Wildskeeper Reive Feedback

The fights are too long and un interesting. I don't know about other servers but on mine every wildskeeper reive just involves 1 or 2 PLDs and then throwing as many SMN's at it as you can find. leaving everyone else to just fight the normal mobs. There has to be a better way to kill these things.

As I discovered today, idiots aren't going to listen to anything that they're told. You tell them not do do any magic damage on the raptor NM, and therefore no WS as they might make a SC, and look at that, wildfire, and a SC within 10 secs of starting it.

I can well imagine that it's exactly the same in a WKR. It's not SEs fault that idiots play their game, but it would be nice to have some way to get rid of people from the reive who aren't listening, other than managing to get a BLM in their pt to D2 them.

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Originally Posted by Babekeke

It's not SEs fault that idiots play their game

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SE should probably balance Wildskeeper Reives around idiots, especially as interest begins to wane.

I will echo what was said about this event being not so friendly to the Xbox 360 player base. I froze up 3 time last night during a Harkun run and ended up losing my reive ki because of it. I would also like to see the ki's not be consumed until the end of the fight. While bayld isn't "hard" to get, it is time consuming and rather unfun.

I think the biggest problem wit that is people could warp out near the end or once they have capped xp/bayld and just continue doing them over and over.

Hello, I just did my first wildkeepers rieve yesterday, and I must say It is impressive I went up against the fire naakul and the fight took a little under 2 hours to complete (not bad considering it was a group of randoms) One of the major problems I see with wildskeepers is people reverting back to WoE style combat where everyone brings in smns for the fights (I saw alot of them there, more than likely in the majority but def more than the other jobs present) I liked the spacing ofthe mobs and I enjoy the mobs you put in there for TP so us mele do not have to be on the boss all the time for our tp and stops feeding to boss.

About the only complaint I have with wildskeepers is the players... they lack the tact to work together imho I can only be as experienced of an endgamer as I can be before I have to start relying on other people..... But alas SE you can't fix that

One suggestion I have is anyone who enters the rieve solo is auto grouped into any alliance or parties available.... If we are in this together it shouldn't be exclusive to one group of players. It helps to see peoples HP and MP and eases players ability to target others during critical times..

Alsofor those echoing the xbox issue are you lowering the amount of people visible on screen before you enter the rieve, reducing shadows and cloud effects would help you out also.

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Originally Posted by Helldemon

I think the biggest problem wit that is people could warp out near the end or once they have capped xp/bayld and just continue doing them over and over.

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You don't do WKRs for xp/bayld... you do them to LOSE xp/bayld. If you want xp/bayld, just do lair and col reives in Marjami Ravine, or if that's too crowded, form a PUP party and tear reives to pieces in Yorcia Weald.

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Originally Posted by Kristal

You don't do WKRs for xp/bayld... you do them to LOSE xp/bayld. If you want xp/bayld, just do lair and col reives in Marjami Ravine, or if that's too crowded, form a PUP party and tear reives to pieces in Yorcia Weald.

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It was in response to the idea of losing the KI at the end of a battle rather than upon entrance. If you lost it only at the end then people could come in for a continuous stream of Bayld till the last 5% then just warp out or walk out so they keep their KI, but make a killing during the fight.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

It was in response to the idea of losing the KI at the end of a battle rather than upon entrance. If you lost it only at the end then people could come in for a continuous stream of Bayld till the last 5% then just warp out or walk out so they keep their KI, but make a killing during the fight.

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definately abuseable to circumvent farming bayld for the runs in the first plac. I concur.

It has its flaws, but it is a good idea over all. The fact you have to lose your KI to enter is fairly stupid in my opinion, for many reasons. Reives seem to be made for a drop in drop out kind of thing, you can not see how many people are in a WK Reive though, so if you just go running into one, you can find yourself alone. Besides that, you also have the issue with coming a job which does 0 damage, or dying and never getting a raise, forcing you to home point and forfeit your KI. While the Bayld thing is an issue, if it could be resolved in a way it would be a great help to people. Bayld farming is boring, no one wants to do it, I do not think it makes sense to allow people to abuse it in that kind of way, no, but at the same time, I do not think people should be able to lose their KI so easily either, because it costs to much, and tkes to much time to get just to lose it stupidly like that.

Make it so that you can't get a drop you already have. If I already have Zapdos' bullet I should not get nothing because I rolled another bullet drop. Force a re-roll until it goes to something I don't have. That way I know there's a maximum of 6 times I have to do the thing, ever. 450k Bayld is a fair enough price, don'tcha think?

