A Suggestion From The Pet Job Community: Stop Ignoring Us and Listen To Our Plea.

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Originally Posted by Grimlocke

I'm just going to keep against this one. Solo jobs arent the best thing for mmorpgs. But by all means if SE wants to run off whats left of its playerbase,
keep focusing on non team oriented content. There are plenty of well thought out posts in professional mmo forums describing why this is a bad thing
for most modern mmorpgs.

"I can't solo delve content with my pet!" ahh you poor things.. I swore that content was'nt ment to do alone.


SE if you havent noticed the same 5 names spam these forums, and usally focus around their own needs.

Grim~

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I'm going to start by saying that I agree with your point that solo jobs aren't a good thing on mmorpgs. I don't necessarily think they shouldn't exist in them, but I also don't see the point of having a massive multi-player game if there is literally no interaction between other players. It might as well be a single player offline game.

Now to my bigger point, did you actually read the original post clearly? The main point of this thread was to make it so that pet jobs will be less solo oriented and to actually enable them to participate in group content with other players, not promote them even more to solo. I understand your point that by over powering pet jobs, they will be more apt to solo on their own because they can do everything, but nothing that was mentioned as a suggestion to make it easier for pets job to participate in group content can make them possibly more powerful alone. Let me break it down:

Pets being able to be cured with healing magic and waltzes:

In order for a pet to receive cures, they will have to be in the presence of other players who are mages. This means that the player is no longer soloing but participating with other players to be healed. If a pet job were to utilize /WHM /RDM /SCH /DNC or /Mage etc. on the other hand, even this is not overpowering. Any pet job besides SMN that would /Mage would only have a maximum of maybe 200~400 MP? That's not going to go a very far in the long run. If a pet job subs DNC, they're draining their TP keeping their pet alive instead of weapon skilling. Will this enable them to be able to solo Tojil because they can cure their pet, I don't think so but you can prove me wrong.

Pet jobs being able to receive BRD/COR/GEO/Etc. buffs

The only way a pet job will get these buffs are if they are in a party, not if they're solo. So again, there's a hole in your argument. If a pet job goes /COR, /BRD, /GEO... Enjoy having weak songs applied to your pets, or a few select rolls from /COR that is completely useless in comparison to something more practical like /WAR or /NIN... And don't get me started on /GEO...

Pets receiving buffs like Protect/Shell/Haste/Etc.

Ok seriously? This is going to break the game? My pet can solo Tojil or Dakuwaqa or AA or Very difficult now because he has an additional 175 Defense from Protect V that again has to be casted by another player which again is no soloing.

Every single one of these suggestions promotes teamwork and gives pet jobs the boost that they need... None of it is game breaking and none of it is going to be pet jobs even more of a 'solo' job. Quite frankly, not having these types of buffs is part of the reason why they're solo jobs.

I'm not a fan of targeting people specifically, but quite frankly you've been picking a fight from the beginning of this thread when you kept referring to people as 'Wiki' readers.

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Originally Posted by Grimlocke

"Maybe you should think outside of the box." Perhaps you are a wiki person? I dont read wiki's I make them.

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Edit: Also that was the most condescending thing I have ever heard in my life, and honestly if I knew you, I'd make you apologize to Olor.

It's quite frankly funny because you talk so much about Beastmaster but you explicitly say I've 'watched' and not I've played...

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Originally Posted by Grimlocke

Ive personally seen 2 beast clean the clock of SKNM difficult.
I watched the voidwrought decontructer guy go down with ease to one.

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First of all that is like lvl 113 content, anyone can solo SKCNM, and have you ever heard of displacers? Anyone can solo any VWNM with 5 displacer on. We are talking about Ilvl 119 + content that requires copious amounts of accuracy that pet jobs simply do not have. Secondly, You sound like the biggest wiki reader to me, you're preaching about BST doing voidwrought and SKNM difficult solo which you didn't personally do yourself. Go play the job and that content and then come back to us and tell us how easy it was.

Honestly I love the fact that you're playing the antagonist of the thread because it allows for us to point out the the idiotic excuses crossing the minds of the game developers as for why doing something like this isn't possible, but there comes a time when enough is enough. It's people like you who have been holding FFXI back forever because either they've never played the jobs and feel they have credible opinions or they're not smart enough to to actually read the original post comprehensively. You literally said this:

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Originally Posted by Grimlocke

I actually think of beast as a great party member, not just a soloer. That's half of my frustraition right there. I think if they were treated like roles in a party
half these issues wouldnt be as bad.

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You're an advocate for BST being a party job yet, you're literally stifling any sort of chance for BST to potentially be accepted as a party job. If players cannot help keep a pet alive that can barely survive as is, and if the pet can't hit, why will they waste their time inviting it to Ilvl 119+ content? If you actually play the job, you'll realize how tough it is to play and how utterly useless it in any important content.

