Level 99 Relic, Mythic, Empyrean, and WoE Weapons

The big jump in base dmg on these new weapons is stupid Relic emp mythic should always be your highest base dmg weapons I wouldn't mind seeing that only the 99 Emp relic mythic weapons get a big boost in dmg and drop these new weapons dmg down some I've work hard for the weapons I have and still feel like I got screwed from 1500 kill shots on undead before you lower that (NO MORE KILL SHOT BS) now you make a post like this either tell us your going to fix the base dmg on REM weapons or tell us you wasted people's hard work and time to get them so I can quite and never play a game you make again

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Originally Posted by SNK

You know, even as vauge as he's being about this I understand why he's having to be because he wants to assure you that relics, emps, & mythics will in the end be better then before. He could have just said "Hey ok sorry but new content so you guys gotta adapt or move on" but he's trying to speak with you folks humbly about what they have planned and the amount of hate I'm seeing spew from some of you people is hilarious.

Until the final product is released on the weapons,a lot you should just calm the fuck down and wait if what he does is either the best thing possible or a waste of time. Yes I have a relic and several emps also but I didn't explode in anger over this like a lot of you have.~

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Why would we wait to get it fixed when we can stop it before that happens? He already said one of the ideas they have and everyone pretty much hates it. What better way to get feedback than this? Waiting until that idea is released live is stupid because then its harder to go back and fix it.

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Originally Posted by SNK

he wants to assure you that relics, emps, & mythics will in the end be better then before

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If he wanted to assure us of this, then this absurd idea should never have been posted to begin with.

A simple fix to this is a trial, Your bringing skirmish stuff and delve stuff out. To do delve you state you need skirmish items. SO add a trial to relics just like you have in the past. "Bring me 5 Airlixers" to show you have done Delve to show you trying the new content. In Return your REMs get upgraded to where they should belong.

Look at that i fixed your problem SE now get it done instead of faffing about.

Man the emo kids having another complete melt down at least they are looking at the issue. Hopefully it will be something reasonable. Maybe they will rework the ws that will make them more or less version 2.0 with higher damage modifiers and aftermaths the verdict isn't in yet. You and your weapon become one so to speak.....

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Originally Posted by Draylo

Why would we wait to get it fixed when we can stop it before that happens? He already said one of the ideas they have and everyone pretty much hates it. What better way to get feedback than this? Waiting until that idea is released live is stupid because then its harder to go back and fix it.

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Speaking of, what happened to the Test Server? Delve never found its way there, nor Skirmish. The reason Reives and the like didn't is obvious. But the devs keep talking about testing new things, why not let the players test them...on the sever dedicated to that purpose?

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Originally Posted by HimuraKenshyn

Man the emo kids having another complete melt down at least they are looking at the issue. Hopefully it will be something reasonable. Maybe they will rework the ws that will make them more or less version 2.0 with higher damage modifiers and aftermaths the verdict isn't in yet. You and your weapon become one so to speak.....

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When you have put time and effort into A relic or mythic you can say stuff like this. But don't bother until then.

So much QQ tears flowing here, it's so delicious.

Honestly, I feel for the development team here. They're trapped between a rock and a whirling whirlpool here. You have this set of ultimate weapons which are supposedly the most powerful weapons in the game. Yet, in order to progress this game, they need to create more powerful enemies, which require more powerful weapons above that mark.

Seriously, just raising the damage on the REMC weapons is only a band-aid solution. What happens when new content and new enemies that require more powerful weapons are released? Just raise it again?

O also forgot if your going to let these new weapons get the Relic or Emp weapon skills would be a big slap in the face to everyone. at least that's my two cents know it's not much but my 3-4 accounts will go inactive if something isn't said before my next payment is due already let two accounts go inactive have no problem letting the others go also

Id take a rollback and delve content being removed before i would bend to accept this new content personally. This and the proposed fix are unacceptable, end of story in my book.

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Originally Posted by Keyln

So much QQ tears flowing here, it's so delicious.

