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03-23-2011, 01:40 PM
Puddings

What is an Isladar?
03-23-2011, 01:47 PM
casual

Isladar is BG's executioner.
03-23-2011, 02:05 PM
TearValerin

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

Oh okay.

http://images.bluegartr.com/bucket/g...d26f31af58.jpg

Taking the 25% damage bonus Piercing gets on Buzzflies, 5401 > 4601. :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...3-13-12-06.jpg
Nonpiercing mob bonus, tis my regular damage, and my WS gear isnt even complete yet.
03-23-2011, 02:07 PM
casual

Takes extra damage while casting, try again. You will respond with a "but it wasn't casting", so don't even bother.
03-23-2011, 02:09 PM
Greatguardian

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Originally Posted by casual

Takes extra damage while casting, try again. You will respond with a "but it wasn't casting", so don't even bother.

This ^ I am reaching my 10 character limit. Don't you have a Gungnir anyways? Why discount Empyrean WS if using a Relic weapon? =P
03-23-2011, 02:17 PM
TearValerin

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

This ^ I am reaching my 10 character limit. Don't you have a Gungnir anyways? Why discount Empyrean WS if using a Relic weapon? =P

All Gungnir is doing for me is decent TP phase damage, its base weapon damage does almost nothing for Drakesbane's WSC. On top of that, Drakesbane isn't an Empyrean WS, has pretty damn low FTP, where on the other hand, smite has a lot higher WSC mods/FTP. WAR and MNK who brag about ridiculous damage with Ukko's/Smite are lolable when there is a job who can do comparable damage without ridiculous gear to do so.
03-23-2011, 02:32 PM
Greatguardian

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Originally Posted by TearValerin

All Gungnir is doing for me is decent TP phase damage, its base weapon damage does almost nothing for Drakesbane's WSC. On top of that, Drakesbane isn't an Empyrean WS, has pretty damn low FTP, where on the other hand, smite has a lot higher WSC mods/FTP. WAR and MNK who brag about ridiculous damage with Ukko's/Smite are lolable when there is a job who can do comparable damage without ridiculous gear to do so.

4.0 fTP isn't super low. It's also a D:133 weapon. Victory Smite, comparatively, is a 5.25 fTP WS with a D:79 weapon and 10% more WSC from STR (before alpha). Also, you asked for non-Empyrean WS, so I used a Mythic WS like your SS and outdid it by 17%. That was long before I had Verethragna, too :( so I was really using a D:68 weapon with a WS with 2.0 fTP and only a 50% VIT mod over Drakes.
03-23-2011, 02:49 PM
TearValerin

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

4.0 fTP isn't super low. It's also a D:133 weapon. Victory Smite, comparatively, is a 5.25 fTP WS with a D:79 weapon and 10% more WSC from STR (before alpha). Also, you asked for non-Empyrean WS, so I used a Mythic WS like your SS and outdid it by 17%. That was long before I had Verethragna, too :( so I was really using a D:68 weapon with a WS with 2.0 fTP and only a 50% VIT mod over Drakes.

1. Damage on the weapon does little to nothing for Drakesbane, you will see similar numbers whether its Corseca +2, Vougier's Contus, Rhongo, or Gungnir.

2. Drakesbane is 4 hit, and only has 1.0 FTP. In order for it to have 4, it would have to have a description like Blade: Hi that says 'deals quadrple damage.' Or Rudra's etc. Fourfold means 4 hits, not 4 FTP like Hi.

3. Refering back to point 1, your ws are heavily DMG dependant, mine aren't. Drakesbane is a beast with average mods.

Where is your source on Clionids taking more damage? I've ran a search and only see posts of them taking half damage from magic under certain circumstances while casting.
03-23-2011, 02:55 PM
Greatguardian

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Originally Posted by TearValerin

1. Damage on the weapon does little to nothing for Drakesbane, you will see similar numbers whether its Corseca +2, Vougier's Contus, Rhongo, or Gungnir.

2. Drakesbane is 4 hit, and only has 1.0 FTP. In order for it to have 4, it would have to have a description like Blade: Hi that says 'deals quadrple damage.' Or Rudra's etc. Fourfold means 4 hits, not 4 FTP like Hi.

3. Refering back to point 1, your ws are heavily DMG dependant, mine aren't. Drakesbane is a beast with average mods.

Where is your source on Clionids taking more damage? I've ran a search and only see posts of them taking half damage from magic under certain circumstances while casting.

The fTP listed on wiki is only for the first hit in any WS... all subsequent hits are 1.0 fTP. That's where I'm getting those values from. Base damage is also a fairly big deal, considering WSC is affected by Alpha. Smite gets a measly 20%* more WSC from STR than Drakesbane, I'm not sure how that makes such a huge difference.