Even if I wrote the most convincing post that was 100% true and had no holes, I doubt you'd ever swallow your pride and admit it, so I'm not even going to waste my time hoping to get you to see the light, but I just hope this serves as an example to everyone as to why pets jobs are in the place we are today. And, Grimlocke, if you think you have a better suggestion as to how to save PUP, BST, SMN, and DRG from it's lonely road of solitude, be my guest and tell us your brilliant plan... I can't wait to hear it so I can go:

I'm just going to keep against this one.

~Jinzha.

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Originally Posted by Grimlocke

You are correct, I was a litle bit off there. but still, focusing on pet buffs should be back burner when alot of other jobs
are in great need of some kind of buff. Smn,Pup,Drg,Rdm,Drk just off the top of my head.

If people were to use beast to do group content, I wouldnt mind so much. But as it is 99% of all beast solo. So buffing
beast will only make them better soloers, and take away more people from the party pool. Making more soloing in a Mmorpg
is a bad thing, for people who like to do group content. There are many posts done by professionals that show trending in
current markets that show this.

Grim~

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Originally Posted by Grimlocke

You are correct, I was a litle bit off there.

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Oh ya, just a little bit? Ok.

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Originally Posted by Grimlocke

but still, focusing on pet buffs should be back burner when alot of other jobs
are in great need of some kind of buff. Smn,Pup,Drg,Rdm,Drk just off the top of my head.

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Seriously will someone tell me how hard it is to allow pets to be buffed? Is it really going to take up all the time of the game developers to buff a pet? If they can allow trust npcs to be buffed, I'm pretty sure they can program pets into buffs easily.

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Originally Posted by Grimlocke

There are many posts done by professionals that show trending in
current markets that show this.

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Again, tell me who sounds like the wiki reader here? Why don't you prove it yourself, hot shot. Remember you don't read things, you create them.

There was a time that drain samba affected pets so I don't think it'll be that hard.

What you seem to be missing Grim is this specific suggestion needs to be implemented so pet jobs will be welcome in parties doing important content where they are not currently welcome.

Also I'd like to point out that this change would also help GEOMANCER as Luopans could benefit from protect and shell etc. since they are counted as pets. Since they currently break when you look at them too hard, this would at least help a bit.

Four score and seven years ago, or at least it feels that way, the game developers of Final Fantasy XI brought forth on Vana'diel a world, conceived in magic, and dedicated to the proposition that all jobs were created equally useful. But as time had passed and the times of war had ceased in Vana'diel, the lands were no longer abundant with adventures; for many had moved on to other fantasies. In hope to revitalize the lands once filled with purpose and peril, the old game developers were replaced with the new. From Abyssean lands to Adoulian Isles, the remaining adventurers were occupied with new obstacles to overcome in which the game developers believed would win again their players' loyalty and dedication. However, the developers, once revered as Gods, forgot their one unspoken promise that had been upheld many years ago: to protect the equality of all jobs. The game developers, although aware of their grave mistake, continued on throwing new spoils at their players hoping that the Lethe waters of time would wash away the people's memories of their vow. The people may have forgotten, but the lands had not. The world's diversity had faded over time as battles called forth stricter strategies. People began to only practice the professions of Monk, Bard, Corsair, and a few others because the other classes could no longer help fend away the new mighty foes of Vana'diel. Some of the unpopular classes have survived to this day, but four classes in particular now stand at the brink of extinction. Beastmaster, Puppetmaster, Summoner, and Dragoon, may now be of ancient practice, but a few brave Vana'delians have decided to stand against their Gods, the game developers, and fight for a world where even their kind can exist too.

Today I would like to announce the Declaration of the Pet Job Equal Rights Movement! Pet jobs have been forgotten for too long, and it's time that we stand up together and fight to make our jobs better and more useful in group content so that we can enjoy any form of content on the jobs that we love.

The only way the pet job community is going to get their questions answered and their problems solved, is if we work together to do so. This means commenting, posting, and also liking those comments and posts if we do. Some posts get over thousands of views but only a handful of people actually like them. If you agree with a post, like it... it will show the game developers that the people really want something to happen. We have been asking the game developers for far too long to fix our problems and they just aren't listening and they're not answering. So let's make them listen and answer. Let's show them that we're tired of suggesting things but never being heard.

This thread isn't just about giving pets access to cures and buffs, but to make our four jobs more useful and more needed. Whether that that is by giving our pets more accuracy, more attack, or more defense, we simply want a solution to our problems so that we can all participate in all content. So start asking questions and demanding answers whether it be about giving pets access to cures and buffs or fixing the ridiculous timer on call beast...

The game developers have stood silent for far too long! And although this post may sound cheesy as hell, this is our opportunity to show them that we mean business. Let's make them talk!