Honestly, I feel for the development team here. They're trapped between a rock and a whirling whirlpool here. You have this set of ultimate weapons which are supposedly the most powerful weapons in the game. Yet, in order to progress this game, they need to create more powerful enemies, which require more powerful weapons above that mark.

Seriously, just raising the damage on the REMC weapons is only a band-aid solution. What happens when new content and new enemies that require more powerful weapons are released? Just raise it again?

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Precisely.

Who are the 5 people who actually liked the OP?!!
There you have it SE, your new player base!

I think the best and simplest solution to this is to increase the damage on Relic/Empy/Mythics when they reach the afterglow stage to something close to what the best weapons in the game currently have so at least they have a chance at competing.

Wow, sucks for you guys.

Still, obviously these aren't regular old WSs, or else it wouldn't take as much through as what they are apparently putting into it -- I'd like to see what it turns out like, but mostly I'm glad I don't have to give a fuck one way or another.

RME's lots my respect when half of the community started walking around with them. When you tell me everyone job in the game only has 3 weapon choices (At the most) and most only have 2, I'm immediately no-longer interested.

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Originally Posted by dartcron

I think the best and simplest solution to this is to increase the damage on Relic/Empy/Mythics when they reach the afterglow stage to something close to what the best weapons in the game currently have so at least they have a chance at competing.

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I'd say at 99. Afterglow shouldn't be required.

Or just doing emergency maint calculating a curve to put actual bravura to 156 99 no glow to 250 dmg so it compete with dev stuff keeping is x2.5 dmg etc ws this only for Example not rly hard c.c

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Originally Posted by Yambo99

When you have put time and effort into A relic or mythic you can say stuff like this. But don't bother until then.

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Actually I have been sitting on 50 mil for my final upgrade for my rag for awhile now and have a few emps no biggie. I believe instead of /wrist see what they can come up with for sure having 5 accounts I pay more than most and still enjoy the game with 3 ebisu rods and 2 lu shangs making gil to make what ever is just a matter of how bored I am and the weapons are just about how much gil you want to spend...

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Originally Posted by Kojo

I'd say at 99. Afterglow shouldn't be required.

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It should.

If you're not DONE with the weapon, you shouldn't be asking for an update. It sucks, because the afterglow is a ridiculous requirement, but frankly if you don't have it then you're not finished with the weapon.

Now whatever this plan they are working on is, it should ping off of any lv. 99... but if they do a damage boost you should have to have Afterglow first.

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Originally Posted by HimuraKenshyn

Actually I have been sitting on 50 mil for my final upgrade for my rag for awhile now and have a few emps no biggie. I believe instead of /wrist see what they can come up with for sure having 5 accounts I pay more than most and still enjoy the game with 3 ebisu rods and 2 lu shangs making gil to make what ever is just a matter of how bored I am and the weapons are just about how much gil you want to spend...

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You just pushed the button man i have 5 account i bot fishing lol excuse me for just point the fact ...

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Originally Posted by Horadrim

It should.

If you're not DONE with the weapon, you shouldn't be asking for an update. It sucks, because the afterglow is a ridiculous requirement, but frankly if you don't have it then you're not finished with the weapon.

Now whatever this plan they are working on is, it should ping off of any lv. 99... but if they do a damage boost you should have to have Afterglow first.

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Then Afterglow should benefit the person spending the time and money on it.

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Originally Posted by alexander45

You just pushed man i have 5 account i bot fishing lol excuse me for just point the fact ...

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What ever you like to believe is up to you. It's pretty easy for me to make a Relic in a couple of months farming dynamis fishing is just my passion lol.

I have 2 relics and 4 empyreans not a lot compared to some people but I did my share of them.

What it seems like with this expansion is SE has changed their design philosophy. As seen in this topic
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...591#post409591

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Level Design of Seekers of Adoulin
For those players who have reached level 99, the main focus of growth is equipment. We envision a play cycle where players take on content with their current gear in order to collect equipment with better stats, and then take on more difficult content to procure even better equipment.