Then maybe after I have all 6 items you can make capes drop. First cape should be the job I'm on, and if I already have it, give me a random one.

Also, you've learned a lot since Voidwatch, but you still don't understand that nobody wants logs and ores from event fights. Not one person. Ever.

I don't see it being a way of abusing the system if people did 95% of a battle then warped out to save their KI.

Firstly, to get bayld, then they must have contributed to the fight. So they helped everyone else out, even though they didn't need/want the KI OR A DROP FROM THE NAAKUAL.

And how much bayld can you actually get back from doing a 2 hour reive anyway? I assume that getting 30k back was back when they were lasting 4+ hours?

In Yahse Hunting Grounds, I can get nearly 20k Bayld an hour when I have my impritarus maxed out (as they often are) by doing 4 CRs and a LR then running back to town to get a new coalition assignment.

Without impritarus, it's 14k/hour Bayld for the CRs and ~1k for each LR that you can squeeze in before the CRs are up again.

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Originally Posted by Vriska_Serket

Make it so that you can't get a drop you already have. If I already have Zapdos' bullet I should not get nothing because I rolled another bullet drop. Force a re-roll until it goes to something I don't have. That way I know there's a maximum of 6 times I have to do the thing, ever. 450k Bayld is a fair enough price, don'tcha think?

Then maybe after I have all 6 items you can make capes drop. First cape should be the job I'm on, and if I already have it, give me a random one.

Also, you've learned a lot since Voidwatch, but you still don't understand that nobody wants logs and ores from event fights. Not one person. Ever.

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I agree. I just did Yumcax and 3 nights in a row didn't get any item at all, but I already acquired the Cape, Hat, and Neck. Otherwise it's just a waste of Bayld for long hour battles

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Originally Posted by Zuidar

I agree. I just did Yumcax and 3 nights in a row didn't get any item at all, but I already acquired the Cape, Hat, and Neck. Otherwise it's just a waste of Bayld for long hour battles

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Make sure your inv isn't full, too!

The whole Cor and SMN as the main damage dealers on the bosses in wildkeepers still isn't all that fun for everyone else there. Can you tone down the aoe at all so people are getting 1 shotted by aoe.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

The whole Cor and SMN as the main damage dealers on the bosses in wildkeepers still isn't all that fun for everyone else there. Can you tone down the aoe at all so people are getting 1 shotted by aoe.

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This should all change with the Utsusemi update next month.

Well, unless the AOE is magical, not physical, of course.

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Originally Posted by Vriska_Serket

Make it so that you can't get a drop you already have. If I already have Zapdos' bullet I should not get nothing because I rolled another bullet drop. Force a re-roll until it goes to something I don't have. That way I know there's a maximum of 6 times I have to do the thing, ever. 450k Bayld is a fair enough price, don'tcha think?

Then maybe after I have all 6 items you can make capes drop. First cape should be the job I'm on, and if I already have it, give me a random one.

Also, you've learned a lot since Voidwatch, but you still don't understand that nobody wants logs and ores from event fights. Not one person. Ever.

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SE give me what I want so i can stand around afk in shinies faster pretty much what I read here...you also fail to understand why you get a log and or ore from VW. (heres a hint, its not because they find value in the item for it for you...)

and personally I want capes to drop whenever, I don't want to invest 300k+ bayld just so I can start to have a chance at cape drops. but i do agree that I wish they'd make the capes more predictable to some extent...perhaps mele(bear in mind I tanks are in this area also) oriented capes drop if your mele and mage capes drop if your a mage (I would think blu would fit here?)

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Originally Posted by Babekeke

I don't see it being a way of abusing the system if people did 95% of a battle then warped out to save their KI.

Firstly, to get bayld, then they must have contributed to the fight. So they helped everyone else out, even though they didn't need/want the KI OR A DROP FROM THE NAAKUAL.

And how much bayld can you actually get back from doing a 2 hour reive anyway? I assume that getting 30k back was back when they were lasting 4+ hours?

In Yahse Hunting Grounds, I can get nearly 20k Bayld an hour when I have my impritarus maxed out (as they often are) by doing 4 CRs and a LR then running back to town to get a new coalition assignment.

Without impritarus, it's 14k/hour Bayld for the CRs and ~1k for each LR that you can squeeze in before the CRs are up again.

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my first rieve the other day i invested 45k into it came out with about 22-24kish bayld for about 2 hours worth of work.

please make it so you can trade two or three pieces of gear from the bosses for one that you would like.

