thing only works in Pet-Parties... if pets could be hit by any buffs those problems would be fixed almost entirely. But then you have disposable pets that can be fully buffed and sent to their death ad-infinum, creates a balance issue. Might even have to rework pet rolls (DRG, BST, PUP)... Companions roll seems like it could stay.

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Thing is, that's already sorta the case now - The only thing that might affect that is MDB, but probably not. The Atk/Acc rolls are the same potency, the MAB rolls are actually higher potency. If normal rolls hit, it wouldn't make pets alone any more formidable than they are now. It'd just allow us to fight with them~

I kinda feel bad for the devs.......having to come up with so many excuses for why SE now supports a non-fantastical ideology of real life. Think of it as what jobs and college are(very loosely based) if you want good a good job(gear) you have to go to college(endgame) for a specific field(mnk/COR/brd/etc) but just like real life it doesn't matter how much time you put into learning into that field if you don't like it. You get your gear, but you wasted a lot of time working on something you didn't want to.

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Originally Posted by Donquichot

So basicly nothing is going to be changed? Because how it is now the automotons parameters are lower than their player counterparts. But this is not just in battlefields that have difficulty adjustments. The whole parameter boosting in certain events isnt an answer. its a bandaid that will have to be done in the future again. Why not fix this now so the developers can create content where alot more jobs can play on equal footing. The way they are 'fixing' the problem by parameter boosting in certain events is a waste of developer resources. Fix it all over the game. The way it is now developers cant reliably create content that is balanced to alot of jobs.

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pet jobs were deliberately nerfed with the start of SoA and the trend has continued since. Much like beastmaster always called jugs 1-2 levels below master-and needed relic gloves to close that gap (assuming the jug pet could even reach the master's cap)-the SoA ilevel equipment has been at least 2 levels below the available player equipment on pup and smn. On beast and dragoon it seems a software limitation of weakened parameters has been added to called pets like jugs and dragoons to keep them weak in relation to a comparably leveled job. Now, even with job points the smart money says the pets will be continued as too weak to be viable in end-game content. For charmed pets that actually are your level the move to "balance" (which is everything EXCEPT balanced) is that your "sic" moves are much slower to activate than the pet was before charm and it's attack and accuracy are reduced, presumably as part of the mechanics of the charm. This is apparently part of a deliberate move to see that pet jobs are no more effective soloing than any other soloing job, roughly equivalent to bard. The sooner we accept that SE has decided that ALL pets are to permanently be under the effects of enfeebles-except when our 1 hours are active-the better for our digestive systems; I loved playing pet jobs but as they are currently/going forward implemented they are just giving me gas and ulcers-oh, and costing me end-game party slots.

Previously I mentioned that we would be adjusting pet accuracy with new job point elements, and I would like to add a bit more information about this.

First, on the basis that in the event the player’s item level, the pet’s level, and the content level are all the same, we feel that the proper situation is such that the pet’s attacks land if you supplement with the proper equipment and food. For example, with item level 119 equipment, if you challenge alluvion skirmish or high-tier mission battlefields at normal difficulty, they will be able to hit properly.

Currently, avatars in particular are lacking in accuracy, and for other pets as well, we understand that when trying to increase the stats for both pet and master, there will ultimately be a portion that becomes lacking. Besides the pet adjustments we have been making, we will also be looking at adjusting the master for these jobs and supplement the aspects that are lacking.

On the other hand, when it comes to high difficulty content such as high-tier mission battlefields at the difficult difficulty setting, we are looking into supplementing the aspects that are lacking for this with job points. (We’ll also be looking into special pet items and new attachments for the future.)

As we are trying to be very careful with job adjustments, we understand there are some players who are getting upset because no drastic changes can be seen right away, but we are taking in all the feedback and proceeding with adjustments as we consider the overall conditions of the game.

We’ll be continuing to make adjustments to dragoon, puppetmaster and beastmater as damage dealers, and to summoner as a support role that can also deal damage in future version updates.

Additionally, we’d like to add elements to job points that allow you to easily feel that your character is growing past level 99 besides just through item levels. Once the details have been fleshed out more we’ll introduce them to you. :cool:

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Originally Posted by Grekumah

On the other hand, when it comes to high difficulty content such as high-tier mission battlefields at the difficult difficulty setting, we are looking into supplementing the aspects that are lacking for this with job points. (We’ll also be looking into special pet items and new attachments for the future.)