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Originally Posted by Shinron-PUP

Four score and seven years ago, or at least it feels that way, the game developers of Final Fantasy XI brought forth on Vana'diel a world, conceived in magic, and dedicated to the proposition that all jobs were created equally useful. But as time had passed and the times of war had ceased in Vana'diel, the lands were no longer abundant with adventures; for many had moved on to other fantasies. In hope to revitalize the lands once filled with purpose and peril, the old game developers were replaced with the new. From Abyssean lands to Adoulian Isles, the remaining adventurers were occupied with new obstacles to overcome in which the game developers believed would win again their players' loyalty and dedication. However, the developers, once revered as Gods, forgot their one unspoken promise that had been upheld many years ago: to protect the equality of all jobs. The game developers, although aware of their grave mistake, continued on throwing new spoils at their players hoping that the Lethe waters of time would wash away the people's memories of their vow. The people may have forgotten, but the lands had not. The world's diversity had faded over time as battles called forth stricter strategies. People began to only practice the professions of Monk, Bard, Corsair, and a few others because the other classes could no longer help fend away the new mighty foes of Vana'diel. Some of the unpopular classes have survived to this day, but four classes in particular now stand at the brink of extinction. Beastmaster, Puppetmaster, Summoner, and Dragoon, may now be of ancient practice, but a few brave Vana'delians have decided to stand against their Gods, the game developers, and fight for a world where even their kind can exist too.

Today I would like to announce the Declaration of the Pet Job Equal Rights Movement! Pet jobs have been forgotten for too long, and it's time that we stand up together and fight to make our jobs better and more useful in group content so that we can enjoy any form of content on the jobs that we love.

The only way the pet job community is going to get their questions answered and their problems solved, is if we work together to do so. This means commenting, posting, and also liking those comments and posts if we do. Some posts get over thousands of views but only a handful of people actually like them. If you agree with a post, like it... it will show the game developers that the people really want something to happen. We have been asking the game developers for far too long to fix our problems and they just aren't listening and they're not answering. So let's make them listen and answer. Let's show them that we're tired of suggesting things but never being heard.

This thread isn't just about giving pets access to cures and buffs, but to make our four jobs more useful and more needed. Whether that that is by giving our pets more accuracy, more attack, or more defense, we simply want a solution to our problems so that we can all participate in all content. So start asking questions and demanding answers whether it be about giving pets access to cures and buffs or fixing the ridiculous timer on call beast...

The game developers have stood silent for far too long! And although this post may sound cheesy as hell, this is our opportunity to show them that we mean business. Let's make them talk!

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What about my Geomancer ? :_: our luopans are considered pets by the ingame mechanics we need pet job love lol.

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Originally Posted by Brightshadow

What about my Geomancer ? :_: our luopans are considered pets by the ingame mechanics we need pet job love lol.

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Equal rights don't extend to the geomancer kind! Just kidding. I was going to mention Geomancer in light of Olor's comment earlier, but I wanted to emphasize the main four pet job classes because although Geomancer is struggling with its Loupons, it's still used often in group content in comparison to the rest of the five pet classes. Olor's comment kind of correlates with what you're saying...

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Originally Posted by Olor

Also I'd like to point out that this change would also help GEOMANCER as Luopans could benefit from protect and shell etc. since they are counted as pets. Since they currently break when you look at them too hard, this would at least help a bit.

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By allowing pets to be cured and buffed, Loupons would definitely benefit a great deal from this. Not only would Loupons be able to receive protect, shell, phalanx II, and stoneskin via accession as well as an assortment of other protective spells like Sentinel's Scherzo from Bard, Geomancers could use healing magic as a second resort to keeping their loupons alive when things get rough. This would create less of an emphasis on damage taken down approach that the game developers are looking at right now to keep Loupons alive, although the combination of damage taken -, buffs, and cures would ultimately solve the issue.

I actually think it'll be interesting if we could also heal our luopans by casting the correct elemental magic spells on it.

I think luopans will be OK in the long run, they only really need to slap some good -luopan damage taken on some gear and it's a problem fixed.

Pet job buffs, more job equality <Yes, please>
SE has been giving us some good adjustments and drops since Delve 1.0, but it's useless when you can't even get in the content on those jobs without having the drop already. ("No Upukirex? Sorry, no Ceizak clear for you")
The jobs just under-perform, suffer from JA delays, and the pets can't hit anything or stay alive.
Why are there even 22 jobs in this game at all if only 5 or 6 can access content?
I suppose the lackluster JSE weapons are the answer for those of us who are excluded, yet for the gil I'd spend I could probably buy a Delve win anyway ...
If the content is so "easy" that parties can carry leeches, then why the hell can't a pet job player come and actually play the game?

