For anyone wondering this is what the new events look like

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Originally Posted by Karah

you forgot steps 4 5 6 7 8

4) #$%^&*( moron pulls mobs off PLD

5) SECOND @#$%^&*( moron poisonga's all the mobs

6)THE DD @#$%^&*( morons keep killing mobs instead of the trees

7)everyone dies.

8)THE ONE WHM in the zone tries to heal/raise > dies.

9)Everyone quits.

Now, it's accurate.

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<-.-;> no one knows how to lead anymore? you forget there are alot of people with far more experience in this game then most people realize. Per server even.... why do we let this form of stupidity in our game exist? because we allow it to happen... tired of something not getting done right..? Start taking charge if you think you know something someone doesn't... as long as your doing it respectfully....

I remember when FFXI was really powerful because of the community, now everyone is just focused on memememe! whatever happened to playing a game based on how someone envisioned it... not on how you feel it should be...

The only system related complaint I have is the confrontation area is so small that you have no room to spread out to try and avoid the most annoying part of a Rieve... the FPS drop. I know mine gets cut in half, and I've heard worse. It makes it rather difficult to contribute to the best of my ability with the game engine choking on a handful of players and mobs.

As for my fellow players, wasp nests are also Rieves so don't ignore those and only look for roots. Also, don't just wail on the root or nest to end the battle ASAP.

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Originally Posted by Camiie

The only system related complaint I have is the confrontation area is so small that you have no room to spread out to try and avoid the most annoying part of a Rieve... the FPS drop. I know mine gets cut in half, and I've heard worse. It makes it rather difficult to contribute to the best of my ability with the game engine choking on a handful of players and mobs.

As for my fellow players, wasp nests are also Rieves so don't ignore those and only look for roots. Also, don't just wail on the root or nest to end the battle ASAP.

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sound advice duly noted!

People are just so annoyed that not everything in the new zone can be zerged, but I personally love that! Not 1 job has much of an advantage over another, and all has its uses which is fantastic, because for so long all it has been is the same few jobs for everything and nothing else even considered. Also, it might be hard but firstly that's a good thing and secondly it's only been out a few days... but already I've successfully completed about 10 rieves and got 20k bayld while not even trying. It's easy if you have the right setup and strategy, a strategy that involves that wonderful thing called a tank (Yes I am very glad PLD now has a use). This expansion has brought back strategy, something that the game's been lacking for a while now and I am definitely glad to have it back.

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Originally Posted by Karah

you forgot steps 4 5 6 7 8

4) #$%^&*( moron pulls mobs off PLD

5) SECOND @#$%^&*( moron poisonga's all the mobs

6)THE DD @#$%^&*( morons keep killing mobs instead of the trees

7)everyone dies.

8)THE ONE WHM in the zone tries to heal/raise > dies.

9)Everyone quits.

Now, it's accurate.

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Obviously never played pre-Abyssea... Most events had their issues like this. Deal with them, take lead, encourage someone else to lead or simply leave and find a better group/make your own. Giving up way too quickly.

I'm sure once new and improved gear starts getting discovered and distributed and we unlock Ionis bonuses these Rieves will become trivial. Even Abyssea was hard at first lest people forget.

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Originally Posted by Umichi

what's that supposed to mean >_> we have some killer players and teams on our server.....

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it means that Shiva is a ice avatar so the world is you know cold it was a pun or a joke

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Originally Posted by Karah

you forgot steps 4 5 6 7 8

4) #$%^&*( moron pulls mobs off PLD

5) SECOND @#$%^&*( moron poisonga's all the mobs

6)THE DD @#$%^&*( morons keep killing mobs instead of the trees

7)everyone dies.

8)THE ONE WHM in the zone tries to heal/raise > dies.

9)Everyone quits.

Now, it's accurate.

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Who in the hell uses Poisonga anymore? lol

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Originally Posted by Helyos

Who in the hell uses Poisonga anymore? lol

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wooooooooshhhhhhh methinks.

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Originally Posted by Obysuca

I'm all for having to get back into being in groups for stuff, it's what made XI fun, the socialization and teamwork, because you know, its a MMO, not a single player game that happens to have people in it.

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Wheres the "Love" button.

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Originally Posted by Camiie

I'm sure once new and improved gear starts getting discovered and distributed and we unlock Ionis bonuses these Rieves will become trivial. Even Abyssea was hard at first lest people forget.

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There's also the Riev Unity key item from the quest Scaredy Cats, a quest everyone unlocks one game day after entering Adoulin, which provides seemingly random but very substantial bonuses to Riev participants. So far, I've heard reports of 100% HP and 300% TP being given for various things.