As we are trying to be very careful with job adjustments, we understand there are some players who are getting upset because no drastic changes can be seen right away, but we are taking in all the feedback and proceeding with adjustments as we consider the overall conditions of the game.

Additionally, we’d like to add elements to job points that allow you to easily feel that your character is growing past level 99 besides just through item levels. Once the details have been fleshed out more we’ll introduce them to you. :cool:

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I understand the need for caution, but I sincerely don't see HOW job points will provide the necessary accuracy to alleviate the penalty we have.

Further to this, if you treat a pet as an analogue to a player.. the amount of hoops we have to jump through just to get our accuracy to acceptable levels is unacceptable. There isn't enough pet:Acc equipment that also allows us to hit (As you've already stated). Then to force us to grind the necessary ... hell of a lot of CP just to be able to become slightly more effective.. It's a little.. disappointing.

I don't have the numbers to disprove that, my automaton did have around 80-95% accuracy on Delve 1-5 (119) - But against tojil? Miss Miss Miss AoE Die. And this was with me eating Pet Acc Food, which I could have really used Curry buns or Pizza.

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Originally Posted by Grekumah

We’ll be continuing to make adjustments to dragoon, puppetmaster and beastmater as damage dealers, and to summoner as a support role that can also deal damage in future version updates.
we understand that when trying to increase the stats for both pet and master, there will ultimately be a portion that becomes lacking.

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The main thing is HOW players buff their acc in low accuracy situations, first you have gear; we have an analogue for this but it is currently lacking. Perhaps accuracy gear should transfer a % bonus of your stats to a pet. Perhaps through a job trait. Beastmaster and Puppetmaster would get the highest tier of this trait, Dragoon would get lower tiers.

Secondly our Corsair Buffs, frankly they might as well not exist because the 75 acc and 46-51% attack on the player is simply lost. The answer to this is a fundamental reworking of the pet rolls, having them provide potent pet only effects (much like companions) to factor in the reduced efficacy of the master. Then allow buffs to effect pets. This would help their Attack and Accuracy situations immensely, and provide them to reach haste % that players are able to. This would be from Bard, Geo and Corsair. And Sambas, like they used to..

Attachments provide a problem in that we are incredibly limited in our ability to slot them. We already are at a situation where we have to omit some staples due to lack of elemental slot or being full elsewhere. While this is true of player equipment too, players have the ability to swap out equipment to suite the situation. I don't know the fix to this one. Providing more elemental slots or more slots to use as level progresses might be a good idea.

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Originally Posted by Grekumah

(We’ll also be looking into special pet items and new attachments for the future.)

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As for attachments, there has to be something good on show for us to be willing to impede ourselves (thanks to ja delay). Maneuvers are often an objective negative when fighting, they provide fairly insubstantial boosts to our pet but hinder our ability to deal damage. The answer to that, and a boost for every job in the game, is addressing JA delay.

Some Attachment ideas:
Optic Fiber II,
Attuner II, Target Market II,
Replicant: Improve Automaton Decision making
Ersatz: All attachments act as if 1 maneuver was activated.
Empathy Box: Forces Automatons to consider other people, enables -ra spells (Protectra), accessions applicable buffs (Consumes 1 Water Maneuver).
Soother: Converts % of health recovered into a stoneskin effect.
(I reread Can androids dream of electric sheep. Can you tell?)


One thing that really bothers me, and it's going back to the original post.. DD AI for automatons is utterly terrible. Why is my pet holding TP til 150% without inhibitor. There needs to be more frequent checks done, because as it stands it's not only pitiful damage, but pitiful damage that's intentionally hindered.


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Job Points aren't enough. Players don't have to jump through those hoops, why do we?
Buffs should hit Pets. So should cures.
Gear should affect pets more than it currently does.
New Attachments need considerations in the attachment system.
AI BAD.

I'll speak for myself at least that it concerns me the development are taking this route to fix pet jobs as damage dealers.