Grimlocke, I apologize for the crudeness of my comments towards you, and I'll admit that I did lash out at you because I felt you deserved it. I think comments like the ones I made against you are exactly why these forums aren't very successful because people fail to respect the opinions of others. I bullied you the same way that you bullied others with your comments, and discouraged you from being able to comment in a friendly environment. However, don't think that my apology means that you did nothing wrong. The point of these threads are to contribute insightful comments and suggestions that the game developers can use to create a road map for making the game better, and by saying some of the condescending and bias and stubborn things you said gets no one nowhere. I wouldn't have gone back on what I said to ask for a truce if I didn't think that there was a important lesson to be learned for everyone in this forum. I neglected to think about who I could have been talking to... For all I know you could have been only twelve or thirteen years old and here I am scolding you and making you feel unwelcome in a place that should be free for everyone to comment and let their voices be heard. I'm not insulting you and saying you're twelve, I'm just saying that none of us know who is on the other side of the screen and none of us know how that person feels or what that person may be going through. And I should have personally known better not to make anyone feel bad no matter who they are for what they may have said because I do the same thing too. So I will say that although I disagree with your opinions, I respect what you have said, and you shouldn't feel like you can't comment in the forums because of our clash.

It's not you, it's him. I'm just surprised he continued to post on these forums after he said he would stop; after his I'm not going to try and have the rest of the forum try to understand why I want to buy SoA straight from PoL without any real explanation thread.

Guess I will not renew this month due to again not being able to play Beastmaster as main. May come back when pet jobs are buffed to everyone's standards for end game activities.

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Originally Posted by Brightshadow

I actually think it'll be interesting if we could also heal our luopans by casting the correct elemental magic spells on it.

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I actually think that's a good idea because then Geomancers wouldn't necessarily need to sub WHM, RDM, or SCH in order to heal their pets. Could heal Luopans anytime through elemental magic, and granted tier 1 elemental magic does so much now, you could probably cure a luopan with just a couple low mp nukes.

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Originally Posted by Jinzha

Grimlocke, I apologize for the crudeness of my comments towards you

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It looks like he just decided to nuke his account by deleting every post he could, except the thread he started. Apparently the apology won't be read. I wonder if the moderators could restore his posts so at least people can get the full conversation.

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Originally Posted by bungiefanNA

It looks like he just decided to nuke his account by deleting every post he could, except the thread he started. Apparently the apology won't be read. I wonder if the moderators could restore his posts so at least people can get the full conversation.

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Ya he deleted all his posts before I made my 'apology' comment, but I'm sure he seen my post. I Doubt he wouldn't stick around for a little while longer to see how everyone responded to his rage quit. But I said what I said and I meant it. I feel bad that we all sort of ganged up on him and made him feel like he can't post here anymore, but he was asking for it.

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Originally Posted by Jinzha

Ya he deleted all his posts before I made my 'apology' comment, but I'm sure he seen my post. I Doubt he wouldn't stick around for a little while longer to see how everyone responded to his rage quit. But I said what I said and I meant it. I feel bad that we all sort of ganged up on him and made him feel like he can't post here anymore, but he was asking for it.

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Why apologize? He was trolling and it was annoying. Personally, I'm glad you put him in his place.

I'm a bit disappointed that two weeks after the creation of this thread we still have yet to see any sort of response by the Forum Leaders, although we clearly asked that this was a topic that we absolutely wanted some feed back on. Of course this isn't a big surprise, there're probably hundreds of suggestions made by the pet job community that probably didn't even get looked at. But seriously? 33 likes on the OP and counting and that's not enough to jolt some attention? Honestly that's more likes than I've ever seen any game developers or even Camate ever get in the NA forums. I'd like to ask everyone in the forum: Do you guys think that they're purposely not responding to this thread because its too controversial and they know that it's the most logical solution but they don't want to do it? I feel like Kaiichi was on to something:

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Originally Posted by Kaiichi

After reading this thread closely, you all have good points, and that is why SE is standing silent; there is too much conservancy on the matter. .

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Has anyone else noticed that typically the only time a thread is responded to is if the game developers already intended to add that suggestion or are asking for suggestions themselves? I'm starting to believe that the forums are giving the false illusion that the game developers are listening to our opinions, but are actually just doing what they want to do and not what we all would like to have happen at the end of the day.

We asked clearly that all we want is a response. It could be telling us that they have reviewed our suggestions, or that they do or do not want to implement these types of suggestions. If we don't get a response how are we supposed to know if the suggestion was ever even looked at. I feel like a thread like this would probably have been responded to already if we were in the JP forums and not NA, and it's a bit frustrating that just because we have a smaller player base, our opinions aren't equivalent to a Japanese player's. I'd like to know what you guys think:

- Do Japanese players get responded to more than NA players?
- Are the game developers purposely not responding to us?
- Are we wasting our time in the end?

Just like Alhanelem said, the game developers keep coming up with half baked solutions to problems that could be fixed so easily...

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Several abilities and effects have been added to pets over the years specifically to help deal with their inability to stay alive, but they are all bandaid solutions that required work to make when they could have taken a much simpler route to solve the problem.

