So uh, how's the storage situation progressing? ^^;

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Having simple another 20 inventory in each of the inventories we have no would not serve the same propose for you?

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To me that's already been explained off as not being an option due to the PS2. Being a PS2 player myself, I've come to accept that.

As is the exact reason you would take the option of having an extra sack/satchel rather than +20 inventory in each of the already provided inventories. Which was part of my original post after our Rep response.

Here's what I can't figure out about the inventory crisis (not 80/80, but all the boxes)..

Why does every box have to load? I know what gear my character has pretty well, especially if it's gear that I'm wanting. Why not have some boxes that are only viewable while in the MH? At worst this would only people to have two pieces of a RARE item, but they'd never be able to equip both (gtfo dual eponas's ring, double brutals), so there's no harm. If I have my epona's ring in my everywhere-storage (safe, locker, sack, satchel) then I couldn't get my other eponas's ring out of my "Mog Crypt".

Get it? There would be no way to stock up on something like putting scrolls away so you could stay in zone and keep lotting because those boxes wouldn't be available from outside MH.

anyone know when fall update is

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Originally Posted by Camate

Hello!

I come bearing some good news about inventory. :) Please read the below update from Akihiko Matsui.

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Thanks for the update :)

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Originally Posted by pretre

anyone know when fall update is

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Sometime during the fall.

No really, they haven't given us any kinda date. I would guess probably around October or so.

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Originally Posted by OmnysValefor

Here's what I can't figure out about the inventory crisis (not 80/80, but all the boxes)..

Why does every box have to load? I know what gear my character has pretty well, especially if it's gear that I'm wanting. Why not have some boxes that are only viewable while in the MH? At worst this would only people to have two pieces of a RARE item, but they'd never be able to equip both (gtfo dual eponas's ring, double brutals), so there's no harm. If I have my epona's ring in my everywhere-storage (safe, locker, sack, satchel) then I couldn't get my other eponas's ring out of my "Mog Crypt".

Get it? There would be no way to stock up on something like putting scrolls away so you could stay in zone and keep lotting because those boxes wouldn't be available from outside MH.

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That already happens with slips anyways. I get feet in abyssea all the time, only to go to the mog and discover that I already have a pair on a slip. I don't see why having a storage box that behaves the same way would be a problem.

I get the sneaking suspicion that they are just waiting for a few more subscriptions to cancel and or some server merges in order to offset the additional server load from more storage, then they will implement it.

The other place it happens is mules.

The short answer, I honestly believe, is they want us paying for mules and storage is far and away the number one reason to have mules.

There is another alternative: Look at WHY we need all this extra space.

Abyssea was quite good: OK you could only wear the emp on 1 job, but you +2 it all and save all but the job you're on with the porter moogle. Even with accessories, it's only 8 inv slots max. Not to mention that at the time, most of it was best-in-slot for either TPing, Tanking or WS.

Delve/Reive gear was quite bad: You can use the same gear for a lot of jobs, ok. But most of the time this gear is on top of your Emp +2 because of the niche bonuses of emp +2/some accessories. Then of course, you can't send it to mule once you've augmented it, meaning it's all sat in your inv space cluttering it up. Most of the delve gear can replace anything resembling an evasion set pre-SoA though, which was nice. (unless that eva gear happened to be THF TH gear as well >.>)

Shirmish II gear was terrible: Fewer jobs on each piece, meaning even more space taken up. If you play multiple jobs, say THF and MNK; you get the new skirmish gear for mnk, but can't get rid of the delve gear, because you still need that for THF. And even when you get the gear for THF as well, some of the pieces are only situational, so you have to hold on to your emp gear, delve gear and skirmish gear now.....

Well this is good, and I'm not objecting, but like I've said before, storage is fundamentally an unfixable problem. Junk expands to fill the space, and within a few months people will be back to complaining about lack of storage space.