Regarding the response to satisfaction with current Pet Accuracy
I think using Alluvion Skirmish and Normal difficulty on high-tier mission battlefields while wearing pet accuracy gear and using pet food is a not a good example of being satisfactory. A non-pet damage dealer or even the master can do this without much effort or food. Just 119 weapons alone with 115-117 gear is usually enough. The same should be for pets, if they are 119, they should hit with the same amount of accuracy/magic accuracy they are being summoned at that a player can easily reach without adding accuracy food and pet specific equipment which makes the master suffer. .

In this response, the dev. team agrees a portion ultimately becomes lacking, but it should not have to be. Why should the master suffer stats at the expense of the pet? Especially when your recent vision is to make pet jobs deal more damage over time than normal damage dealers at the expense of keeping their pet alive. Either the master's stats need to influence the pet or better hybrid gear should be made so that neither side is penalized.

Regarding fixing known pet discrepancies with Job Points.
More and more the dev. team is going against their own words of stating that Job Points are meant to be a casual way to augment/enhance your skills. Fixes do not belong in this category, you are ultimately saying in order to participate in difficult content you need to farm job points, which other damage dealers do not need to do.

Pets don't have equipment (sans Automatons in a way). Pets also aren't affected by songs, rolls (unless you roll specifically only for pets), geomancy, blood pacts and other support effects like Warcry, Blood Rage, Circle abilities, etc (except Empathy/Spirit Link to Wyvern). The point is that job points especially in the case of Puppetmaster is not the proper solution. Attachments should be the equivalent of those effects. They are not easy to come by in some instances.

Summary. TL;DR

• Please raise pet accuracy and magic accuracy natively to compete at events like Alluvion Skirmish/Normal Difficulty high-tier mission battlefields. You should only need to summon 119 pets to have a decent (not necessarily capped) accuracy rate.
• Work on better hybrid equipment for pet jobs so they aren't ultimately lacking.
• Add new attachments to compensate for lack of the ability to transfer buffs to the automaton for more difficult content.
• Please stop using job points to fix known issues. It seems entirely unfair given it's not a requirement on other jobs to do so to compete in harder content.
• Stick to your vision that pet jobs will deal more damage over time in compensation for maintaining their pets.

+1 Accuracy per Job point, capping at +10 and eventually +30 pet accuracy in the future is not enough accuracy to supplement Pets in high difficulty content.

^Agreed with all that above.
Please don't make new attachments insanely hard and expensive to come by. Same with nice "pet:" gear.
Don't punish us by making us work harder to compete for a DD slot.

If you do go down the Job point route (PlzNoThx) then atleast have the job point be similar to Accuracy Percent, or Ignore Enemy Evasion percent.

But you know, main point to take away from this is 'don't adjust pet jobs via Job points.' Fix them first, then augment them with Job points. Please. Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Grekumah

Previously I mentioned that we would be adjusting pet accuracy with new job point elements, and I would like to add a bit more information about this.

First, on the basis that in the event the player’s item level, the pet’s level, and the content level are all the same, we feel that the proper situation is such that the pet’s attacks land if you supplement with the proper equipment and food. For example, with item level 119 equipment, if you challenge alluvion skirmish or high-tier mission battlefields at normal difficulty, they will be able to hit properly.

Currently, avatars in particular are lacking in accuracy, and for other pets as well, we understand that when trying to increase the stats for both pet and master, there will ultimately be a portion that becomes lacking. Besides the pet adjustments we have been making, we will also be looking at adjusting the master for these jobs and supplement the aspects that are lacking.

On the other hand, when it comes to high difficulty content such as high-tier mission battlefields at the difficult difficulty setting, we are looking into supplementing the aspects that are lacking for this with job points. (We’ll also be looking into special pet items and new attachments for the future.)

As we are trying to be very careful with job adjustments, we understand there are some players who are getting upset because no drastic changes can be seen right away, but we are taking in all the feedback and proceeding with adjustments as we consider the overall conditions of the game.

We’ll be continuing to make adjustments to dragoon, puppetmaster and beastmater as damage dealers, and to summoner as a support role that can also deal damage in future version updates.

Additionally, we’d like to add elements to job points that allow you to easily feel that your character is growing past level 99 besides just through item levels. Once the details have been fleshed out more we’ll introduce them to you. :cool:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XX8Q1aAIXg

so other jobs get to use their job points to improve their performance, we get to use ours to try-and fail-to achieve even the low end of mediocrity amongst unbuffed jobs. yeah, that seems fair.

