Yeah I agree. Crafting in comparison to the ease in leveling does appear more daunting. Almost enough to scare people away. Hopefully something will be done to give incentive to craft again. Not to put down all the naked leveling out there, that's all fine and dandy(hats off to you). Gear is helpful though especially if you are going to solo.
As the first on this thread, a serious question...
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03-10-2011, 05:38 AMJeanluke
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03-12-2011, 11:31 AMTodo
Well since all of you are just commenting on how you help new players, I thought I would give you a perspective from an actual new player.
My free trial started on January 3rd. So I'm two months into this game.
You all comment on how easy it is to make money, but honestly, in every other MMO I've played I've hit the money cap, or been extremely close, and in this game I have had nothing but problems making money. I don't know if you are in denial, but the economy is seemingly dead in this game. FFXIAH, for my server at least, rates an item selling "Very Fast" as 10-12 stacks a day. That, to me, is not very fast. Things take at last 2-3 days to sell, and when you can only have 7 items up at a time, it's EXTREMELY frustrating.
Many of you say that new players just ask for help constantly, and don't learn to play their class. I would have to agree with you in most cases that this is true. My LS that I'm in has new people join constantly, and they are always like "So who wants to come PL my party?" "Who's gonna help me do X?" etc. It's like they just expect it.
However, I have been playing MMO's for 9 years. I don't expect help from people, and I take every measure possible to learn as much as I can about my job, and if I can't solo something at my current level, I will simply wait until I get high enough to solo it myself. I like to believe I don't follow the new person stereotype, I have asked for help one time since I started playing, and that was when I was running my Mule to Jeuno, and I made my HP in Meripherated (Sp?) Mountains, and I couldn't get past this damn Skink in the Sauromugue Champaign, and kept dying, and I was stuck in the middle of no where, so I asked for an escort to Jeuno.
I will also probably be forced to ask for help for my Limit Breaks, because I've been told that even as a Pup I will be unable to solo them, which really annoys me, because asking for help is one of my least favorite things to do.
I'm just trying to show you that all new people aren't these helpless idiots that don't know how to do anything for themselves.
I've unlocked every job myself, well except Samurai and Ninja I guess, but I didn't ask for help, someone was helping a LS member do it so I just tagged along. But I unlocked Sch, Bst, Dnc, Pup, Blu, Drk, and one other by myself.
However, I am still 1-2 in Nation missions, because I raged when the guide told me to go click on the ??? in the Kings Tomb, and when I did, it teleported me to some random place where I was instantly one shot by a Bat. Now I'm too angry to try that nation mission again :b lol.
I've read every guide on Pup's, though a lot of it doesn't seem to add up to how my automaton acts, so I'm kind of making up some of it as I go along, and a lot of the guides are outdated, which sucks, but yeah.
Finally, I didn't get my sub job till I was a 37 monk, because I didn't want to ask for help killing a Bogy.
So, please, don't lump all new players into the "clueless morons with no idea what they're doing." I skill chain, I magic burst, and I rage when people just randomly blow their WS without announcing their TP and thus giving no opportunity for anyone to chain with them.
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03-12-2011, 11:40 PMLegomike
youre way ahead of the aholes then. /clap
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03-13-2011, 04:10 AMviion
Everyone was new and helpless at some point, so anyone hating on them is just a pure hypocrite and has way to much ego. I was a very hardcore play years ago and quit about 1/half years ago? Just after the first ever addon was release.
I came back as I saw the game on steam for like $4 and figured me and my friend would give it a shot but only just got time to play it now (work n all).
In my opinion this game is still extremely unwelcoming to the starter player. I know most things and how to do missions and what not but levelling is still very slow unless you spend time soloing (which i hate in an mmo) or just drag to 30 and hope to leech but that is extremely unlikely unless you're a returning character coming to a server with dedicated friends.
Finding money is still very difficult, I'm casual and do not have time to be farming hours on end to scrape up a little that hardly sells on the AH. I got about 10 stacks of crystals and placed 7 up on Jeuno and even those took 2 days to sell when I kept adjusting them to go lower and lower. Though I'm not too worried about Gil right now as I'm sure I'll find ways to scrape by later on. Just a little sad is all.
But coming back my main concern is ways to level. I went to dunes and it was completely empty, I dont even know if people level there anymore lol. FoV is not very amazing when around level 5-10 you're only getting about 300 EXP for the reward which is nothing.
I'm very happy they removed a lot of the caps which will make things easier once I'm levelled, its just getting to the levelled part. My healing is low my cure does 12hp and mobs hit me for about 20 so its almost completely useless.