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I'm a career Puppetmaster, and because I do a lot of end game content, I always need Automaton Repair Oils and Dawn Mulsims. I've spent over 30 million gil in oils and mulsims in all the time I've been playing PUP. Can you honestly tell me that this is practical when I could have been using cures and waltzes that would have cost me nothing?

I'm not saying that pets being able to receive healing magic and buffs from other players are the only solutions to solving our issues with keeping our pets alive and being useful in group content. Peepiopi had a good point that FFXIV has been using that is making pet survive better.

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Originally Posted by Peepiopi

If anything, Pets just need a flat 90% indirect damage reduction. They die too easily in relevant content.

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Maybe we don't need a flat 90%, but some indirect damage annullment could go a long when in fixing our pets death rates.

If you guys have other ideas that you believe would make pet jobs more useful in group content, make a post a let us all know. We need all the good ideas we can get because the game developers clearly don't have any.

Honestly I think the language barrier is the biggest obstacle to overcome with getting your ideas to the devs. It would probably be a good idea for someone that is good at translating between English and Japanese to compile all the good ideas from this thread, translate them into Japanese and post them all on their side of the forums.

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Originally Posted by Gannon

Honestly I think the language barrier is the biggest obstacle to overcome with getting your ideas to the devs. It would probably be a good idea for someone that is good at translating between English and Japanese to compile all the good ideas from this thread, translate them into Japanese and post them all on their side of the forums.

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Well I hate to say this but if that really is their biggest problem then they aren't a very good company at all or at least not as good as they try to portray themselves to be. Even small companies make sure to have multilingual employees and definitely hire multilingual people to work the forums. Remember there are still some French, Spanish, Chinese etc, gamers playing they've got to be able to communicate to them too if not I don't know if I'm even going to keep supporting them. Why when if I hablo espanol you say sorry Japanese, English or gtfo?

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Well I hate to say this but if that really is their biggest problem then they aren't a very good company at all or at least not as good as they try to portray themselves to be. Even small companies make sure to have multilingual employees and definitely hire multilingual people to work the forums. Remember there are still some French, Spanish, Chinese etc, gamers playing they've got to be able to communicate to them too if not I don't know if I'm even going to keep supporting them. Why when if I hablo espanol you say sorry Japanese, English or gtfo?

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It's not that SE doesn't have multilingual employees on staff, pretty sure the community reps at least know Japanese. The problem is the devs themselves mostly know just Japanese and they do read and reply to the forums, in Japanese. My idea was just getting this thread's ideas over to where there is a better chance for the devs to actually see it.

Monday morning of next week I can have my Japanese friend translate the content of this thread over into the Japanese forums. However, I still think that we shouldn't have to work to this extent to get some attention and responses, but at this point the only way we're going to get our suggestions to happen is if we have the unanimous support of all of the playerbase including JP, EU, NA, and others. I was just taking a peek over at the general discussion in the JP forums and they have some posts with over 500,000 views and we're barely breaking 10k, so it's no longer surprising to me that the JP forums get more attention than the NA and other forums, not to mention they also have quite a bit more community reps.

Regardless of if we have multilingual community reps or not, the communication between NA players, the community reps, and the game developers are just not as good as they should be, so I think it's time we take the initiative.

Would you guys like me to to make the post in the JP forum? Comment or thumbs up. I personally think it's the next step if we want these things to be implemented, but I'm open to opinions.

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Originally Posted by Shinron-PUP

Monday morning of next week I can have my Japanese friend translate the content of this thread over into the Japanese forums. However, I still think that we shouldn't have to work to this extent to get some attention and responses, but at this point the only way we're going to get our suggestions to happen is if we have the unanimous support of all of the playerbase including JP, EU, NA, and others. I was just taking a peek over at the general discussion in the JP forums and they have some posts with over 500,000 views and we're barely breaking 10k, so it's no longer surprising to me that the JP forums get more attention than the NA and other forums, not to mention they also have quite a bit more community reps.

Regardless of if we have multilingual community reps or not, the communication between NA players, the community reps, and the game developers are just not as good as they should be, so I think it's time we take the initiative.

Would you guys like me to to make the post in the JP forum? Comment or thumbs up. I personally think it's the next step if we want these things to be implemented, but I'm open to opinions.

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Yes please I don't like to think we're being ignored because now that it's mostly Japanese they can safely write us off but we'll have our answer if we get a quick response when you post it on the Japanese forums.

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Originally Posted by Shinron-PUP

Do you guys think that they're purposely not responding to this thread because its too controversial and they know that it's the most logical solution but they don't want to do it?
Has anyone else noticed that typically the only time a thread is responded to is if the game developers already intended to add that suggestion or are asking for suggestions themselves? I'm starting to believe that the forums are giving the false illusion that the game developers are listening to our opinions, but are actually just doing what they want to do and not what we all would like to have happen at the end of the day.