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Originally Posted by Grekumah

Previously I mentioned that we would be adjusting pet accuracy with new job point elements, and I would like to add a bit more information about this.

First, on the basis that in the event the player’s item level, the pet’s level, and the content level are all the same, we feel that the proper situation is such that the pet’s attacks land if you supplement with the proper equipment and food. For example, with item level 119 equipment, if you challenge alluvion skirmish or high-tier mission battlefields at normal difficulty, they will be able to hit properly.

Currently, avatars in particular are lacking in accuracy, and for other pets as well, we understand that when trying to increase the stats for both pet and master, there will ultimately be a portion that becomes lacking. Besides the pet adjustments we have been making, we will also be looking at adjusting the master for these jobs and supplement the aspects that are lacking.

On the other hand, when it comes to high difficulty content such as high-tier mission battlefields at the difficult difficulty setting, we are looking into supplementing the aspects that are lacking for this with job points. (We’ll also be looking into special pet items and new attachments for the future.)

As we are trying to be very careful with job adjustments, we understand there are some players who are getting upset because no drastic changes can be seen right away, but we are taking in all the feedback and proceeding with adjustments as we consider the overall conditions of the game.

We’ll be continuing to make adjustments to dragoon, puppetmaster and beastmater as damage dealers, and to summoner as a support role that can also deal damage in future version updates.

Additionally, we’d like to add elements to job points that allow you to easily feel that your character is growing past level 99 besides just through item levels. Once the details have been fleshed out more we’ll introduce them to you. :cool:

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-First of all. Alluvion Skirmish and Normal Difficulty High-Tier battlefields Difficulty SHOULD NOT be the measure stick for having enough accuracy aslong as you have all the pet:accurracy gear and food. This just means we will never be able to participate in Very Difficult High-Tier Battlefields.

Is it so hard to balance content to where we can hit the toughest content available provided we got all the pet: accurracy available and are using pet:accuracy foods? When you keep balancing our job to the point we can only hit stuff on Normal we will always be behind on other damage dealing jobs. This is not creating balance at all!

-Secondly supplementing our faults with job points so we can go from normal tier to the highest tier is too big of a road. you would have to give us 150 acurracy to our pets with job points capped. This would mean +5 acurracy to our pets with every job point upgrade.

While this would work this job points SHOULD NOT be fixes to a job! It should enhance them. This basicly is a waste of a job point category which could have been something entirely better.

The whole stance the development team has against pet job classes is not helping. I would ask them to change their point of view, but years of asking to fix this has fallen onto their deaf ears.

Job points, are you KIDDING me?! Have you any idea how long it takes to earn a single job point as a pet job? In fact have you ever listened to the /shouts in Jeuno and Adoulin for capacity point farming? I've yet to hear someone shout out "[Mho Gates] [Capacity Point] farm [do you need it]? 3/6 BST SMN DRG [Anything]!" Basically we're left out to rot by ourselves whilst bards and corsairs get all the attention.

And as the poster above me stated, job points should be to further improve our jobs, not fix or replace what's missing.

I don't even want to say it's about the ability to farm Capacity points, though I appreciate what you're saying. I could probably get a capacity points party, slower, sure.

It's more about identifying and problem, saying that it is a problem, then saying suck it up and farm these things to fix it. If you know something is an issue you fix it. You fix it at it's core, because it is a core problem with the job.

No other job requires you to farm job points in order to be complete, that's my main philosophical objection.

Ok, maybe i'm missing something here (Other than the MOB!!! Pun intended) but I really don't see why the DEV's are putting so much time and effort into just sticking Autos with a little bit more ACC/RACC. No ones asking for GodMode Auto's just a little bit more ACC/RACC and the longer and more complex(Read; Stupid) ideas the DEV teams comes up with to distract us just makes them just even more incompetent.

Come on.. what is really the issue with increasing Autos accuracy gradient just a little?

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Originally Posted by Elvyn

Come on.. what is really the issue with increasing Autos accuracy gradient just a little?

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keeping the non-pet jobs from QQing when pet jobs outperform them again. you really needed to ask?