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Originally Posted by Richie

please make it so you can trade two or three pieces of gear from the bosses for one that you would like.

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make it 3 pieces of gear and 200k bayld deal!

My suggestions are:

1- Remove the cap limti on Bayld and exp from wildskeepers, cap to 25K on both and when ppl can they stop doing something and just afk/wait until megaboss is dead. removing cap should be good idea because ppl will do more actions, supports andhealing to gain more baylds and exp, sometimes is too frustrating to spend 50k-75k Bayld and get nothing.

2.- change out drops on wildskeepers, more or less this is my idea.
2.1.- shitty item (yes you can put your flint stones here or logs, np)
2.2.-JSE cape 100% drop you can do it based on what job you are or just random, the idea about get the cape based on your job is much better, more ppl can come diferent jobs.
2.3.- our wildskeeper item, armor/weapons/accesories. A friend told me what should be cool if SE would remove the items from pool when you have them so you can get the ones you want, example, if you have axe, scythe bullet, they would be removed only from your personal pool so you can get a chance at getting the rest of items. im not sure if this is possible. My idea about this is if an item what you have already is going to drop to you again, and you cant remove it, just give us 10k-20k bayld based on what item was.

3.- should be possible make the items you have already into cells, similar to Voidwatchs, you can put them on AH and others ppl can buy them and get what they want.

These are fun when they go moderately well. Adjustments need to be made to not allow for Pandemonium Warden length battles however. 15 hour+ Yumcax (still going I presume).

Two proposed fixes: Lower the risk factor of the entry item- cost is ok as is, but consider not loosing the key item if you homepoint, or, being able to "repair" it for a reduced cost. Many people stayed in Yorica Weald for way too long because of this.

Other solution- if the colonization rate is truley designed to make the mobs easier to fight, do not even allow entry into the WKR if the rate is below a reasonable percentage.

Other feedback- please evaluate alliance enmity for these. It can be very difficult to communicate how this works across different languages, and when a single person in the group doesnt understand to stay down, it can take an extraordinarily long time to recover. It's my impression that Wildskeeper rieves are meant to be challenging, but also pick up group friendly. When 1 rogue individual can cause 150+ players to wipe, I think there are some issues. The two new areas are very tightly packed without much of a "safe" place to recover.

If you have an idiot in your alliance, remove them, or yourself from said alliance^^

Tonight I joined my first wildskeeper Reive, and I got to say it just been a terrible experience. I'm unable to switch jobs because I lose KI, people are causing massive wipes, theres too much paralysis, sleep, and slow, an the fight last too long. This is by far the most disorganized content I ever engaged in. I Also noticed that Rune Fencer does horrible in this reive. My lunges (wind based) were MAGIC BURSTING for 500ish dmg against the adds in Yorcia Weald's Wildskeeper. my lunges will usually MB around 3.7k against mobs in colonization reive, or near 6k if they are weak to magic. So yeah, my feedback is that this content isn't really enjoyable.

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Originally Posted by Kaeviathan

Tonight I joined my first wildskeeper Reive, and I got to say it just been a terrible experience. I'm unable to switch jobs because I lose KI, people are causing massive wipes, theres too much paralysis, sleep, and slow, an the fight last too long. This is by far the most disorganized content I ever engaged in. I Also noticed that Rune Fencer does horrible in this reive. My lunges (wind based) were MAGIC BURSTING for 500ish dmg against the adds in Yorcia Weald's Wildskeeper. my lunges will usually MB around 3.7k against mobs in colonization reive, or near 6k if they are weak to magic. So yeah, my feedback is that this content isn't really enjoyable.

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Yorcia Weald is a pain to navigate (map, geography, chigoes, TSH panopts), so people tend to avoid it when farming for capes and bayld. Which keeps the colonization rate low, meaning Yumcax and his pets have a high damage reduction.

Marjami Ravine WKR is FAR easier, usually wrapped up within an hour with less of a mess. And you can actually get to the reive solo, once you unlocked "Climbing".

I have to agree regarding Yorcia Weald. The place is a literal labyrinth, and the map does absolutely NOTHING to help guide us to where we need to go.

If the map were updated to be more user friendly (showing actual pathways and not a conglomeration of shrubbery) then people would be more inclined to participate in Colonization Reives there. Which in turn would raise the Colonization Rate, which, in turn, would make Yacumax a much easier fight as opposed to the 24+ hour marathon session I've been hearing about on Quetzalcoatl server.

To be honest, I'm surprised none of the gamer news outlets hasn't gotten a hold of this news yet. Would be horribly bad press for SE again. Remember Pandaemonium Warden a few years back and the bad press SE got from that?