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03-13-2011, 07:31 PMLamer
I am new to this game. I have been playing for about a week. I play on Cerebrus server using the same name as my forum name. I picked Cerebrus because this website I went to during registration said it was one of the most popular [ http://www.ffxiah.com/database ]
Here's my experience:
ask for help - get ignored.
try to talk - get ignored.
I solo using those feild manuals. I get money that way, too. I am level 21 now. Until earlier today I had never even been in a party. This is because most people are not very friendly. Luckily I went to meet my IRL friend in the game [he started in Bastok and I started in Windurst] and someone who was scanning players found us (because we had no second job) and invited us into a chatroom/linkshell [of 'new and returning players' which constists of roughly 6 people]. Maybe my experience will change now that I have found people with whom to talk. Else: I will continue to google and play. NBD.
I really like this game. I don't care that it is slow because I solo and do my own thing. I don't understand what most of you are writing about re: abyssa, but i don't care. The only thing that hurts new players are the ignorant people who ignore them. Just my .02 -
03-13-2011, 11:32 PMSaefinn
I don't know what other servers are like but I've had a fantastic experience on Asura, I've got a decent LS and I've been a member since October. It's just a matter of finding the right linkshell - people do shout outs in Jeuno and Whitegate for them, you can probably call out asking for one. When you get into partying you might meet somebody with a pearl sack who can give you a linkshell.
As you're level 21, you might want to stick around Qufim Island with your 'Seek Party' flag up and you may get a party, but the trouble is, it can sometimes be really easy to find a party, other times you could be waiting ages. Normally what I do is solo mobs not too far from where people camp - so at level 21 I would be able to solo Valkurm Dunes, so I'd join a party there. Level 30, solo Qufim. So at least you're earning exp. Though as a level 21, people might want to sync to your level in Qufim. -
03-14-2011, 02:40 AMviion
Due to lack of players in some areas/certain times and how unhelpful some are, I've gone back to the oldschool way of using a friends account to PL me and my buddy and now i just make my own PT and not have to worry about dying and it taking a long time. So we'll see how this goes.
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03-14-2011, 04:03 AMSaefinn
Yeah, that's why I tend to do stuff that doesn't require a party during those hours, usually it's when the US is asleep, during that time I might score lucky if there's other Brits online or even some Japanese. But the worst I find is looking for healers and tanks and finding some people are unreliable, hence a Yuhtunga party one time took 1 hour 30 minutes to start, I am glad half the party was from my LS and they also had the time to spare.
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03-15-2011, 12:27 AMRuvionBravo man, you're way ahead of the majority of people on this game! TP Burn party? NO THANKS lol.Quote:
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03-15-2011, 01:09 AMGERMHate to break it to you but SqEnix developed this game around a party system.. They are working on some of that in the end game but up til then you will need help on occasion as your aware of.. This doesn't mean you have to ask for help this just means you ask for people who need the same quest/mission/bcnm whatever as you do.. that way your not bothering people to help you and your getting it done with others that need it too.. Then again you will find some very lazy people in this game who don't want to play like you and want to get PL all the time, sit and leech in abyssea or just find a high level job that they can have do their dirty work.. :(Quote:
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Well since all of you are just commenting on how you help new players, I thought I would give you a perspective from an actual new player.
My free trial started on January 3rd. So I'm two months into this game.
You all comment on how easy it is to make money, but honestly, in every other MMO I've played I've hit the money cap, or been extremely close, and in this game I have had nothing but problems making money. I don't know if you are in denial, but the economy is seemingly dead in this game. FFXIAH, for my server at least, rates an item selling "Very Fast" as 10-12 stacks a day. That, to me, is not very fast. Things take at last 2-3 days to sell, and when you can only have 7 items up at a time, it's EXTREMELY frustrating.
Many of you say that new players just ask for help constantly, and don't learn to play their class. I would have to agree with you in most cases that this is true. My LS that I'm in has new people join constantly, and they are always like "So who wants to come PL my party?" "Who's gonna help me do X?" etc. It's like they just expect it.
However, I have been playing MMO's for 9 years. I don't expect help from people, and I take every measure possible to learn as much as I can about my job, and if I can't solo something at my current level, I will simply wait until I get high enough to solo it myself. I like to believe I don't follow the new person stereotype, I have asked for help one time since I started playing, and that was when I was running my Mule to Jeuno, and I made my HP in Meripherated (Sp?) Mountains, and I couldn't get past this damn Skink in the Sauromugue Champaign, and kept dying, and I was stuck in the middle of no where, so I asked for an escort to Jeuno.
I will also probably be forced to ask for help for my Limit Breaks, because I've been told that even as a Pup I will be unable to solo them, which really annoys me, because asking for help is one of my least favorite things to do.
