Broken/Useless BLU magic

I agree with everything Rwolf said. Just cause auto-attack is our best damage now doesn't mean that should be what we strive for. That path leads to mediocrity, especially since we are a light DD job. We can't afford to give up all our utility. The only thing BLU has going for it is flexibility to adapt to any given situation.

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Originally Posted by Rwolf

I think the first step to bettering the feedback community is to stop playing triage with suggestions/feedback. Just because X job is currently worse than Y job doesn't matter regarding feedback. The development team has shown with these quick bountiful updates lately, they can push things out quicker. And even if they couldn't, we should give feedback unbiased and not based on what we think they will or will not do with it. I think that defeats the purpose in and of itself.

It's counter-productive of them to try and produce new spells to make up for large amount of spells already present in the game. Blue Mage's power is in their utility and that's what the job needs to shine again. Utility comes through diverse spell setups and choices allowing quick adaptation. Having the ability to target a monster's physical, magical, and ecosystem weaknesses while also having decent hard to resist breath-type (it's not magical) damage is a huge boon. Also it is a unique form of play that shouldn't be diminished in this recent bout of keeping job identity with the count now at 22. Blue Mage is a weak auto-attack choice over other jobs and I don't agree with continuing to emphasize on that aspect. Auto-attack was meant to be supplemental and slid into being more and more dominant because of spells falling behind.

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BLU is a weak autoattack job compared to monk and NIN, but its not bad by any means compared to all the other jobs. The fact still stands that the auto-attacks will generate still way more dmg then any spells BLU has at its desposal (or any other mages) in high buff situations (capped haste and hit rate). Unless as said previously mages/Blus start "farting out nuclear bombs" out of their arse while nukeing/casting spells, that isnt gonna change ever.

I do agree on more utility from our spellroster by makeing old spells work agian, but lets face it, thats never gonna happen. utility/versatility jobs never won a spot in FFXI, its allways all about the specialists that offer the most flexibility.

here is a thought, sense we have to "Set" our spells why not make all BLU spells instant cast, but increase the recast on them to balance.
That could be a good plan. if cast time is 7 seconds and recast time is 40 make the cast time .1 and the recast 47. :D

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Originally Posted by Damane

[B]FFXI has gigantic flaws that need nerfing if you want to balance the jobs across the board:
1. Formless strikes, it reduces the needs for nukers or magical WSs, makeing them almost redundant
2. The miriads of buffs people can get from brds and cors swaping in and out. For ally content swaping for buffs shouldnt be possible (auto loose buffs)
for PTs: BRD should have never gotten more then 2 songs.
Reason: with the potent buffing BRD has now, there is no reason to bring other jobs that can grant different buffs, or unique debuffs to help the battle (debuffing is for me reversed buffing)
3. base dmg raising after ilvl weapon introduction was flawed, reason: mnk got a 80% base dmg increase going from 99 to ilvl 119, the rest is howevering around a 50% increase AT BEST.
4. haste, its the most OP buff, and its the reason why anythign mage like will NEVER be good enough for content unless the mage starts farting nuclear bombs out of his ass while nukeing/casting any offensiv spells. The more haste melees have the more exponential their dmg goes up. There is no buff that allows that to happen for mages or jobs that cast spells...

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And I agree with you on all these points.

I also think that it's not really going to help, like Rwolf said, to "play triage" with job suggestions. A lot of jobs are hurting, just last week we had an influx of feedback from users in regards to pet jobs, and this week BLU topics have resurfaced. Clearly, you already consider BLU having issues when you said, "NOT only BLU is suffering,..." and I think most of us are just trying to come up with solutions to help create a more diverse pool of jobs and roles, etc within the battle system. And I think that just because we can say that BLU doesn't need adjustments as bad as another job doesn't mean that it's fine that a number of aspects of the job are broken and need correcting.

And given what you said in point 4., you and I both know that the solution to making a more complex battle system is not to just make BLU swing his sword faster and faster.