55k bayld 6hrs for a voay staff -1 isn't really on my list of enjoyable things to do with my life list. That is one of single biggest issues I have actually spent over 200K bayld for no reward whats so ever at least the nothing drops got fixed but really if I have an item and a dup drops I get nothing again blows just the same.

Only one thing: the game shouldn't roll you an item you already have, ever. These things may take hours on many servers and it is beyond ridiculous that you can walk out empty-handed. Please make it so 1 drop is guaranteed but only among the items you don't already possess.

I just got nothing for x2 as a reward from the longest Yumcax fight I've participated in to date. Someone in my linkshell has gotten no drops 7 times.

I was disconnected from the game from the game shortly before the WK reive ended. I log back on and don't have any items, permission to fight the next WK reive, or patience. I was an asset to the server's efforts in defeating the Boss for about 5 hours, I was unable to recieve more bayld or exp for remuneration and when I log back on I got nothing....

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Originally Posted by Siviard

I have to agree regarding Yorcia Weald. The place is a literal labyrinth, and the map does absolutely NOTHING to help guide us to where we need to go.

If the map were updated to be more user friendly (showing actual pathways and not a conglomeration of shrubbery) then people would be more inclined to participate in Colonization Reives there. Which in turn would raise the Colonization Rate, which, in turn, would make Yacumax a much easier fight as opposed to the 24+ hour marathon session I've been hearing about on Quetzalcoatl server.

To be honest, I'm surprised none of the gamer news outlets hasn't gotten a hold of this news yet. Would be horribly bad press for SE again. Remember Pandaemonium Warden a few years back and the bad press SE got from that?

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Just remember people chose to stay there for 27 hours... SE already stated if your doing it longer than 4-5 hours your prolly doing it wrong.

as far as yorica weald go... japanese have a fancy for yggdrasil or a "World tree" and most of the time anything involving them involves labrynths and danger especially getting to said tree... It's also an area steeped in plot for missions ahead. I'm sure :P

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Just remember people chose to stay there for 27 hours... SE already stated if your doing it longer than 4-5 hours your prolly doing it wrong.

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Too bad that by making the KI expended upon entry, they aren't exactly encouraging people to leave and waste all that bayld in order to adjust their jobs/strategy.

It's 75k bayld...... build up a new one... renewable resource.. people are puting to much value in an INFINITE source of money... you also have an INFINITE amount of game time to aquire said bayld (barring RL restrictions of course) who in their right mind forces themselves to stay in a rieve just because they dont want to revise their battle strategy?

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Originally Posted by Umichi

It's 75k bayld...... build up a new one... renewable resource.. people are puting to much value in an INFINITE source of money... you also have an INFINITE amount of game time to aquire said bayld (barring RL restrictions of course) who in their right mind forces themselves to stay in a rieve just because they dont want to revise their battle strategy?

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Because if we were fighting these things like we were supposed to it'd be at or near 100% colonization rate meaning they'll die faster than someone can farm up 75k Bayld unless they do the Skirmish Bayld farm thing that has some people on this forum pissed off.

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Originally Posted by Umichi

It's 75k bayld...... build up a new one... renewable resource.. people are puting to much value in an INFINITE source of money... you also have an INFINITE amount of game time to aquire said bayld (barring RL restrictions of course) who in their right mind forces themselves to stay in a rieve just because they dont want to revise their battle strategy?

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Everything is a renewable resource if you have forever...

But people only have so much time to farm this crap and it's not all that much fun.

Please consider making the Library Achievement for getting the Nakuul KIs repeatable in choosing an item. Make it per conquest tally, 30 days, something, because the absurd amount of time it takes to down Hurkan, Yumcax, even Achuka and Tchakka on Shiva is horrendous. Especially Hurkan and Yumcax, with the chance of getting no drops, or the same drop over and over.

To give people incentives to do these fights even if they have all items, offer Bayld (25,000 at least), Plasm (20,000?), or an airlixir +2 as potential rewards.

well if people would go out and do the rieves... I mean if a mob of players like there are in marjami went over to yorica I'm sure there would be no problem... thing is people wan't ez mode if you guys can be a little choo choo train in marjami you can be a little choo choo train in yorica.

Thing is, you couldn't. If you moved all the people from Marjami to Yorcia you'd spend half the time standing around. There are 7 colonization reives in Marjami and 4 in Yorcia.

well then the player population would adjust... I still see no effort to down colonization rieves to defeat the boss.