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You need an Armadaberk for DA+3

From what I messed, with Wivre(+2crit)/Rancor seems to mathematically beat everything else. There may have been a few variables it was not or it was marginal but usually it was by far (more than 1%) a clear winner.

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Originally Posted by Shirkan

My question is: Do we know for sure that Zelus,Goading,Rvg legs+2 and feet +2 do not cap haste alone,as they may all be worth exactly or a little bit more haste % than whats incribed on them.

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I think it goes something along the lines of 1 shown haste = 1000/1024?
So then: 8% haste would be 8000/8192?

I'm not certain, but I'm fairly sure the number 1024 is involved. Some research on BG would probably solve your problems.

Edit: According to ffxicalc Zelus Tiara is 7.91% Haste, Goading and +2 Feet are 4.88%, +2 Legs are 6.93%, and Blitz is 1.07%.

10/1024 would be a better assumption for 1% haste, which makes 1% haste = 0.0097 or .97% haste

Blitz is 11/1024, or 1.07% haste

Well there you have it

Cool guys thanks

So are we replacing Rajas with Oneiros Ring any time soon,ya think peep?
It's ugly sure but I'd get MP merits if it improved my DMG output.If you had capped haste/6 hit without Rajas Ring - DA+2/3 STP 4/5 on Ebody and White Tathlum:confused:

Edit: Hey with Earthen hands Aug'd with haste you could drop blitz for Oneiros and keep yer rajas o_0:eek:

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Originally Posted by Shirkan

So are we replacing Rajas with Oneiros Ring any time soon,ya think peep?
It's ugly sure but I'd get MP merits if it improved my DMG output.If you had capped haste/6 hit without Rajas Ring - DA+2/3 STP 4/5 on Ebody and White Tathlum:confused:

Edit: Hey with Earthen hands Aug'd with haste you could drop blitz for Oneiros and keep yer rajas o_0:eek:

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TA+2 will probably be better than Haste+.39% up until you have marches (With marches I think Haste+.39% will be better)

Dropping AF3+2 hands is easy, hell you can get perle and drop blitz and have 17 more attack than you did before- but you lose out on the bonus to restraint.

If Restraint is not active, you should be using perle hands and keen ring/ well auged +6 DEX ring or strigoi or something.

Thanks Leo.You should have your own help thread !:rolleyes:

If me gusta helm actually existed, that+dusk+1 gloves+keen ring should be more attack/skill than just switching perle hands.

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Originally Posted by Shirkan

Thanks Leo.You should have your own help thread !:rolleyes:

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NP.

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Originally Posted by Neisan_Quetz

If me gusta helm actually existed, that+dusk+1 gloves+keen ring should be more attack/skill than just switching perle hands.

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Fazheluo Helm +1: http://www.ffxiah.com/item/11824/fazheluo-helm-1
I think that's what you're talking about, and yes if it was actually a viable option that would be ideal. 99% of the game will probably never even see that thing on anyone though.

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Originally Posted by Leonlionheart

The difference between Aurara's "Goal" set and my "Goal" Set

Ear2 (Moonshade(Assume 4 Attack+Regain) Vs. Rvg. Earring)
Ring2 (Keen(or Flame/Pyrosoul/Strigoi) Vs. Blitz)
Belt (Ninurta Vs. Goading)

Set "Aurara" (Assuming Keen Ring since accessible): +18 Attack, +1Regain
Set "Leon": +1% DA, 3 Attack, 5 STP
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Why Set "Leon" is better:
-Reliability of Regain as compared to straight 6hit from STP: Capped Haste attack rounds are 1.6 seconds. That means you get 1 TP per 2 Swings. It takes 9.6 seconds for all 6 swings. Ukko's Furry takes away 1 swing, but due to ability delay we can safely say its not an issue. The problem we have then is that TA, DA, and most importantly Retaliation reduces the amount of time between Ukko's Fury and 100% TP. With 1 TA 1 DA you are cut down to two attack rounds per 100% TP, meaning you would be at 99% TP instead of 100% TP with Regain. This is fixable by waiting, but odds are (unless you miss) you will get another hit in before you get another tick of Regain. With a base of 15% TA inside abyssea and 30% DA, you have high chances of losing an entire attack round to waiting on regain rather than just having enough STP.