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Originally Posted by Damane

BLU is a weak autoattack job compared to monk and NIN, but its not bad by any means compared to all the other jobs. The fact still stands that the auto-attacks will generate still way more dmg then any spells BLU has at its desposal (or any other mages) in high buff situations (capped haste and hit rate). Unless as said previously mages/Blus start "farting out nuclear bombs" out of their arse while nukeing/casting spells, that isnt gonna change ever.

I do agree on more utility from our spellroster by makeing old spells work agian, but lets face it, thats never gonna happen. utility/versatility jobs never won a spot in FFXI, its allways all about the specialists that offer the most flexibility.

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I'm not disputing the fact that currently auto-attacks generate more damage than Blue Magic. That's a well known fact. However, that was not always the case especially where we didn't have these high damage weapons in each hand, while capping haste, accuracy and high critical hit rate. Other melee jobs other than Monk and Ninja, can out auto-attack Blue Mage. And if you're counting buffs traits and abilities, then you have to do the same for every other damage dealing job.


"Utility/versatility jobs never won a spot in FFXI" is a bold claim. NIN -ni wheel tactic, RDM in its prime, BRD tanking and pulling, BLU in Nyzul Isle especially concerning soulflayers, are all examples of at one point being desired utility and versatility. Even in Delve when it was alliance level, there were jobs brought for their utility and adaptability to the different bosses. I think you're taking your stance to the extreme and far out of context to prove your point.

There is nothing wrong with increasing Blue Magic to do more damage than auto attacking, even now. Blue Mage still sits at a very limited MP pool sans Mythic, on it's own. I respect your opinion, albeit negative, if you think the development team will never do it, but it is no counterpoint. It is not fact they won't change Blue Mage, it is your own opinion.

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Originally Posted by Damane

Well, at least we have requiescat. Oh wait, monks have formless strikes, nvm.
same applies to nukers, if you want to change it, you have to nerf formless trikes (which is imho a good thing to do)

At least we have nature's meditation, dang nvm that, 60 seconds.
because adloqium, phalanx matter so much nowadays...

Oh! We have enfeebles we can use... but those usually don't ever land. Hmm...
you mean like all those resists RDM WHM and SCH get when yours resist? If the fight allows to stick all mage debuffs, BLU debuffs work too. Those fights tough exist rarely, and mostly mages can only stick 1 TOPs 2 debuffs (not counting in dia), because everythign else insta resists on anything remotly hard. (and dont get me started on hardmission battles on D+)

Cocoon? Other jobs can sub and use.
yeah because so many melees are subbing BLU to up their defense... only for RUN would this make sense and thats pretty situational

Breath spells? Wtf is wrong with those!? Why are they so bad?
nukes on D+ Hardmode mission battlefields, wry are they so bad!!!!! because of fucking innate 50% MDT and like obscene amounts of INT the mob has!!! nuuuuuu

Okay, so most of our spells are terribad except a few that end up being worthless in high buff situations.
EVERY spell/neglectable ability you cast in high buff situations is BAD, because you sacrifice that more DPS due to lock animations etc etc. that accounts for all jobs across the board

Honestly, I don't care for the fact they are going to neglect all our spells just please give us a significant amount of new spells with reasonable costs, job traits we'll use, and a reason to use (not broken).

Thank you.


Now dont get this the wrong, I am all for fixing jobs, but your rant sounded like a crybaby that doesnt see that NOT only BLU is suffering, there is quiet a few of other jobs that suffer the same or worse. I think actually BLU has atm the better end of the stick compared to other jobs (nukers(BLM GEO), THF, DNC, RUN, Pet jobs etc).

FFXI has gigantic flaws that need nerfing if you want to balance the jobs across the board:
1. Formless strikes, it reduces the needs for nukers or magical WSs, makeing them almost redundant
2. The miriads of buffs people can get from brds and cors swaping in and out. For ally content swaping for buffs shouldnt be possible (auto loose buffs)
for PTs: BRD should have never gotten more then 2 songs.
Reason: with the potent buffing BRD has now, there is no reason to bring other jobs that can grant different buffs, or unique debuffs to help the battle (debuffing is for me reversed buffing)
3. base dmg raising after ilvl weapon introduction was flawed, reason: mnk got a 80% base dmg increase going from 99 to ilvl 119, the rest is howevering around a 50% increase AT BEST.
4. haste, its the most OP buff, and its the reason why anythign mage like will NEVER be good enough for content unless the mage starts farting nuclear bombs out of his ass while nukeing/casting any offensiv spells. The more haste melees have the more exponential their dmg goes up. There is no buff that allows that to happen for mages or jobs that cast spells...