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All that has to be said is "Stymie". Absolutely everyone hated the Red Mage 1 hour Stymie from its conception and we all protested against it and begged the game developers to give Red Mage something more useful. Did they listen? No. At the end of the day the game developers did what the hell the game developers wanted to do and that was that.

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Originally Posted by Okipuit

Thanks for all the feedback regarding Stymie.
While this may end up being a repeat of what was mentioned previously by Producer Akihiko Matsui, the development team feels that when it comes to the newly implemented seal battlefields, this ability is effective and has its uses.

We encourage you to enter these battlefields and try out strategies using this ability.

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Here is what Akihiko really said to all of us

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Originally Posted by Okipuit

Originally Posted by Producer Akihiko Matsui:

"Thanks for all your feedback everyone! Although we're aware that everyone completely detests and loathes the Red Mage 1 Hour Stymie, we'd like you to try it anyway because we're right and you're wrong and everyone can suck it."

P.S. We didn't even read your feedback because you're NA players.

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*Disclaimer: This is not a original post by Okipuit or Akihiko Matsui, but simply a parody.


The position Pet jobs are in right now are no different from stymie. The game developers are well aware that just about every person who has actually played Beastermaster, Summoner, Puppetmaster, and Dragoon are absolutely unsatisfied with the jobs because they spend so much time gearing and leveling it to simply have retire it anyway because it has no use in group content. The game developers know the solution to the problem, but they're to stubborn to actually just listen to us for once.

Honestly I wouldn't be too surprised if the game developers are just not saying anything because they want to let this thread die. The thread is too controversial. They know that if they confront the post, they will inevitably have to get involved with it because there's an obvious problem and if they don't fix it then it'll just make them look bad. So they're all just ignoring the big elephant in the room and hoping it'll go away eventually.

Camate and the other community representatives have had an ampule amount of time to read through this thread and forward it to the game developers for them to respond to. Either they're still coming up with a response, or they didn't even bother to read it in the first place. But who knows because no one is saying anything to us. I don't know about you guys, but I'm a bit fed up. I don't know what it'll take for them to start listening and responding to us but if this drags on any longer I think I'm retiring from FFXI because this is just a waste of time.

~Shout out to Debmaeda from Fenrir for bringing up this point.

To defend Camate and the rest of the NA dev team they do have two forums, Facebook posts, twitter, and a whole other butt load of stuff to wade through. They probably have read the OP and this thread. After all of that wading they then talk to the other community reps to probably compare notes before passing things off to SE. Then there is the whole somethings don't have direct translation so that can slow down somethings a bit. I'm sure most of the main dev teams know enough English since they go to various conferences ect. It's just easier for them to respond in Japanese than it would be to translate into something else.

Yes it can be hard to stay the corse while it looks like you're being ignored, but this isn't even the only thread that is begging or pleading for some kind of response. Just look at the please fix these blue spells thread.

Yeah pet jobs are just not relevant in any hard content. They need to fix it. It's tiring never getting a response.

Well, seeing as though they just shot down my thread about Drachen Roll & Beast Roll for COR ("working as intended" they say), it seems quite obvious the Development Team doesn't give a rat's rectal cavity about pet jobs.

Or at least not enough to actually want to fix them properly. :/

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Well, seeing as though they just shot down my thread about Drachen Roll & Beast Roll for COR ("working as intended" they say), it seems quite obvious the Development Team doesn't give a rat's rectal cavity about pet jobs.

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I cannot even believe that.

"These rolls which no one uses ever, are fine as is even though they are pretty much entirely useless"

I thought perhaps I would summarize our grievances in a list for the reps to pass on to the developers. Let me know if I missed something!

- Balance pet jobs so that they are more than just solo jobs (there's no good reason for endgame to be designed in such a way as to exclude jobs)
- Allow pets to be healed by magic and waltzes
- Allow pets to be affected by the same enhancing magic and COR rolls that the master has on/allow these to be cast directly onto the pet
- Allow pets to receive the master's food effects and/or introduce pet-specific food
- Increase pet accuracy
- Increase pet defense/survivability
- Make dawn mulsums stack please!
- Reduce timers (Call Beast, Call Wyvern, Reward, Repair, etc.)
- Increase Maneuver duration and/or reduce JA delay

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Originally Posted by Siviard

Well, seeing as though they just shot down my thread about Drachen Roll & Beast Roll for COR ("working as intended" they say), it seems quite obvious the Development Team doesn't give a rat's rectal cavity about pet jobs.

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I can't tell you how many times I've read "The development team has no intentions of..." In response to a suggestion. They pretend we have some power to influence their decisions but they're really doing what they want to do.

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I thought perhaps I would summarize our grievances in a list for the reps to pass on to the developers. Let me know if I missed something!