-1% DA is actually more TP for you, and more chances of Set Proc ODD.

The only way set "Aurara" performs better is without buffs, in which case it is indeed slightly better (by 15 attack really). That's it. 15 Attack. Instead of going through the PAIN of getting Ninurta+Moonshade you could get 5 more attack with THE SAME AMOUNT OF HASTE by:

Set "More Attack Than Thou": Ear2(Centaurus Earring), Ring2(Keen Ring), Waist(Goading Belt) Hands(Perle Moufles)
Attack +28 (The true Attack Difference of Set "Aurura" is actually 5 because AF3+2 hands give 6 attack (From the 9 STR).

Conclusion: You should be using set "More Attack Than Thou" when restraint is down anyway, though Rvg. Earring would be better than Centaurus earring in terms of actual DPS.

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Necrobump/oldarguement

Those are my gear sets. I am Kam, Hi( '-')/
And you are wrong.
The differance between the 2 is ninurtas/mars/moonshade vs goading/blitz/ravagers
With STP6 on armadaberk with 3DA you would be at 99 tp after 6 hits, meaning moonshade needs to give only 1 tick of regain to maintain 6 hit. 3 seconds between ticks means this will always happen, even if you triple attack > double attack after a WS it would still take over 3 seconds to get the 3rd attack round in even with capped haste. So the regain vs stp is a moot point and not at all important.
The real difference is; 18 att 8 acc vs 3att 1 DA. And with as much DA (and TA inside abyssea) WAR has, 1% DA is not even going to give you +1% total damage, 18 attack always will, unless you manage to always have extra bards/cors, stalwarts, mages diaing everything, etc everywhere you go. But seriously, who always has capped attack? Not anyone I know.

Also: this is a restraint up set. (Or, a set you would use when you need more acc as opposed to what a restraint down set offers)

Lastly: Switch to rancor collar if you can survive with the +10% damage taken.

EDIT: And someone with cavaros mantle, heafoc mitts, ravagers earring and spiral ring listed on their gear sets as stuff they use for Ukko's shouldn't try and tell others what is best.

All of those arguments were posted before most augments were known, other than Adaberk.

Obviously with Crit damage heca +1 hands, it would be better.

STR+4 earring is better, yes.

I'm not big on gil, that's why I don't have anything better than Spiral. And lazy. And don't play anymore.

Obviously now that Rancor Collar is known, it's better.

Congratulations on having a Mars ring, N sash, and Armada hauberk, I don't have them so I can't test.

Attack on my set from body/ring/belt/earring = 30 (including skill from AF3+2 body)
Attack on your set from body/ring/belt/earring = 34
Your set has 2% more DA and 4 more attack, at the cost of 2% less Set Proc rate(set proc isn't really a big deal). The difference in gil is, nearly 40mil. Not to mention however many millions spent on tatters.

Your set will more than likely win, assuming you do indeed have that 6 STP and 3% DA.

With 4~5 STP and 2% DA my argument against it stands though so you need perfect augs and NEED an HQ(not easy to get).

Shoot for your set, but my set is definitely the next best option.

If you want to hear me say it, then yes: I agree with you. You're set is completely optimal as far as I can tell. (I still don't think I'll recommend AV items to people though)

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Originally Posted by wish12oz

EDIT: And someone with cavaros mantle, heafoc mitts, ravagers earring and spiral ring listed on their gear sets as stuff they use for Ukko's shouldn't try and tell others what is best.

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F*** you to this though. I can give perfect information on gear to PUPs DD sets without having the job unlocked. Seriously, you're completely ignorant if you're telling me I shouldn't be giving people advice, when you're telling people to go get Ninurta's Sash, Mar's Ring, Armada Hauberk, and Moonshade Earring or gtfo.

Yes they are better. Will I tell people to go spend most of their time getting them? No. Yes they are easier to get than at 75, but dead content is dead.

You guys don't even have perfect augment N.Legs+1 with 6DEX!

Seriously though, most of this stuff is so rare is impractical D:

Yes it's the best but personally I have no way of getting it, since I didn't enjoy doing sky/HNM/Einherjar back at 75 cap, and nearly no one does it now.