What they need to do is stop bringing in new equipment in so fast and recycle some instead. An example of what they should of done is use 2 pieces of old event equip and trade it for the new delve piece. People are using too many situational pieces and need to make more sacrifices and SE need to force us to make more. This way we will all have more storage space. Also with all this rare ex gear remove the tags as new gear comes out and let people AH/Bazaar it.

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Originally Posted by Masekase

What they need to do is stop bringing in new equipment in so fast and recycle some instead. An example of what they should of done is use 2 pieces of old event equip and trade it for the new delve piece. People are using too many situational pieces and need to make more sacrifices and SE need to force us to make more. This way we will all have more storage space. Also with all this rare ex gear remove the tags as new gear comes out and let people AH/Bazaar it.

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People would just get the item and then go gather the other two pieces again because SE never gets that right. It might get people playing old content again (Yay!...?) but it would inevitably screw up inventory even more.

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Originally Posted by OmnysValefor

The other place it happens is mules.

The short answer, I honestly believe, is they want us paying for mules and storage is far and away the number one reason to have mules.

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I would seriously pay double for my mule just to be able to access his inventory from the MH without logging Out -> In -> Out over and over. I'm totally game to pay a buck or two for extra storage if that's really what the problem is.

more space would be nice but...the problem i think is everyone trying to hold every item on them. even if they did add 80 more space it would get full up fast then 1 month later someone going to complain about no room because dude got like 20 sets of gear for each job like example blm fire nuke set 18+ gear thunder nuke set 16+, resist fire set 15+, next job blu set, etc over 100+ synthesis materials,40 loves hearts from people>.>.

if you guys want the space just pay the 1$ mule and you will have room, you able to mule lot of stuff over now so it no excuse

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Originally Posted by nyheen

more space would be nice but...the problem i think is everyone trying to hold every item on them. even if they did add 80 more space it would get full up fast then 1 month later someone going to complain about no room because dude got like 20 sets of gear for each job like example blm fire nuke set 18+ gear thunder nuke set 16+, resist fire set 15+, next job blu set, etc over 100+ synthesis materials,40 loves hearts from people>.>.

if you guys want the space just pay the 1$ mule and you will have room, you able to mule lot of stuff over now so it no excuse

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You sir are wrong.

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Originally Posted by nyheen

more space would be nice but...the problem i think is everyone trying to hold every item on them. even if they did add 80 more space it would get full up fast then 1 month later someone going to complain about no room because dude got like 20 sets of gear for each job like example blm fire nuke set 18+ gear thunder nuke set 16+, resist fire set 15+, next job blu set, etc over 100+ synthesis materials,40 loves hearts from people>.>.

if you guys want the space just pay the 1$ mule and you will have room, you able to mule lot of stuff over now so it no excuse

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That doesn't actually solve any inventory problems.
That then creates a bunch of time problems due to he logging in and out... you turn events that could have lasted only 30min into ones that last 1hr or longer due to something as trivial as job changing.
Slips, while marginally inconvenient, solve much of the storage space issues.
You drop whole sets of gear into various storage slips, and suddenly you have 15 or more free inventory slots.
The biggest drag on my inventory is weapons and rings/earrings/capes.
But the second biggest is the skirmish gear.
And sadly, that can't be slip-ified.
Due to the randomizations of augments. Now, if the augments of the skirmish gear were to... not be random. Like either the bayld or the delve gear augments... then slips could even be implemented for them.
But as it stands right now the only new gear slips that could be added would be a bayld gear slip (augment only cause that seems to be the MO, right relic+2 slip?) and delve gear slip (which should be coded for all ranks of all paths, so that there's not 16 slips... hexcode that shit! This could also alleviate a bit of the weapon clog by adding the delve weapons to the slip too, or just have another slip for them).