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Sorry if my over dramatic post displeased you in some way. I do not understand why you would want to make such a long reply to a little rant trying to get my point across which I see you do all the time.

For some of the reasonable statements:

I agree with nerfing FS, that and mnk's ridiculously higher dmg they get through skill.

Our enfeebles: First, Tourbillion/Barbed Crescent are broken so there's that. Also, any of our debuffs that do land on anything worthwhile almost immediately wear off (Benthic Typhoon, Bilgestorm, Auroral Drape, Demoralizing Roar, our slows, paralyzes, Infrasonics, and most our stuns after 5 times using, if at all). This would be for delve/delve2/AA normal. I understand AA difficult is not for mage's to feel comfortable. I know I did over exaggerate a little on this part. I know blue mages are never invited like other jobs to use their enfeebles. Maybe if Tourbillion actually worked we would be.

Now your other replies do not make much sense. Why are you bitching about my breath spells rant and comparing them to other spells specifically in AA. Breath spells...just suck in every way. Are you really against a breath spell fix?

I just don't understand this reply, dude...Thought you were with us in fixing blu, but evidently you weren't all there during this reply. I know most other jobs are in need of a fix'in, but these are the blu forums. We want blue mage to be successful here.

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Also, any of our debuffs that do land on anything worthwhile almost immediately wear off (Benthic Typhoon, Bilgestorm, Auroral Drape, Demoralizing Roar, our slows, paralyzes, Infrasonics, and most our stuns after 5 times using, if at all). This would be for delve/delve2/AA normal.

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I haven't done AA with BLU, but Delve 1.0 has zero problems with Bilgestorm and Typhoon. I use a hybrid acc / magic acc set for both of them, it's the same set I use for Sudden Lunge. Bilgestorm in particular use's TP to enhance it's duration so it's wise to have 200+ TP and use CA with UL to get max duration on the -25% defense / attack. I can confirm that it lasts well over a minute, I would guess around 90s on Tojil (wish I had more accurate info) and Shark, I can't remember what it was on Bee. BS is a really useful spell to open a big fight with, or to use right before piercing on Tojil for your AL GD spam. In between UL BS's I use BT which has decent damage and the defense effect lasts about a minute. Lots of BLU spells have issues, but BT and BS are both quite good.

With all due respects to my blue mage brethern is rdm ever going to be worked on? The only reasin i can solo un most places is because of trusts and gear it has been along time sence rdm has been what it was

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I haven't done AA with BLU, but Delve 1.0 has zero problems with Bilgestorm and Typhoon. I use a hybrid acc / magic acc set for both of them, it's the same set I use for Sudden Lunge. Bilgestorm in particular use's TP to enhance it's duration so it's wise to have 200+ TP and use CA with UL to get max duration on the -25% defense / attack. I can confirm that it lasts well over a minute, I would guess around 90s on Tojil (wish I had more accurate info) and Shark, I can't remember what it was on Bee. BS is a really useful spell to open a big fight with, or to use right before piercing on Tojil for your AL GD spam. In between UL BS's I use BT which has decent damage and the defense effect lasts about a minute. Lots of BLU spells have issues, but BT and BS are both quite good.

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Oh yah. I was mainly speaking of AA normal; Benthic has an issue where it lasts like a second, same with paralyze. Frightful roar is actually quite decent there though. That's cool though about BS.

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Originally Posted by elqplau

With all due respects to my blue mage brethern is rdm ever going to be worked on? The only reasin i can solo un most places is because of trusts and gear it has been along time sence rdm has been what it was

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I always thought what blu can solo rdm could solo as well.