- Balance pet jobs so that they are more than just solo jobs (there's no good reason for endgame to be designed in such a way as to exclude jobs)
- Allow pets to be healed by magic and waltzes
- Allow pets to be affected by the same enhancing magic and COR rolls that the master has on/allow these to be cast directly onto the pet
- Allow pets to receive the master's food effects and/or introduce pet-specific food
- Increase pet accuracy
- Increase pet defense/survivability
- Make dawn mulsums stack please!
- Reduce timers (Call Beast, Call Wyvern, Reward, Repair, etc.)
- Increase Maneuver duration and/or reduce JA delay

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Going to say this is just about perfect.

Great ideas OP. Vote.

However, imo, pet jobs, like other jobs not named Rng, Whm, Brd, Cor, War, are useful; it is due to the negative connotations the community attach to these jobs more-so than the Devs. Not every job is a War; or gains rapid tp like a Sam, thus it is deemed useless for endgame. Imo, the only way other jobs will get accepted is if they make them Sam/Pld/Whm spin offs.

I do not like 14 very much; however, they do a good job of avoiding these types of instances; players shunning out more than half of the playable jobs. Not saying it can not happen; but it is much more prevalent in XI.

I have to give some credit for DRG being somewhat wanted over PUP BST SMN, but man, the timed content just goes by in such a blur (and I don't have a lot of practice with it) that I can't figure out how to keep my wyvern alive even with Spirit Link and Steady Wing. Tbh I'm not sure what damage the pet is even doing on the bosses due to all the chat spam. I'm going to reiterate that the 20 min timer on Call Wyvern is ridiculous, and Dawn Mulsums really should stack. (then maybe I'd remember to use them ^^; ) Having Curaga hit the wyvern also would be so great, and the mages would not be wasting mp to target it, it would just be an added bonus to help extend its life.

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Great ideas OP. Vote.

However, imo, pet jobs, like other jobs not named Rng, Whm, Brd, Cor, War, are useful; it is due to the negative connotations the community attach to these jobs more-so than the Devs. Not every job is a War; or gains rapid tp like a Sam, thus it is deemed useless for endgame. Imo, the only way other jobs will get accepted is if they make them Sam/Pld/Whm spin offs.

I do not like 14 very much; however, they do a good job of avoiding these types of instances; players shunning out more than half of the playable jobs. Not saying it can not happen; but it is much more prevalent in XI.

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I have to slightly disagree. The thread isn't arguing to make pet jobs into a equivalent samurai or paladin, but simply to make them relevant in group content by making them better at doing their own job. As of right now BST and PUP's pets can't hit any high level content like difficult or very difficult new battlefields or delve bosses. We're arguing that it's unfair that our pets have a maximum of 10% accuracy on high level content because they don't have enough accuracy. Whenever I play puppetmaster in delve I can only use white Mage pet because my ranger and paladin pet simply cannot hit. It's silly that I'm losing out on half of my potential damage because my pet doesn't have enough accuracy. Pet jobs aren't being forced out of group content because of negative connotations but because they fall behind damage wise in group content because their pet can't hit or survive. We don't want to be a Sam or pld knock off... We simply want to be able to use our pets or else what is the point of having pet jobs?

EDIT: In summary I think this is the development team's fault and not because of negative connotations, and pet jobs are not as 'useful' as they should be. They are useful in solo content, but not so much in group/high level content.

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I have to slightly disagree. The thread isn't arguing to make pet jobs into a equivalent samurai or paladin, but simply to make them relevant in group content by making them better at doing their own job. As of right now BST and PUP's pets can't hit any high level content like difficult or very difficult new battlefields or delve bosses. We're arguing that it's unfair that our pets have a maximum of 10% accuracy on high level content because they don't have enough accuracy. Whenever I play puppetmaster in delve I can only use white Mage pet because my ranger and paladin pet simply cannot hit. It's silly that I'm losing out on half of my potential damage because my pet doesn't have enough accuracy. Pet jobs aren't being forced out of group content because of negative connotations but because they fall behind damage wise in group content because their pet can't hit or survive. We don't want to be a Sam or pld knock off... We simply want to be able to use our pets or else what is the point of having pet jobs?

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Bst has one of the best ws in the game, as well as gear that can be wore by wars, sam, drk, etc. The pet boost was nice, my pet does decent damage with the pet ws boost update.



The suggestions were nice; however, that may make pets somewhat equal to players, thus pet jobs will be the new fad and other jobs would complain. Do not forget that the master counts towards the bst, pup and drg total dmg as well; it could be somewhat broken. I mean; could you imagine if they released a new tiger jug? Or a scorpion? Food, Cor rolls, Songs, geo spells could be pretty nasty on those two. From what I am reading; you guys want pets to be respectable dds; Combined with the master's damage, other jobs may be excluded. A ruinator doing somewhere close to your fellow DD ws combined with a food/fully buffed pet could be a massive amount of damage.