Slips are clunky. But they are better than the time sink of muling.

iam sure that solve lot of the inventory problems it just people are to lazy to log off to mule now. sooner or later they going to hit the space limit and then what?. if your garage (char) is full just buy a bigger garage (mule)

With todays gear most jobs share the same gear, so that's not much of an issue for many players. I myself have 0 mules, have never had any, never will have any, but my inventory to an extent is fine. I would love more, but sacks & satchels do little for me. On the other hand, my RDM, which has over 100 pieces of gear for that job alone in total, that would benefit from a real inventory expansion to inventory itself, rather than another sack or satchel. If we could macro in pieces from a sack or satchel, I would care about them more, but since we cant, I don't.

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Originally Posted by nyheen

iam sure that solve lot of the inventory problems it just people are to lazy to log off to mule now. sooner or later they going to hit the space limit and then what?. if your garage (char) is full just buy a bigger garage (mule)

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with most gearfreaks muling takes 20 mins or so to d to get all their gear....

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Originally Posted by Xantavia

Remember back in the day when we were limited to 70 slots in our bags? Before the sack and satchel? Everybody swore that with more space we would be all set. No matter how much more they give us, it won't take long before that space is filled and the no storage space cycle will begin again.

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They could give us 1k slots and it wouldn't be enough with the amount of specific items we must have for specific situations and the hundreds of them that are released every now and then. The only solution to this is being able to merge gear from Abyssea and before, like 3 pieces to combine into a new item.

We could, for example combine all artifact armors. We could for example, combine a Kirin Osode, with a SH and a Hauberk. Imagine how fun would it be to see older items being combined and suddenly being useful again for those that are outcast from delve?

But yea, its just easier to keep creating new storage while our delivery system is horrible. It's nice to have to swap gear for determined instances but the amount of swapping is too dmn high right now.

Just check this: http://www.ffxivpro.com/forum/topic/...ide-to-corsair


Its an awesome guide for corsairs that among other things have loads of different sets for each specific situation that a corsair can face. Now go count the amount of items that a single jobs needs there. That's the greatest problem of this game right now. We need to have less gear, not more. Creating more inventory for more situational gear will never fix this problem.

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Originally Posted by Zarchery

Well this is good, and I'm not objecting, but like I've said before, storage is fundamentally an unfixable problem. Junk expands to fill the space, and within a few months people will be back to complaining about lack of storage space.

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I agree that it is unfixable, but adding more storage spaces will certainly make things a little easier. Considering how much new equipment was added with Seeker's of Adoulin, and with the exception of rune and geo af, none is storable.

I've finally resorted to tossing rare/ex items that I use infrequently like Ace's Mail, Genesis shield, etc. It would be nice to not have to do that.

Hello,

Adding to the updates on inventory and storage, Akihiko Matsui has made another comment about plans for adjustments to the Porter Moogle feature.

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Originally Posted by Akihiko_Matsui

Matsui here.

I have some progress to share with you about the requests for incorporating the Porter Moogle feature into your Mog Houses, as I mentioned in a post a bit back.

Currently, as we are unable to address the moogle inside of Mog Houses, we’ve placed a Porter Moogle inside of it instead. It’ll be very similar to how your Mog House looks on the Test Server.

This means that there will be one more moogle inside of your houses, but we’ve received some feedback asking to make it possible to hide the display of these moogles from those of you who really enjoy organizing the furniture is your homes, so we are examining whether or not we can do this.

Also, in order to address this so the moogles inside of Mog Houses can be toggled on and off, there are a lot of high-hurdles to overcome from a technical-standpoint, because Mog Houses were created in a special way and they are also used for events and quests.

While it will be difficult to address this for Mog Houses, we are currently looking into whether we can also place a Porter Moogle in everyone’s Mog Gardens as well, and we think that it will be possible to have a display toggle feature for this.

We are striving to have this implemented during the fall version update, but due to other work we cannot guarantee it at this time. We appreciate your understanding.

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ideas to save inventory space
1.- add capes to slips but not create new one, use the ones we have already
2.-let slip the bayld gear (cant say we cant because they have augmented iccon but you guys know empy gear have augmneted icon too?)
3.- similar to idea 2, add delve sets to slips
4.- add skirmish gears too and/or let us auto delivery
5.- do something about weapons skirmish/delve/REM/ slip or storage with npcs similar to relic and artifac armors npcs

Good good!