I'm just trying to show you that all new people aren't these helpless idiots that don't know how to do anything for themselves.
I've unlocked every job myself, well except Samurai and Ninja I guess, but I didn't ask for help, someone was helping a LS member do it so I just tagged along. But I unlocked Sch, Bst, Dnc, Pup, Blu, Drk, and one other by myself.
However, I am still 1-2 in Nation missions, because I raged when the guide told me to go click on the ??? in the Kings Tomb, and when I did, it teleported me to some random place where I was instantly one shot by a Bat. Now I'm too angry to try that nation mission again :b lol.
I've read every guide on Pup's, though a lot of it doesn't seem to add up to how my automaton acts, so I'm kind of making up some of it as I go along, and a lot of the guides are outdated, which sucks, but yeah.
Finally, I didn't get my sub job till I was a 37 monk, because I didn't want to ask for help killing a Bogy.
So, please, don't lump all new players into the "clueless morons with no idea what they're doing." I skill chain, I magic burst, and I rage when people just randomly blow their WS without announcing their TP and thus giving no opportunity for anyone to chain with them.
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The gil (currency) system isn't going to be easily capped in this game. I don't know how many people have capped the gil in this game I know its not a lot though, not saying its not possible and im sure people have obtained that amount in their adventuring life but just hoarding it isn't something you see very often.. This game was designed so you have to work to gain gil weather its via end game or crafting gil making off of actual mob isn't really easy and kinda of annoying with the low gil rate from most mobs... good luck and good journey -
03-15-2011, 01:15 AMLuvbunny
Yopop, once you hit lvl 90s, the game is just starting. There are missions to complete, high level quests, and most of all, gears to collect. That is just the tip of the iceberg. With recent news of tweaking the older contents, there will be more stuff to do still. The upside is that at lvl 90s, things are more doable with less people. As for people being clueless, do not blame them, the game is NOT very informative at all, and the only way you can get info is by googling or go to wiki. No help is given in the game itself. You are not learning your job by having a 6 people party from 1-75. You will however learn your job A LOT by solo, duo, or trio. In fact, 1-3 people party forced you to really learn your job since there is no safety net and everyone has to pull double duty and work as a team or face wiped.
As for xp gained, Abyssea is the hands down best for xp per hour, though sometimes you do need to take a break, and it's nice to know that now you have a lot of options. By making the game much more doable with less people, it makes it more intimate, fun and less of a time sink. You get to know the 3-4 people that you do seals farming a lot, and everyone actually get something in return. The game is better than ever now simply because you have options and a lot of things to do once you reach lvl 90. -
03-16-2011, 07:04 AMRyoushin
The way I look at it, and I do apologize if I am wrong, is that I recently just returned to ffxi and brought my wife along to play. As she enjoys playing her hume/taru which ever she is in the mood to play. I try an teach her what I can, but even I am limited. Before my 2 year break I was playing healer in ToAU wiether it was whm/smn or smn/whm on my taru back when seraph was still up an running. When I get back into ffxi that server was down an now my only character is on bismarck which is where my wife an I created 2 new accts and I just use my original acct as a PL/run around (when need be). Yea there are things that I have long forgotten that I have to refer to wiki for i.e. quests, missions, etc.. But even I cant do it all alone.
When I started leveling and went to /sea i find all 90's an rarely anyone in the 10-20 range for the dunes. Then I learn about the level sync and the FoV, which is all still new to me because when it comes down to looking for members I dont know where to end the level search so its like /sea all 10-90 (example). Am I leading my wife down the wrong path as a beginner, no. She said herself she wants to learn her job before she continues any missions/quests. She favors SMN because of carby, as well as I favor fenrir, which when she is ready I geuss I would have to seek some help with this as my highest job on my original acct is 60smn.
Yes she has asked me if I can help her unlock smn once she hits 30 on her taru, which is her favorite char, but for myself its slightly easy because I sorta remember where to go an what to do without having to refer to wiki for help. Would I be able to assist her get all the smns so she has them at lvl 1 smn, not a chance. Do I give up on this... No. She an I play because we want to do the missions learn the story. So far ive helped her get to rank 2 and she found that enjoyable
Though I think im getting a bit off track here I will say this, as a returning player who seems more lost then ever, that brought in a new player to learn the ropes of old school, I think im doing an ok job. Do I claim to be a expert of ffxi, not a chance, but its a game, its enjoyable to my wife an myself, its just the lack of players on our server that I see the most.