I am all for this, i mean...I am a bst also,lol, not arguing, I just do not see this happening.

Edit: A group of Bst with some Geo, Cor, and Bards using unleash could become a new fad. Just spam Dawns and use ready moves.

Edit 2: Bst pets appear to be stronger than their wild counterparts atm; minus the pets that had moves removed. Our pets becoming any stronger would equal a pocket 119 NM to some degree, lol; but hey, as a bst, I am all for it.

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Bst has one of the best ws in the game, as well as gear that can be wore by wars, sam, drk, etc. The pet boost was nice, my pet does decent damage with the pet ws boost update.



The suggestions were nice; however, that may make pets somewhat equal to players, thus pet jobs will be the new fad and other jobs would complain. Do not forget that the master counts towards the bst, pup and drg total dmg as well; it could be somewhat broken. I mean; could you imagine if they released a new tiger jug? Or a scorpion? Food, Cor rolls, Songs, geo spells could be pretty nasty on those two. From what I am reading; you guys want pets to be respectable dds; Combined with the master's damage, other jobs may be excluded. A ruinator doing somewhere close to your fellow DD ws combined with a food/fully buffed pet could be a massive amount of damage.

I am all for this, i mean...I am a bst also,lol, not arguing, I just do not see this happening.

Edit: A group of Bst with some Geo, Cor, and Bards using unleash could become a new fad. Just spam Dawns and use ready moves.

Edit 2: Bst pets appear to be stronger than their wild counterparts atm; minus the pets that had moves removed. Our pets becoming any stronger would equal a pocket 119 NM to some degree, lol; but hey, as a bst, I am all for it.

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I don't believe any of the additions that this thread has asked for will make the jobs overpowering and if you care to know why I feel this way, just look at my previous posts. My biggest problem with the point you're making is that it means that one job will always be more useful than another. If pet jobs get any boosts then they'll become more powerful than normal jobs then normal jobs will complain and ask to be buffed better than pet jobs creating a vicious cycle of updates. All we simply want is for the playing fields to be leveled and not for pet jobs to be overpowered. We want to be able to play any content on our favorite jobs instead of being forced to play brd, cor, or monk if we ever want access to good gear. Jobs need to be balanced better and that's all this thread is about.

I'm not sure that if any of my wishlist above were granted it would suddenly make us bandwagon jobs that would cause the princesses to complain; it would instead just keep us from being laughed at when we ask to be invited. Even just the basics of reduced timers, reduced JA delay (or extended maneuver duration at least), better pet accuracy and better pet survivability would make them a tad more efficient, like Jinzha says, "better at doing their own job."
A DRG might as well not even have a pet for instance, no one asks me to come because of the little flying creature, they just want piercing damage and Angon. The little guy can't stay alive in Delve or AA so he's pretty much pointless.
I don't expect PUP to become MNK 2.0, and it's great that we have Repair and Deus Ex Machina, but again the little puppet can't hit for crap and can't survive all the AOEs. The extra WHM can be helpful but most people would just rather bring a better DD.

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I don't believe any of the additions that this thread has asked for will make the jobs overpowering and if you care to know why I feel this way, just look at my previous posts. My biggest problem with the point you're making is that it means that one job will always be more useful than another. If pet jobs get any boosts then they'll become more powerful than normal jobs then normal jobs will complain and ask to be buffed better than pet jobs creating a vicious cycle of updates. All we simply want is for the playing fields to be leveled and not for pet jobs to be overpowered. We want to be able to play any content on our favorite jobs instead of being forced to play brd, cor, or monk if we ever want access to good gear. Jobs need to be balanced better and that's all this thread is about.

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Yes, but I feel that bst are what they are; a job that uses animals to aid them in combat. Our pets are stronger than their wild counterparts. food, songs, geo, rolls is a little excessive imo. I am on board with all of this, however, you can play content on any job you please; it has more to do with the community more-so than the devs (imo). For instance, Run can tank (differently than Nin and pld), pet jobs can DD (differently than most). A fully buffed pet + unleash alliance + Dawns may equal abuse. Imagine what a lvl 119 tiger or scorpion jug spamming their ready moves could do. Fun times, but it may be a little too much.

I agree with Grim to an extent; but imo; bst are one step away from being overpowered; hence is why Falcorr mysteriously won the poll over the scorpion..hmmm. Can you imagine a fully buffed army of scorpions with songs, rolls, Geo spells, and food. Sharp Strike + death scissor spam with unleash..........Wow. I am a career bst and I am not going to front; a scorpion jug with all of that will be overpowered; there is no way it could not be....combine that with ruinator.

Again, I am not arguing with you guys/gals idea's; I just do not see it happening. I want this too; I am a bst; would love to be overpowered (Rawr)^^

Personally, I want that scorpion jug that we should have gotten; I will be happy with that. SE should also take a page from monstrosity in regard to our jug pet's tp usage. That ready meter is meh.....