If you could continue this trend by putting a delivery box npc and waypoint in the mog gardens, that really would be awesome =D.

This by itself is very good, but please address some of the lacking storage slips like the VW storage slip.

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Originally Posted by Akihiko_Matsui

Matsui here.

I have some progress to share with you about the requests for incorporating the Porter Moogle feature into your Mog Houses, as I mentioned in a post a bit back.

Currently, as we are unable to address the moogle inside of Mog Houses, we’ve placed a Porter Moogle inside of it instead. It’ll be very similar to how your Mog House looks on the Test Server.

This means that there will be one more moogle inside of your houses, but we’ve received some feedback asking to make it possible to hide the display of these moogles from those of you who really enjoy organizing the furniture is your homes, so we are examining whether or not we can do this.

Also, in order to address this so the moogles inside of Mog Houses can be toggled on and off, there are a lot of high-hurdles to overcome from a technical-standpoint, because Mog Houses were created in a special way and they are also used for events and quests.

While it will be difficult to address this for Mog Houses, we are currently looking into whether we can also place a Porter Moogle in everyone’s Mog Gardens as well, and we think that it will be possible to have a display toggle feature for this.

We are striving to have this implemented during the fall version update, but due to other work we cannot guarantee it at this time. We appreciate your understanding.

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Seriously? You're spending time trying to make them disappear so that one guy can stand around and organize his furniture?

Implement the change as is, then go back and add the toggle feature when you have finished working on the million other things that are far more beneficial and important to the game.

You make games, not gifs. I want to play it, not stare at it. Function before form.

It would seem to me that the easiest way to do it *should be* making the moogle disappear when Open Mog is selected.

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Originally Posted by OmnysValefor

It would seem to me that the easiest way to do it *should be* making the moogle disappear when Open Mog is selected.

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The easiest way to do it would be... Don't add a moogle at all. Just add a menu item to the "Moghouse" list.

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Originally Posted by Minikom

ideas to save inventory space
1.- add capes to slips but not create new one, use the ones we have already
2.-let slip the bayld gear (cant say we cant because they have augmented iccon but you guys know empy gear have augmneted icon too?)
3.- similar to idea 2, add delve sets to slips
4.- add skirmish gears too and/or let us auto delivery
5.- do something about weapons skirmish/delve/REM/ slip or storage with npcs similar to relic and artifac armors npcs

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It's not that things with Augments can't be stored, it's that they can either be ONLY stored augmented (and if those augments are static) or NOT augmented. Can't have both.

So Bayld gear, augmented only, could be put on a slip. But the system cannot handle Delve gear, because of the different augment paths. The game wouldn't know what rank or (assuming R15) what path to give you back.

Capes OTOH, are basically JSE and totally need to go on a slip.

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You make games, not gifs. I want to play it, not stare at it. Function before form.

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And so if YOU don't want it, it shouldn't be done, amirite?

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

The easiest way to do it would be... Don't add a moogle at all. Just add a menu item to the "Moghouse" list.

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Not that.

Their problem with wanting to make the moogle disappear at certain times for certain people's .... tastes.

I agree, not a priority but that would be the easiest way.

For whatever reason, as they said, they're having a problem adding porter functionality to the MH moogle.

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So Bayld gear, augmented only, could be put on a slip. But the system cannot handle Delve gear, because of the different augment paths. The game wouldn't know what rank or (assuming R15) what path to give you back.

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It was stupid to make Bayld gear augmentable. Just put the stats on the original piece and add the coalition grease cost to the original price. Seriously, who are the ad wizards who came up with this one?

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And so if YOU don't want it, it shouldn't be done, amirite?

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Yeah, in this case.

If you would care to offer some indication as to why I might be wrong beyond your not so subtle insinuation that I am selfish, I'll be glad to explain my reasoning. Otherwise, I know you are but what am I...