We are currently working to make it so there is a common gauge for equipment and content (let's call it content levels for the time being), and to create index data that will allow those who are implementing equipment and content to have a more objective understanding of the equipment stats and monster strength. Ultimately I would like to be able to release information indicating the content level to all of you adventurers. While this is still in a phase where work needs to be done, I'm getting the feeling that things are coming together bit by bit.

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They are going with a vertical gear progression model similar to the majority of other MMOs out there. I know the previous r/m/e took a lot of effort to get. Now with their new model they are getting replaced.

SE has never replaced relic weapons before they always added alternatives like mythics or empyreans. Which make sense a lot of people seem to be upset over it.

Seems like they want us to go with their new gear progression model, if you don't like it you can always unsub I suppose.

Personally I don't like that all my effort seems to have gone to waste since they never done anything like it but if I find people to still play the game with, this gives me something to work toward.

The game just went form a bunch of dual boxing / solo farming dynamis/abyessea to get the best weapons in the game to something that takes a large group effort to get.

Camate just make them on top damage wise and make them even more powerful. Plain and simple. Just unlocking the WSs is completely stupid. Making someone spent 120-450mil on a weapon to unlock a weapon skill is crazy. So what you are saying is get weapon upgrade it to 99 and then don't use it.

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Originally Posted by Kojo

Then Afterglow should benefit the person spending the time and money on it.

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Agreed. I know of 3 people who have afterglow on their weapons. The whole concept was stupid from the start and having it is its own reward.

99.9% of RME owners will never afterglow their weapons because it's just a gimmick which was added needlessly.

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Originally Posted by Unctgtg

Camate just make them on top damage wise and make them even more powerful. Plain and simple. Just unlocking the WSs is completely stupid. Making someone spent 120-450mil on a weapon to unlock a weapon skill is crazy. So what you are saying is get weapon upgrade it to 99 and then don't use it.

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just think about mytic lol already unlocking ws before doing a mytic there no point in matsui idea!
and ps i love your picture dude !

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Originally Posted by Zumi

The game just went form a bunch of dual boxing / solo farming dynamis/abyessea to get the best weapons in the game to something that takes a large group effort to get.

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Oh you mean the end game has gone back to it's roots with still the ability now to earn a nice weapons and gear for your trouble. Back in the day when our dynamis shell was 64 peeps and our leaders robbed peeps blind of currency I remember those days well. But heck the rest of us got to lot for our relics >.>...

god forbid they do something smart like oh i dno … make a new path for trials that diverge before that Afterglow shit and let us up the DMG on our current weapon! NOOOOO let's do something f$%#$ retarded and add access to the weapon skills on other weapons! f!@#% brilliant SE go and f@#$ in an offwardly direction! .... if you make this shit useless 4 months after i just finished getting it 99 you can do without my 36$ a month ... this is the last straw on the camels back

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Originally Posted by alexander45

just think about mytic lol already unlocking ws before doing a mytic there no point in matsui idea!
and ps i love your picture dude !

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Exactly.. I am about to start my postings again.

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Originally Posted by Keyln

So much QQ tears flowing here, it's so delicious.

Honestly, I feel for the development team here. They're trapped between a rock and a whirling whirlpool here. You have this set of ultimate weapons which are supposedly the most powerful weapons in the game. Yet, in order to progress this game, they need to create more powerful enemies, which require more powerful weapons above that mark.

Seriously, just raising the damage on the REMC weapons is only a band-aid solution. What happens when new content and new enemies that require more powerful weapons are released? Just raise it again?

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Did we forget that these relics at 75 used to have lower damage than their 99 counter-parts? Or am I just imagining things here, and my 99s always had this much damage at 75.........

The real devastation is the fact they released weapons of this magnitude without properly considering what it would do to this game. What they can do is either nerf these new weapons, and bring them back down to what FFXI is used to.. OR boost the "ultimate" weapons of the game to be slightly better than these new weapons.