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Originally Posted by Tennotsukai

Sorry if my over dramatic post displeased you in some way. I do not understand why you would want to make such a long reply to a little rant trying to get my point across which I see you do all the time.

For some of the reasonable statements:

I agree with nerfing FS, that and mnk's ridiculously higher dmg they get through skill.

Our enfeebles: First, Tourbillion/Barbed Crescent are broken so there's that. Also, any of our debuffs that do land on anything worthwhile almost immediately wear off (Benthic Typhoon, Bilgestorm, Auroral Drape, Demoralizing Roar, our slows, paralyzes, Infrasonics, and most our stuns after 5 times using, if at all). This would be for delve/delve2/AA normal. I understand AA difficult is not for mage's to feel comfortable. I know I did over exaggerate a little on this part. I know blue mages are never invited like other jobs to use their enfeebles. Maybe if Tourbillion actually worked we would be.

Now your other replies do not make much sense. Why are you bitching about my breath spells rant and comparing them to other spells specifically in AA. Breath spells...just suck in every way. Are you really against a breath spell fix?

I just don't understand this reply, dude...Thought you were with us in fixing blu, but evidently you weren't all there during this reply. I know most other jobs are in need of a fix'in, but these are the blu forums. We want blue mage to be successful here.

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I am with fixing BLU, but the rant kinda hit a nerve on me, BLU and SCH are 2 of my main jobs. and both jobs share the same issues. Not all debuffs being applicable, nukes/spells sucking as good damage source on anythign remotly hard (Hardmission battles D+/Delve 2.0 etc due to innate MDT or very high INT/meva of mobs). It was like you had a blind eye on the grand scheme that not only BLU is suffering as a caster.

Fact is: not all debuffs are viable in all fights, this accounts for normal debuffers too
Fact is: BLU has (dont ask me why) a very shallow M.acc equipment choice when compared to other mages. Outside of Hagondes with m.acc augments there arent many pieces left, that come even close to some artsieq pieces with the M.acc path or other m.acc pieces from mages. So this plays also largely a role why blu debuffs dont stick either. The BLU spells might be working, but if SCH and RDM cant land their debuffs reliabel with a superior choice of m.acc/enfeeb equipments, how well do you think will BLU land his debuff-spells when they have to run with 50-60 less m.acc because their gear choices are compromised? :/
The root of the problem is in current mob-meva (for the other mages) and on top for blu also on the shallow m.acc/debuff gear choices.
on top of that on any physical blu magic skill that has an additional effect, you need to gear for acc to actually hit the mob and for m.acc to stick the debuff on, so thats another turd to take lol

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Originally Posted by Tennotsukai

I always thought what blu can solo rdm could solo as well.

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no rdm dosnt do enough damage i can still take hate from some one but i dont kill fast enough... expl. Sekret i took down in 15 mins a blue can take it in much less

Has anyone tried some any of our other enfeebles to see if they stick on newer/higher level content? Spells such as: Demoralizing Roar, Embalming Earth, Paralyzing Triad, Benthic Typhoon, Auroral Drape, Frightful Roar, Infrasonics, and maybe Foul Waters?

So far, I've had really good luck with Frightful Roar, Foul Waters, and maybe Embalming Earth on normal AAs but the other spells seem to wear off quite quickly. I'd like to know if they are decent in Delve, WKR, or other battlefields.

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Originally Posted by Tennotsukai

Has anyone tried some any of our other enfeebles to see if they stick on newer/higher level content? Spells such as: Demoralizing Roar, Embalming Earth, Paralyzing Triad, Benthic Typhoon, Auroral Drape, Frightful Roar, Infrasonics, and maybe Foul Waters?

So far, I've had really good luck with Frightful Roar, Foul Waters, and maybe Embalming Earth on normal AAs but the other spells seem to wear off quite quickly. I'd like to know if they are decent in Delve, WKR, or other battlefields.

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Frightful Roar is moderately reliable. Whatever code that makes this spell work, works.