Are you Wafflechan? Honestly, I couldn't care less about having higher WS numbers. I just thought it was funny that you had a 4.6k WS in your sig (Yes, it's 4.6k taking that piercing bonus out).

* 60% vs 50%, so a 20% increase. Or, 10% more of Str pre-Alpha, 8.5% of Str post-Alpha, etc etc. All in all, with 200~ STR, maybe 17 more WSC?
03-23-2011, 03:00 PM
TearValerin

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

The fTP listed on wiki is only for the first hit in any WS... all subsequent hits are 1.0 fTP. That's where I'm getting those values from. Base damage is also a fairly big deal, considering WSC is affected by Alpha. Smite gets literally 8.5% more WSC from STR than Drakesbane, I'm not sure how that makes such a huge difference.

Are you Wafflechan? Honestly, I couldn't care less about having higher WS numbers. I just thought it was funny that you had a 4.6k WS in your sig (Yes, it's 4.6k taking that piercing bonus out).

Yes, and the first hit, and all the hits of Drakes are all 1, and since Polearms are high DMG weapons, adding extra DMG doesn't affect the damage that much (especially during Drakesbane which is a high base D weaponskill.) Regardless, I have it in my sig because it was my first WS pic after I got to try Drakesbane in Abyssea. No, I don't know what a Wafflechan is either.
03-23-2011, 03:05 PM
Greatguardian

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Originally Posted by TearValerin

Yes, and the first hit, and all the hits of Drakes are all 1, and since Polearms are high DMG weapons, adding extra DMG doesn't affect the damage that much (especially during Drakesbane which is a high base D weaponskill.) Regardless, I have it in my sig because it was my first WS pic after I got to try Drakesbane in Abyssea. No, I don't know what a Wafflechan is either.

Oh okay, thought I'd ask. Apparently I'm e-famous and have my own thread on FFXIAH for "e-peening the official forums". I'm not sure what you mean, though. Drakesbane is a 4.0 fTP 50% STR WS. So, let's assume you have 200 STR in Abyssea, you're looking at 85 WSC to add to your base damage of 133. You're still getting way more out of the base damage of your weapon than you are from WSC. If you have less than 200 STR, the gap widens and you gain even more from your weapon's base damage than WSC.

Edit: In the above scenario, every 1 damage you add to Gungnir (90) is a .5% increase in WS damage. Not horrible, but better than the equivalent in WSC.
03-23-2011, 05:40 PM
Anon

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Originally Posted by Kazen

No offense to anyone here but... judging from the average quality of majority of the posts I've read on this forum, I think this would be a terrible idea. Most of the posts I've read here seem to contain a literacy rate that I wouldn't even consider a high school level. Unless they were extremely careful on their selections I could see a lot of favoritism and false reports just because a poster made them mad.

I feel that a user moderator base forum works better with a site that lacks any official endorsements, otherwise you would end up with a skewed community where you can definitely see the favoritism be it one side or the other. An example of this would be a comparison of Alla to BG; it's easily apparent that Alla caters to the more casual player while BG focuses on the more elite end game focused people. Neither of these two forums are wrong in either way, however, you can see which side the favoritism on each forum lies easily.

In summary for the tldr people... I think the tags for the thread sum this up in my opinion.

This x 1000
To be honest the convo between greatguardian & tearsforfears here has went way off topic. And should have been moderated to reflect this. Oh wait... maybe sometimes veering off course is a good thing.
03-23-2011, 05:42 PM
Greatguardian

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Originally Posted by Anon

This x 1000
To be honest the convo between greatguardian & tearsforfears here has went way off topic. And should have been moderated to reflect this. Oh wait... maybe sometimes veering off course is a good thing.

I'd use PMs if there was a PM function :(
03-23-2011, 05:49 PM
Anon

I figured lol. My point is that the moderators decided to let it go. Most likely to allow tearface to saveface and let the topic die. Now if you had a "volunteer mod" who hated you because of your dual standing between this site and another.... well the chances of your initial post that started your retort would have been nuked are pretty good. And I'd be perma banned lol.
03-23-2011, 05:50 PM
Greatguardian

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Originally Posted by Anon

I figured lol. My point is that the moderators decided to let it go. Most likely to allow tearface to saveface and let the topic die. Now if you had a "volunteer mod" who hated you because of your dual standing between this site and another.... well the chances of your initial post that started your retort would have been nuked are pretty good. And I'd be perma banned lol.

Pretty much, lol.

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