I'll probably go to pick up B haidate, N. hands, and I'll do KSNM if I can get the people for E body but I don't have the resources anymore.

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Originally Posted by Leonlionheart

Seriously though, most of this stuff is so rare is impractical D:

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When people ask "What is the best stuff to use." It's best to tell them, rather than impose your gimp ideas of whats practical onto them since you have no idea of what situation they are in. If you want to include second best options, thats fine too, but to intentionally tell people gimp info is sort of stupid. And if you can't even afford the 500k to upgrade to a 7str ring, you should just throw your Ukon away, its better off on the ground. Armadaberk is like 10mil now, and provided you have 4-5 friends who are not terrible, it's very easy to get the abjuration doing Einherjar. I'm sorry you were never good enough to do this content at 75, and don't have any friends to do it with now that it's very very very easy, and I'm also sorry you are unable to make any gil and are poor as dirt, and also that you feel it's ok to work towards the second best gear, but seriously, thats not how everyone else plays. Most people would rather know what the best stuff is and work towards that, then work towards second place.

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Originally Posted by Leonlionheart

Attack on my set from body/ring/belt/earring = 30 (including skill from AF3+2 body)
Attack on your set from body/ring/belt/earring = 34

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Wait what?
AF3+2 body is 20 attack, 7 skill, which is 26 attack total.
0 att goading 3 att ravagers earring 0 att blitz
your set = 29 attack.

Aramadeberk is 11STR 16 ATT, which is 24.25 attack total.
8 att on mars, 6 att on ninurtas, 4att on moonshade.
my set = 42.25 attack.

Oh ya, this too. lol. Is this what we're talking about?


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1 skill = 1acc and 1 att until you reach 200 skill
1 skill = .9 acc and .9 att after you break 200 skill

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Originally Posted by wish12oz

Wait what?
AF3+2 body is 20 attack, 7 skill, which is 26 attack total.
0 att goading 3 att ravagers earring 0 att blitz
your set = 29 attack.

Aramadeberk is 11STR 16 ATT, which is 24.25 attack total.
8 att on mars, 6 att on ninurtas, 4att on moonshade.
my set = 42.25 attack.

Oh ya, this too. lol. Is this what we're talking about?


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1 skill = 1acc and 1 att until you reach 200 skill
1 skill = .9 acc and .9 att after you break 200 skill

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Yeah I was wrong, forgot about STR. However, it's not .9 att, it's just 1 attack. Don't ask me why it's separated from accuracy, which is indeed .9.

So it's 30 attack 2% DA ODD vs 42 attack and 2% DA.

Asura Ninurta's Sashes are 20mil, Mar's ring is 8mil, Cursed Hauberk -1 is 15mil. Tatters are 150k+
20+8+15=43. A friend of mine spent 16 tatters to get STP+4 DA+2. 2,400,000g

45.4mil for 12 attack and 2 DA...

Pass. My WHM wants Roundels more than that, and I still need to work on a lot of other things first.

However if you can get your hands on Ninurta's, Mars, and HQ E body, it's better. Use it.

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Originally Posted by Leonlionheart

Yeah I was wrong, forgot about STR. However, it's not .9 att, it's just 1 attack. Don't ask me why it's separated from accuracy, which is indeed .9.

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It's 0.9 att. you may see a full 7 att when adding the gear though, due to your current skill level. You get 6.3 att from this body, so if you're sat at a skill level (before adding body) that leaves you with .7, .8 or .9 you will see a jump of 7 attack.

So you're both right. :)

I come bearing gifts of new TP set information: why if you don't already have Adaman/Armada Hauberk you shouldn't waste your life trying to get it, and instead waste your life trying to get Voidwatch gears:

Fazheluo Set: 43 Attack, 6 Accuracy, 5% DA(Will win by a long shot if you don't need accuracy, which you often won't, needs moonshade)
vs.
AF3+2&Zelus: 27 Attack, 27 Accuracy, 1~2% DA ODD(Will always win when Accuracy is not capped)
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Armada&Zelus: 23 Attack, 23 Accuracy, 3% DA(Will win if you don't need the 4 Accuracy on AF3+2)
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Valkyrie&Zelus: 33 Attack, 4 Accuracy, 3% TA(In cases where accuracy is less important, needs moonshade)

This is assuming you are using
X/Rvg. Gorget/Rvg. Earring/Brutal
X/AF3+2/Rajas/Blitz
Atheling/Goading/AF3+2/AF3+2

Note on Fazheluo Set: You need Radiant Mail + HQ Head to make it work, and it also requires a Moonshade Earring w/ Attack and Regain. So the actual difference is another 1 attack and 1 less DA, still beating out by a large amount the other sets.