Would I like to ask for help for my wife an myself so that not only she but myself as well has all summons for smn when she wishes to unlock it, sure I would, but its a matter of who is willing. Because truth be told when I unlocked smn back in 2007 I had to pay for not only each smn and my af. Getting help wasnt free. Did I want the summons... by all means definately. Would I pay someone to assist me with this. No..
That turned me off on asking for help so I have solo'd or tried to solo 99% of everything. Since I had my original acct ive used it to help unlock jobs on my new acct as well as PL my wife an i when we duo. Once thing I should note, that while she an I partied for the first time in the dunes we were invited to a ls, which my wife turned down because she didnt understand what an ls is. Though I did my best to explain this to her, she just prefers to play with me. Does that mean we are not going to join an ls. No.. When the time is right and the right ls comes along that isnt just about crying over abyss..
As is now my lvl 31 war, thats all I get invites for anymore. Yet I turn down everything except party invites for qufim or yuhtunga jungle (sp). So I geuss I have to sorta agree with an earlier post, its the older members who 1-90 leech thru abyss, while players like myself an a few others out there who go about it the old school ways of 1-10 solo 10-18(20ish) dunes 20-25(ish) qufim .... and im sure you get my point. Is that the same route im taking now with my wife.. of course because I remember the days when dc = 50 an em=100 ...
Is the game better, yes in same ways, its also hurtful to younger new players who have no one to guide them. So heres to the new players who need a guide who will try an do my best to help and assist. Your not alone, and my help is always /welcome on bismarck. -
03-18-2011, 01:30 AMFayez
I'm a new player and I've soloed to Lvl. 20 Thief. I have referred to Wiki for help because the first few days I was on there I didn't have a clue what I was doing or what I could do.
I still pretty much have no idea about my job class, but I think I'm slowly working it out.
The bigist problem I have at the moment is the fact I can't buy equipment from the shops as its all Lvl.1 and I bought it before, and there's nothing I can buy from the AH. After reading though peoples posts on here I think I should look more into quests to get items.
I've only talked to one person though, and he's offered me help to get items for my subjob and teach me a few things which I'm thankful for because I can't kill the monsters that have the items I need (I've tried and failed) Easy pray turns out to be monsters that kill me after I put up a 5 min fight.
I also think because I don't really know how I should ask for help I kinda just don't and try to work things out on my own, And thats not really the point of FFXI. I'm Sticking to the game though, because I think It'll have much to offer after I know more about the game :). -
03-18-2011, 02:15 AMUltraBlackoneDo you know which world server you are on? I'd be glad to help anyway I can.Quote:
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03-18-2011, 11:07 PMLunarblue
@ Ryoushin,
I'm also a player returning from a 1.5 year holiday, and thanks to all the changes in the last year, I'm a little bedazzled by it all. I'd like to catch up with you and people like you on Bismarck. I miss me some old school.
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03-19-2011, 12:49 PMRyoushin
@LunarBlue,
I greatly accept the invitation LunarBlue.. Just have to encourage my wife to want to venture outside the playing with me only stage as this is her first mmo game. Lets hope our prayers go out to all in this event that has plagued our friends across the world. -
03-20-2011, 08:21 AMMalthias
I just started back up two weeks ago after an almost 3 year break and i find I have no idea what im doing. Aside from low lvl quests the game is very different. I only have a few friends online but im stuck soloing all the way to 50. The game isn't as fun for me as it was before just because A) Every single person willing to accept a party invite will only do so for abyssea B) Few people have the time outside of trials and abyssea to help with quests i cant solo because of my level and C) Since no one crafts anymore there is almost no opportunity to farm for anything of worth and im forced to NPC otherwise low drops just to scrape by. Im Mnk42/Dnc21 yet i have only the gear i can get from Conquest points. It forces me to hunt NM's by myself for drops that aren't really worth it normally because i dont have the Gil or manpower to obtain items i need till im past the point i need them.
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03-20-2011, 10:08 AMLogandor
I'm almost always willing to help on outside aby stuff because to be honest aby confuses the heck out of me so I only go when the party I'm with doesn't mind me making a few mistakes here and there. Outside aby though I love to level, farm, unlock level caps, get af gear, and NM hunt. If anyone is on carbuncle server and needs a helping hand let me know and you can probably have not just me but probably a good portion of the ls I'm with there helping out. ^.^
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03-20-2011, 11:36 PMLegomikei love this too and will help any non leech on Garuda(Lakshmi) with itQuote:
Outside aby though I love to level, farm, unlock level caps, get af gear
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03-21-2011, 01:31 AMLaban
I'm a (voluntary) perma-lowbie myself, and though I'm pleased I'm not the only one trying to do as much as they can solo, I'm being forced to rethink that way of playing for non-traditional reasons. The game just keeps changing before I'm ready for it to. My main fear right now is an update that somehow nerfs G2 before I get tired of lying face down in the snow.