Auroral Drape lasts about 45 seconds on mobs out in Marjami Ravine. Consistently, too, because I see the chat log spam from all the mobs that lose the silence and blind. I've never been able to land that on anything remotely high level. Also Cimicine Discharge was fully resisted during normal AA's, never once landed despite repeated attempts. However Filamented Hold would stick 100%, it just lasts for a total of like 1 minute (approximate guess) so you have to babysit the debuff.

I just wish we got some kind of official statement from community team or in a dev post that "THIS IS HOW BLUE MAGE WAS DESIGNED" and i'll accept the fact that debuffs are short term inaccurate mostly waste of time on anything high level spells and simply move on; just like i've come to terms with breath spells and almost anything magical on BLU where it should matter.

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Originally Posted by Sixtythree

i've come to terms with breath spells and almost anything magical on BLU where it should matter.

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Even with Anahera Saber? And what about if Tamaxchi is used in the off-hand, does the magic damage+ still apply and stack with the saber?

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Originally Posted by Sixtythree

Frightful Roar is moderately reliable. Whatever code that makes this spell work, works.

Auroral Drape lasts about 45 seconds on mobs out in Marjami Ravine. Consistently, too, because I see the chat log spam from all the mobs that lose the silence and blind. I\\'ve never been able to land that on anything remotely high level. Also Cimicine Discharge was fully resisted during normal AA\\'s, never once landed despite repeated attempts. However Filamented Hold would stick 100%, it just lasts for a total of like 1 minute (approximate guess) so you have to babysit the debuff.

I just wish we got some kind of official statement from community team or in a dev post that "THIS IS HOW BLUE MAGE WAS DESIGNED" and i\\'ll accept the fact that debuffs are short term inaccurate mostly waste of time on anything high level spells and simply move on; just like i\\'ve come to terms with breath spells and almost anything magical on BLU where it should matter.

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Wow, thanks for the info. Hopefully blu will receive some new spells in the next couple of months that aren't so flawed. Since rdm is getting new spells, perhaps blu spells will come after.

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Even with Anahera Saber? And what about if Tamaxchi is used in the off-hand, does the magic damage+ still apply and stack with the saber?

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There's nothing practical about a spell that takes 10 seconds to cast (especially if you're in the front line), costs 200MP and does about 2000 damage. My statement is rough enough you could sand wood but you get what i'm saying. I know some magical spells can be used for magic burst and some BLU's do have some very cool builds but in practice it really just isn't practical.

The only spell I'm curious of is Wind Breath. Maybe it's another dud but it has very low MP cost and recast; one can only wonder if any use can come from it.

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Originally Posted by Tennotsukai

Wow, thanks for the info. Hopefully blu will receive some new spells in the next couple of months that aren't so flawed. Since rdm is getting new spells, perhaps blu spells will come after.

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It was confirmed we'll be getting new spells :) it's in the official FFXI page!

I was just wondering if your guys have seen or been to this forum page Here and then back to the thread were at now yet? I was also wondering if this thread is a take-off from that thread as well?

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Originally Posted by Sixtythree

There's nothing practical about a spell that takes 10 seconds to cast (especially if you're in the front line), costs 200MP and does about 2000 damage. My statement is rough enough you could sand wood but you get what i'm saying. I know some magical spells can be used for magic burst and some BLU's do have some very cool builds but in practice it really just isn't practical.

The only spell I'm curious of is Wind Breath. Maybe it's another dud but it has very low MP cost and recast; one can only wonder if any use can come from it.



It was confirmed we'll be getting new spells :) it's in the official FFXI page!

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The new light based spell from eyeballs is quite nice. Same with the wind spell. They both are instant cast with high fTP and dINT x 2, though no WSC's. You pretty much stack as much MDMG as possible and blast things.

I saw a BLU the other day spamming Temp. Upheaval on multiple mobs to 'aga' them... I wondered if that was efficient too.

P.S. Retinal Glare is the light one, I assume?

Temp. Upheaval is nice, it's not as efficient as Frypan as far as MP and certainly not as powerful as Whirl of Rage but it has the quickest recast. If you're playing around in Abyssea especially, it's a great spell.