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Originally Posted by detlef

It was stupid to make Bayld gear augmentable. Just put the stats on the original piece and add the coalition grease cost to the original price. Seriously, who are the ad wizards who came up with this one?

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Very very true, only a bayld sink. The gear should have just been 5k bayld more expensive and let done be done..

I never drop gear lol but I dropped most of the bayld stuff, I had no place to put it. Then again, unlike most gear before it, it was neither hard or expensive to get, or obtained through sentimentally worthwhile occasions.

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

Yeah, in this case.

If you would care to offer some indication as to why I might be wrong beyond your not so subtle insinuation that I am selfish, I'll be glad to explain my reasoning. Otherwise, I know you are but what am I...

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Furniture and furnishing your moghouse is part of the game.
And much like Limbus or Dynamis, you might not ever do it.
But that doesn't mean others don't do it too.

In a MMO, you can not just disregard a feature that a single person might not use.

And besides, having a porter moogle with your slave moogle doesn't help alleviate inventory congestion.
It only helps with using slips....
And since they don't seem to want to add new gear to pre-existing slips (JSE capes) or make new ones...
It's completely irrelevant to the storage problem.

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

The easiest way to do it would be... Don't add a moogle at all. Just add a menu item to the "Moghouse" list.

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this^ stupid time wasted making a moogle vanish is time that could be spent giving us a better storage idea like a chest week can put all the stuff in we want to keep (like all the s*** on slips) that we can only get to and look at from our moghouse and oh look i now have 10 extra inventory slots from not having to carry 10 dumb ass slips around not to mention all the stuff i cant store/mule

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Originally Posted by FaeQueenCory

Furniture and furnishing your moghouse is part of the game.
And much like Limbus or Dynamis, you might not ever do it.
But that doesn't mean others don't do it too.

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You can't please everyone, but you can certainly piss them all off by doing nothing. It's pretty obvious that the people who want more convenient storage now, vastly outnumber the ones who want a better view of their mog bed later. That's why this thread (and many others) is about storage and not mog beds.

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Originally Posted by FaeQueenCory

In a MMO, you can not just disregard a feature that a single person might not use.

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I'm not knocking anyone for wanting a cool looking house, but if I had to guess, I'd say that 99% of people would like to be in there for as little time as possible.

If there were some way to prove that plopping a moogle in there would somehow delay work on a toggle function for so long that it would cause far more stress and anguish than not putting it right in, I would understand. But, it's pretty obvious that it's actually the opposite of that situation.

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Originally Posted by FaeQueenCory

And besides, having a porter moogle with your slave moogle doesn't help alleviate inventory congestion.
It only helps with using slips....
And since they don't seem to want to add new gear to pre-existing slips (JSE capes) or make new ones...
It's completely irrelevant to the storage problem.

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I agree, but mog slips are a fact of life right now and moving the porter is relatively easy (if you don't factor the toggle function). Really though, we should be pissed that they are even still tinkering with slips when they should be working on a better solution. So, let's do that instead.

And besides, having a porter moogle with your slave moogle doesn't help alleviate inventory congestion.
It only helps with using slips....
And since they don't seem to want to add new gear to pre-existing slips (JSE capes) or make new ones...
It's completely irrelevant to the storage problem.[/QUOTE]

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

You can't please everyone, but you can certainly piss them all off by doing nothing. It's pretty obvious that the people who want more convenient storage now, vastly outnumber the ones who want a better view of their mog bed later. That's why this thread (and many others) is about storage and not mog beds.

I'm not knocking anyone for wanting a cool looking house, but if I had to guess, I'd say that 99% of people would like to be in there for as little time as possible.

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Personally... I don't understand why the porter moogle being put in the house would affect furnishings at all... because there's that massive chunk of the rooms that are... for that single moogle?
I don't see why they can't move the slave over a few blips and then have the porter next to it...