It kind of sucks that there's really no rational pace to take the game at where all the oodles of older content would be accessible, but still very challenging. -
03-27-2011, 02:11 PMLamer
I changed to Leviathan by making a new character. The people there are so much nicer. I am very happy with this game now bc I have a support system in case I need it. I joined a linkshell and they gave me gil to buy scrolls, helped me with 2nd job items, and answer any of my silly questions. It's very different if you have a linkshell. I like the game even more now. :D
edit: if you are new like me, don't pick Cerebreus server. The people there are (mostly) into themselves and dont even talk to you. Those who do are rare and if u ask too many questions they get annoyed and ignore. Not so on Leviathan. It has good people. -
04-07-2011, 12:45 AMkatz
love being invited to party and when you check they are level 7 and you are level 90. Hang about in the "just out side the city" areas and you will find new players wandering about telling you you can get to Jeuno they will take you but they dont have a chocobo or airship pass or even ops lol. This is one of the reasons why I dont go to Abyssea until I have reached 75. Who needs another 90 that quick any ways. You find lots of nice players still outside having a blast.
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04-26-2011, 05:04 PMLittlesinger
I have read a couple pages of these posts and decided I did want to comment. I have found that the AH on Ifrit has been strongly declining on whats available.. and part of that is where end game players spend all their time anymore..
It used to be you would see people crafting everywhere.. now its a shock to see someone do a craft.. even if it is holy water or a water tank for a nm fight in abyssea. I currently have 2 jobs at 85.. I dont have the merits for 90..
I rarely see parties anywhere.. most of the players I see are heading to abyssea. I can usually look on my ls and see 3/4 of everyone on in an abyssea zone.. some doing nms some doing exp.. some working quests.. but I see few partied outside there.. and on whole server I only know of one person who consistantly crafts.. and he has complained multiple times at the lack of simple cooking ingredients available at ah..
I really think the 75 cap for abyssea is going to help.. but people will just burn and pl themselves to 75 to get back to abyssea.
As for standard end game events.. I currently have no assault wins.. no nyzul runs complete.. and not a single set of missions complete.. as my two 85s are whm and blm.. kinda hard to solo anything as a taru whm..
When even someone as high as myself asks for help for a mission, the ones who bother to respond are usually just telling me they are headed to abyssea or killing nms in abyssea..
to me.. YES abyssea has done damage to FFXI, it hasnt destroyed it.. but it is damaged.. hopefully with the cap of 75 some people will leave and start leveling the old way..
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04-29-2011, 08:15 AMCarth
Echoing that Abyssea did some significant damage to the rest of the content. As a returning player (who was level 80) I was surprised at the extreme lack of people doing previous endgame content. I knew it would water down but I never expected it die. Worst part is almost all linkshells are dedicated to Abyssea or VNMs (which eventually go into Abyssea).
I also invited a friend into the game, and I had to make a new character on another server due to the merge. I can say straight-up that it is atrociously hard to make a dime, and the world just feels barren. Thanks to my experience I know how to make money (rule of thumb: if it stacks, put it on the AH), but I can't say the same for new players. Fortunately they're mergering the AHs into one system, which'll make this tons easier on the new players, but then there's the issue of no one crafting since you need money to craft in the first place, and with the Synergy update to augment old items this'll alienate crafting even further.
I'm usually one to say that expansions and new content should be catered to high levels since newer players have the old content to go through, but this really isn't the case anymore. There needs to be some catering to lower levels, and it doesn't need to be something like boosting EXP. A good first step is pushing the level restriction in Abyssea to 75, but I'd take it a step further and put new low level equipment that can be NPC-bought or quested. -
05-13-2011, 04:58 AMJassik
I'm fairly new as well, started an account about 4 years ago when I bought the game and got bored really fast because there wasn't any kind of easily found tutorial. I came back in January and got really lucky. I ran into a guy while running from a pair of goblins and he added me to his LS. They have been really helpful and I try not to abuse it.
But, I have noticed one thing, rather than help you accomplish something, a lot of veteran members will just drag you around. Go click this, lot that, wait here, etc. There's a lot of really tedious stuff to do early on, and it's nice to just get it over with, but I had subjob items in my inventory before I was even ready to use them. Looking back, I'm glad I was able to just get it done, but I think I missed out on a lot.
I have noticed it being a lot more populated since the merger, and a lot easier to pickup a party at almost any level. As long as you're in an area where people party at around your level with your flag up, you'll get a party pretty quick.