Where can you learn Retinal Glare? One of last couple spells I don't have and not to change the subject but if anyone could ninja-sneak in an answer I would be grateful ^-^;

You get glare off those little eye mobs. They pop in moh gates, hunting grounds and in the Weald. Easiest camp is in moh gates.

I love Temp. Upheaval. It's perfect for cleaving mobs outside abyssea. I usually thunderbolt to temp to embalming to temp again.

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Originally Posted by Babekeke

I saw a BLU the other day spamming Temp. Upheaval on multiple mobs to 'aga' them... I wondered if that was efficient too.

P.S. Retinal Glare is the light one, I assume?

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temp. upheaval has decent dmg, whisker does more, BUT temp. upheaval has such a low cast and recast time. So it works well for AoE burn.

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Originally Posted by Damane

temp. upheaval has decent dmg, whisker does more, BUT temp. upheaval has such a low cast and recast time. So it works well for AoE burn.

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133MP is low!?

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Temp. Upheaval is nice, it's not as efficient as Frypan as far as MP and certainly not as powerful as Whirl of Rage but it has the quickest recast. If you're playing around in Abyssea especially, it's a great spell.

Where can you learn Retinal Glare? One of last couple spells I don't have and not to change the subject but if anyone could ninja-sneak in an answer I would be grateful ^-^;

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You need to work on your gearsets. Also you realize you just confused a magic and a physical spell. Frypan and WoR are physical spells and use a different formula then R.Glare or T.Upheaval. Those last two you need +M.DMG equipment, especially on the weapons. With the AA Sword and / or the 119 Club you can get big numbers, especially when you factor in Glare's 26MP cost and low cast/recast.

Looks like one of our new spells will be a lot like Temp. Upheaval. This spell, Subduction, has a low recast just like temp, so I guess SE really likes how we blu's handle numerous enemies at once. Forgot to mention it has gravity as additional added effect.

On a side note, I'm really looking forward to the two other spells we'll be receiving: Errative Flutter and Thrashing Assault. Pretty sure that Erratic Flutter will be our haste 2 and Thrashing Assault will be our best damaging spell.

Hopefully, we'll get more than just 3 spells. Just 3 do not sound like the word they used in the update notes, plethora. Perhaps, more spells will come a later update :)

I'm not sure if this is new or not, but since they were not mentioned on Bluegart I'll post them here.


Accuracy Bonus III: (Accuracy +35)
Each Tier requires 8 points towards Accuracy Bonus, so you need 24 in total.
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Attack Bonus III: (Attack+35)
Each Tier requires 8 points towards Attack Bonus, so you need 24 in total.

Magic Attack Bonus III (MAB+28)
Each Tier requires 8 points towards Magic Attack Bonus, so you need 24 in total.

Defense Bonus II (DEF+22)
Each Tier requires 8 points towards Defense Bonus, so you need 16 in total.

Evasion Bonus II (EVA+22)
Each Tier requires 8 points towards Evasion Bonus, so you need 16 in total.
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Fast Cast II
Fast cast is a strange one. Someone feel free to make corrections if I calculated this wrong.

Blue Mage starts from Fast Cast 0 (Cast Time-5%/Recast-2.5%), and can gain up to Fast Cast II. But this is silly, because it forces us to spend 24 points for Tier II, when most of the other traits only require 16 points for Tier II.

In any event I did this test using metallic body recast time.

Fast Cast 0:
Requires 8 Points towards Fast Cast
Cast Time-5% / Recast-2.5%
metallic body recast down to 58s

Fast Cast I:
Requires 16 Points towards Fast Cast
Cast Time-10% / Recast-5%
metallic body recast down to 57s

Fast Cast II:
Requires 24 Points towards Fast Cast
Cast Time -15% / Recast-7.5%
metallic body recast down to 55s

For Magic Attack Bonus - why did you only list Magic Attack Bonus III - cant we achieve Magic Attack Bonus V now, or is there a hidden cap?