And as to this being about storage and not furniture... that was my point too.
And even the porter moogle has nothing to do with storage woes.... it's... Like the repeal of the defense of marriage act here in america.
sure it made gay marriage capable of happening... but it doesn't actually DO anything to help equality.
In this case:
sure moving the porter moogle into the house makes using storage slips faster.... but it doesn't actually DO anything about storage problems.

It's a diversionary tactic to get some ppl to go "ooooo! they doin something about my problem!"... but if they actually think about it... this action doesn't actually do ANYTHING at all.
And that's my "problem" with it... it doesn't fix anything... it just removes the need to zone to use the porter moogle.
woooooo.... that doesn't help me with my 12 skirmish2 gear clogging my bags.

Well, wouldn't an additional NPC add some targeting confusion to the Mog House scenario? I mean, we already have enough with the Orchestrion controls (still waiting on the update that was supposed to move the target away from the entrance--).

I'd say, add an additional item to the MH submenu to call the Porter Moogle temporarily: "Call Porter/Dismiss Porter" (would be a toggle item like Open Mog/Close Mog). After around six minutes the Porter Moogle would auto-dismiss himself if called and his menu isn't active (the Porter will autodismiss when the player zones). It would sort of work like the way your Moogle warps out temporarily when you access Gardening from a Rent-a-Room, and would open the door for other temporary NPCs to be "called" in the same way in future.

As mentioned above, though, this is low priority when compared with implementing the MH Porter in the first place. Once that's done, then it's worth worrying about displaying moogles...

Is there some technical reason why furniture cant be clickable? Why not have a porter moogle Mannequin that you can add/remove based on preference?

I'm sort of gear illiterate and don't get heavily into it, so storage hasn't been a problem for me, but let me ask a question. If it's a problem that you can't store augmented gear on Porter Moogle slips and you never could... would it be acceptable if you expanded the range of non-augmented gear that could be stored, so that you could just put the augmented stuff in your normal inventory?

Like I said, I don't really understand the storage woes deeply, but it's something I was wondering.

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I'm sort of gear illiterate and don't get heavily into it, so storage hasn't been a problem for me, but let me ask a question. If it's a problem that you can't store augmented gear on Porter Moogle slips and you never could... would it be acceptable if you expanded the range of non-augmented gear that could be stored, so that you could just put the augmented stuff in your normal inventory?

Like I said, I don't really understand the storage woes deeply, but it's something I was wondering.

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That would be the same as having augment-only storage slips.
If you've ever +2'd a relic piece, you'll find that you have to do the magian trial before you can store it on a slip.
And since it's only a few of those that are really useful, it doesn't bother anyone much to have one or two floating around in your locker of whatnot.

But the problem is now that there's a huge influx of gear that HAS to be kept in your inventories.

If you wanted to +2 all your relic gear, and then found yourself out of space, you could alleviate that by taking the magian trials and be then able to store it all on one slip.

And having a slip for only-augmented or only-unagmented bayld gear is exactly the same scenario:
too much of it, do the augments and buy a slip.
or
too much of it, don't augment the ones you don't use much and buy a slip.

Obviously in the case of bayld the augment one would be the implemented slip, and personally the prefered to the unaugmented (bayld rains from the heavens, why not get that swaky +120MP??).

But the problem isn't with the bayld gear.

It's with the skirmish2 and delve gear.

Theoretically... it could be possible to tag all stages of delve augment paths with a various hexcode value (255 should be enough "slots" per gear) and that could be slip-ified with ease.

But the skirmish2 gear would be impossible.
Because.... the augments are random....
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Probably the worst idea they had.
Had it worked like the Bayld gear... no one would have minded.
Sure, there would have been a bit of complaining that any augments are bluh.... but w/e.
But they decided to use the same method for skirmish weapons... which worked for them... because it's unusual for weapons to get on storage slips.
So random augments wouldn't (and didn't) come with a wave of complaints about storage clog.
But with the gear.........
They made the skirmish2 gear unstorable and that's one of the reasons for this large pressure on ppl's storage atm.
(that and the needless to mention bajillion of OTHER new gear that suddenly showed up.)