Why are you in this thread talking about how amazing of an increase 10 attack is and in another thread saying 182 attack is 'minimal'?

BTW, Aramadaberk w/ DA3 beats AF3+2 body all the time for everything ever.

Valk breastplate is +6 acc, -4 dex, which comes out to +3 accuracy, and the +accuracy augment is not something you should really consider, I mean if you're going to argue augmenting this til you get acc and TA, why not argue augmenting armadaberk til you get stp, da and acc or att? Heck why not argue augmenting Valk til you get 8 att and 3 TA? Then it would always be better then faz! If you don't need STP on body/hat with faz why would you suddenly have to have a COR with valk?

Random pic of my armadaberk with 8 acc before you say it can't happen:
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c243/r5n/accarma.jpg

Faz is best if you don't need acc, armada if you do, and af3+2 is what you use while trying to acquire one of the others, nothing more. This isn't exactly new information though, and best of luck to anyone trying to acquire Valk Breastplate, I can't find it or the pants -1 for sale, stupid Odin server.

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Originally Posted by wish12oz

Why are you in this thread talking about how amazing of an increase 10 attack is and in another thread saying 182 attack is 'minimal'?

BTW, Aramadaberk w/ DA3 beats AF3+2 body all the time for everything ever.

Valk breastplate is +6 acc, -4 dex, which comes out to +3 accuracy, and the +accuracy augment is not something you should really consider, I mean if you're going to argue augmenting this til you get acc and TA, why not argue augmenting armadaberk til you get stp, da and acc or att? Heck why not argue augmenting Valk til you get 8 att and 3 TA? Then it would always be better then faz! If you don't need STP on body/hat with faz why would you suddenly have to have a COR with valk?

Random pic of my armadaberk with 8 acc before you say it can't happen:
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c243/r5n/accarma.jpg

Faz is best if you don't need acc, armada if you do, and af3+2 is what you use while trying to acquire one of the others, nothing more. This isn't exactly new information though, and best of luck to anyone trying to acquire Valk Breastplate, I can't find it or the pants -1 for sale, stupid Odin server.

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I'm not trying to say it's minimal, I'm saying that the benefits of the 5 hit is less hits to get to 100% TP, meaning your TP rounds are less important, thus where the thinking that the loss of attack is ok comes from. Either way 6 hit wins by a long shot in terms of DPS. (P.S. You don't need food to get a 5 hit, though I believe you do need an Almah Torque and Regain Moonshade earring)

Though, I still think that 4 Accuracy on AF3+2 could beat out Armada w/ DA+3%, since AF3+2 in conjunction with hands/legs/feet gives around 1.2% DA ODD (I've been told, though haven't tested, that the ODD and Set Procs are don't proc when you DA, but rather are a complete new stat that is additive to DA), and that 4 accuracy COULD win if your accuracy isn't capped, on a theoretical level 105 mob you're losing out on 1.2% accuracy. 2.4% increase in hits per 100, and half of that is double damage, so it depends on your target, especially in Voidwatch. Not to mention that if your accuracy isn't capped that 3% DA won't be truly 3 hits per 100.

As for Valkyrie Breastplate with perfect augs, use it if you can make up the STP. If not, don't use it. It's pretty simple and I assume players have half a brain when gearing their jobs if they are able to obtain any of the Armada/Valkyrie/Radiant Mail options. It looks like I wasn't thinking when I added Vlakyrie, as you don't necessarily neeeeeed a COR to make it 6hit, just a moonshade like the Radiant Mail option. I'll edit it.

OBVIOUSLY if you can get an aug with Accuracy+8 on your Armada body then it wins over AF3+2. It's part of the random pool though, so I believe you're just as likely to get DEX+5, STR+5, or HP+25, so take your pick. It's your time, so distribute it how you want.