Cursed Sphere(4),Sound Blast(4),Eyes On Me(4),Memento Mori(4),Heat Breath(4),Reactor Cool(4),Magic Hammer(4),Dream Flower(4),Erratic Flutter(8)

Same applies for attack bonus - we should be able to achieve Attack Bonus IV?

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For Magic Attack Bonus - why did you only list Magic Attack Bonus III - cant we achieve Magic Attack Bonus V now, or is there a hidden cap?

Cursed Sphere(4),Sound Blast(4),Eyes On Me(4),Memento Mori(4),Heat Breath(4),Reactor Cool(4),Magic Hammer(4),Dream Flower(4),Erratic Flutter(8)

Same applies for attack bonus - we should be able to achieve Attack Bonus IV?

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Feel free to re-check them, but from what I found, the Tiers listed were the maximum tier I could achieve even when setting every single spell available for that particular trait.

IE. My attack went from 190 to 225 when setting every single spell that grants Attack Bonus and accounting for the "+STR" set bonuses. This is equivalent to Attack Bonus III even though in theory I should be getting Attack Bonus IV.

Same holds true for Magic Attack Bonus III.
Tem. Upheaval deals 562 damage nude with no spells equipped. If I equip all spells for Magic Attack Bonus V, and Account for the INT+10 from set bonuses, Tem. Upheaval deals only 719 damage (+28% = MAB III).

Accuracy Bonus Caps at Tier 3, while Evasion and Defense Bonus both cap at tier 2.

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Originally Posted by Mavrick

Feel free to re-check them, but from what I found, the Tiers listed were the maximum tier I could achieve even when setting every single spell available for that particular trait.

IE. My attack went from 190 to 225 when setting every single spell that grants Attack Bonus and accounting for the "+STR" set bonuses. This is equivalent to Attack Bonus III even though in theory I should be getting Attack Bonus IV.

Same holds true for Magic Attack Bonus III.
Tem. Upheaval deals 562 damage nude with no spells equipped. If I equip all spells for Magic Attack Bonus V, and Account for the INT+10 from set bonuses, Tem. Upheaval deals only 719 damage (+28% = MAB III).

Accuracy Bonus Caps at Tier 3, while Evasion and Defense Bonus both cap at tier 2.

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Thanks for figuring that out.

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Originally Posted by Mavrick

Feel free to re-check them, but from what I found, the Tiers listed were the maximum tier I could achieve even when setting every single spell available for that particular trait.

IE. My attack went from 190 to 225 when setting every single spell that grants Attack Bonus and accounting for the "+STR" set bonuses. This is equivalent to Attack Bonus III even though in theory I should be getting Attack Bonus IV.

Same holds true for Magic Attack Bonus III.
Tem. Upheaval deals 562 damage nude with no spells equipped. If I equip all spells for Magic Attack Bonus V, and Account for the INT+10 from set bonuses, Tem. Upheaval deals only 719 damage (+28% = MAB III).

Accuracy Bonus Caps at Tier 3, while Evasion and Defense Bonus both cap at tier 2.

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Thank you, this is great information.

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Feel free to re-check them, but from what I found, the Tiers listed were the maximum tier I could achieve even when setting every single spell available for that particular trait.

IE. My attack went from 190 to 225 when setting every single spell that grants Attack Bonus and accounting for the "+STR" set bonuses. This is equivalent to Attack Bonus III even though in theory I should be getting Attack Bonus IV.

Same holds true for Magic Attack Bonus III.
Tem. Upheaval deals 562 damage nude with no spells equipped. If I equip all spells for Magic Attack Bonus V, and Account for the INT+10 from set bonuses, Tem. Upheaval deals only 719 damage (+28% = MAB III).

Accuracy Bonus Caps at Tier 3, while Evasion and Defense Bonus both cap at tier 2.

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thats kinda shitty ._., wouldd have been nice if they would have gone higher up for more situational customization, but alas still better then how it was previously

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

One of the core design concepts for blue magic is based around the fact that as you level up, more powerful spells will become available. Due to this, the development team would prefer to focus on adding new blue magic at the higher-level tiers rather than to adjust low-level spells. However, they are aware that there is a limited variety of single-target physical blue magic and support-type blue magic in the high-level tier so they are planning to add more, but it will take some time until they become available.