In regards to making more and more challenging content: You can make challenging content without making monsters require 300 DMG weapons to win. Insane HP and Defense doesn't make content difficult if that's all there is to it (Unless there's a time limit, of course...). There's an easy way to include strategy in the slaying of more powerful monsters, without having to make 300 damage weapons... but that's not the direction this is going, so we're back to square one.

this is the most stupid idea one can have to R/E/M weapons......... we want to use the weapons we spend time/gil to get and not just a weaponskill (which for most relics sucks, and mythic have them anyways).

I bet the reason we cannot enhance E/R/M any further with magian rials is because of their stupid afterglow idea... (which was a stupid idea from the beginning, and only a trophy)

find a way to raise the base dmg/stats on 99 relics, before you waste time finding a way how we can use those WS's

Seems my decision to quit and not purchase the expansion based on being banned from these forums for no reason other then discontent worked out better then expected, while my confidence in the Dev team was lacking before, now its pretty obvious they don't play the game (Matsui was lvl 40 last time I heard) and have no idea what they are doing. Money well saved.

My Mandau would be livid at the idea of being stored away and some other weapon using its skills. In fact, the last time I talked to it, all it wanted to do was kill things with me, now Matsui wants me to cheat on my trusty mandau with and onion dagger. For shame, SE.

I say once you hit level 99 (not afterglow) you are rewarded with the upgraded the new higher base damage one.

Mr. Matsui,

Please don't kill the game I love. My ultimatum is simple: proportion REM to what makes it compete with these new items and maybe, when I'm at my next duty station, I will continue to at least maintain my account. If not, SE will never receive a penny from me ever again thanks to this idea. I hope wisdom finds you and causes you to make sound decisions from here on. 감사합니다.

Neo

I think the idea that is being thrown around is not a very well thought out. Example: Death Penalty has QD V at 99 on it. What do they plan on doing with that? Just make the weapon stronger

What they now have a problem with is when they made the upgrades before so few had relics/mythics to compete with emp. Now A LOT more have the relics/some mythics/ and a whole lot of emp players are pissed. Would it be safe to say about 50% of the player base has a R/M/E (most of the percentage being E). That is whole hell of a lot of pissed off players.

You know how our initial reaction was we are all pissed that they outclassed our relics by like 100 damage. But after thinking about it for awhile does it even make sense in a MMO to keep upgrading the same weapon you used since 2004 to be the best almost 10 years later?

I don't think any other mmo does that.

Thanks for the response.... I will not be renewing my subscription until this is fixed. If it is not fixed. This will be my first cancellation of FFXI in over 10 years... I've never stopped playing. I'll just filter that money to another source.

Thanks for the reply all the same.

I agree to a degree with your statement Zumi but they made it more doable for those that just recently upgraded them and obtained them. I might reserve my thoughts until something more concrete comes out than just ideas they are throwing around.

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Originally Posted by Akihiko_Matsui;

I feel like I'm going to get an ulcer

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I feel like I'm about to jump off a very tall building, if that makes you feel any better.

I've cancelled my subscription until you guys get this figured out. Don't expect me to restart my FFXIV service either.

Good luck, looking forward to better news.


PS- I've had ulcer's my entire life, it isn't fun - and I wouldn't poke at them lightly. If you really are giving yourself an ulcer you need to see a doctor ASAP.

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Originally Posted by Unctgtg

I agree to a degree with your statement Zumi but they made it more doable for those that just recently upgraded them and obtained them. I might reserve my thoughts until something more concrete comes out than just ideas they are throwing around.

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I got my Excalibur back when dynamis was hard took 64 people. The rest I got recently after dynamis nerf. I use to be mad at how relics were getting replaced but now after some time. I am kind of indifferent to it.

Now if I can't find more people to do new stuff with I won't be keeping my sub, but ill hold out a month or two to reserve judgement.

I noticed some people not even logging on anymore after the news the past couple days. Pretty much no reason to play the game if I don't know anyone to play it with.