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One of the core design concepts for black mage is based around the fact that as you level up, more powerful spells will become available. Due to this, they constantly spam Stone1 to deal the most efficient damage over time...(By comparing this statement to black mage, you can tell it's rather rediculous)

Also, if you intended older spells to become obsolete as newer spells are obtained, why do higher traits (the good, used ones) often still require lower level spells to be equipped to obtain the higher trait tiers?

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Originally Posted by Selindrile

One of the core design concepts for black mage is based around the fact that as you level up, more powerful spells will become available. Due to this, they constantly spam Stone1 to deal the most efficient damage over time...(By comparing this statement to black mage, you can tell it's rather rediculous)

Also, if you intended older spells to become obsolete as newer spells are obtained, why do higher traits (the good, used ones) often still require lower level spells to be equipped to obtain the higher trait tiers?

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Just the same if they intended for older spells to become obsolete they mize well of given blues a delete old learned spells feature for the newer spells they intend to keep on giving us instead of them just sitting there forever in the void and this much is just like: laugh out loud, you took forever to learn those older spell's at lower levels, well now it's worthless->lol. It is as they kind of have an idea where newer players could skip learning the older spells and speed level to 99 and just pick up the newer level supposedly better spells that replaced all of the useless now older spells >_<;; by taking this route in truth. Wow! Okay, yeah sure thing....

Not to mention, "One of the design concepts things about levelling a job, is unlocking new weaponskills that are much more powerful than old ones! Which is why we just buffed the crap out of all the old weaponskills." wait, what?

And yet they say this to both Blu and Bst (Who have recently asked for all jug pets to no longer be level capped, which is I think a fantastic idea) "one of the design strategies is that as you level, you get access to stronger versions of certain types of things", it's just often, and hilariously untrue.

It makes sense to me really, the 'broken' spells perhaps aren't that useful in the lower levels but they're there if you need them. Blue Mage has a vast collection of spells and the idea is that you constantly update your strategy and repertoire to suit the situation, meaning stronger attack spells and so on. It's unique compared to other mage classes in that sense, because Black Mage still has a good usage for their low level spells. I don't think that's a necessity it's just a difference between the classes. While there are some spells that I think should be fixed, ultimately I agree with Square on their explanation.

I think Blue Mage has got a lot of attention and buffs recently and it's fantastic, so I am not about to complain about it.

Can we do something about pyric bulwark? The July update says: The name of the blue magic spell Pyric Bulwark has been adjusted to Polar Bulwark. (Added on 7/15/2014)

But it hasn't (at least in the english patch updates), and it still does the same thing. The only thing they did was change the element from ice to light (which doesn't do anything).

Maybe they should change the spell so it actually IS polar bulwark, the magic nullifying spell. Nullifying one HIT of physical damage doesn't do much. If it lasted for a set period of time, I'd use it. If it was like sentinel, or rampart, I'd use it. If it was a mini-invincible I'd use it. If it nullified magic damage instead of physical damage, I'd consider using it, because magic usually hits harder than physical hits from mobs. Right now, I'd rather use bloodrake to get my HP full in one spell, than a spell that'll just nullify the next melee swing, even if I use diffusion to give it to the whole party.

Should be changed to be a Migawari effect for 30 seconds, if damage exceeds 50% of your max HP, the damage is nullified. Lasts until it wears off or an attack of that caliber hits you.

I'm actually looking forward to newer or redone spells through newer spells and even though I forgot all i wanted to say in this one post, i'm looking forward to more AoE buff up spells that cover the party but not only your party/trust party but a few new spells that could reach the alliances if there ever formed or should i say when they are formed. Hopefully I can remember the other spells I was thinking on that could be added to edit them in my post later again. Natural Meditation spell seems to fade away rather quickly specially if you buff up and recover mp old fashioned style-{/heal} then go about your business of the battle ahead.