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Originally Posted by SpankWustler

There's also the Riev Unity key item from the quest Scaredy Cats, a quest everyone unlocks one game day after entering Adoulin, which provides seemingly random but very substantial bonuses to Riev participants. So far, I've heard reports of 100% HP and 300% TP being given for various things.

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^ This, also gives a considerable attack bonus, which I've seen ws damage go from 600 to 1500+ over time due to these bonuses. There are quite a few, one of them removes all status ailments, others recover hp and mp, give stoneskin, 300% tp (a very nice bonus!). Basically you'll wanna get that KI before you even attempt to do a good job at Rieves. There's also a very nice shield that all PLD can get which gives -10% pdt in rieves for 30k Bayld - gives a nice alternative to emp shield, not as good but works and gives people incentive to get back on PLD

Personally I think the problems with the event are:

-Really poor rewards for anything other than meleeing (healers are getting close to 0 xp/bayld). This is the biggest flaw IMO and should be fixed quickly. Despite the update yesterday the reward is still pitiful, is this intentional?
-Really small arena. I somewhat understand that they wanted to make it so that you couldn't safely fight things one at a time, but it makes it lag really badly. Also a small arena means that it's harder for mages to find a safe spot away from AoE silence moves and the like.
-Combined with point 2, some cruel designer thought that knockback moves were a good idea

Other than that I think the difficulty isn't too bad. It seems appropriate for around a full party to be able to defeat a reive. I do wonder about the long-term viability of the content if people ever abandon it similar to campaign though.

If mages would receive the same amount of Baylds/XP as the DD do maybe it would be a bit easier.
Since most of the people join reives as melee jobs I tried to come blm to sleep the adds and except for a few random ~150xp I didn't get anything. Instead I did like most of the people do : change for something that will give me the most points possible.

Any BLU with a healer can duo these reives. Dream flower is your friend.

Any DD with sleep support pretty much, it just takes forever.

I want to point out something obvious, we have no coalitions ranked up for bonuses, we have no Frontier Boviouc bonuses yet cause they aren't fully functional. Content will always be hard when it first comes out till we build on the things we need to make it somewhat simpler. I love that I can go around on PLD and actually tank. People got too comfortable thinking they can tank on heavy atk/low def jobs and with the other tweaks they made to the battle system especially in Adoulin its not that simple anymore.

Learn, Adjust, and mainly stop bitching cause you can't clear a Reive meant for a server of people to kill it with your Mnk and Whm duo. This is not Abyssea and I remember when Abyssea wasn't that friendly till we all had tons of Atmas. Same for VW being a bitch till you upgraded a few Atmacites.

Just take it down a notch and go out and help make the content better for yourself and everyone and participate in a server wide group functioning event.

Only issue I have with this so far is the inclusion area for some of these is way too small.

Butterfly reive is terrible because of their tp move that silences, paralyzes, and blinds you. Trying to get out of range of the effective area kicks you out of the reive when you're just starting the reive.. Running further in would aggro everything else.

There was another one I stumbled upon in Sih Gates where the inclusion area was about 10'-20' and there were about 10 mobs, some of them were crabs that spammed AOE which you had no way of avoiding without getting kicked from the reive.

Other than that, it's refreshing to see people dead in the middle of no where though and laughing when I or other people hit dirt for the 5th time because you raised and died again immediately.

/assist. Learn it. Use it. Love it.

I have read some of these post, I keep thinking about how much work, effort and timing it took to kill sky gods or Proto Omerga and Proto Ultima with an full alliance......and we would wipe. Now we duo Byacko (forget how to spell name).

There are a lot of players who really don't know their jobs because they were on the fast track to 99. Don't get me wrong I have done many jobs to 99 via FC, Gusten mines etc...But I played all the mage jobs, blm, rdm (main), whm, blu the long slow way..level by level and learned my job, and the finesse and gives you chance to understand the other jobs within the party. I dd'd my Rdm solo all over the place. I now have Nin and Thief as my main jobs and Whm for VW etc... but I worked hard to learn what to do, all my stats and weapons are capped fully merited, I have all my weapon skills plus I had a great Nin friend to coach me.

The players today, not all but a lot of them, who are new don't have the grinding, partying know how. How many people remember the sky LS's, dynamis LS's, limbus etc you learned how to handle a hard fight in a group dynamic, but that was the idea....it was hard and you worked towards it.

Abyssea was a blessing and a curse all at the same time, but I love Abyssea, and I think it will balance out in the end, they will have to learn and pay attention. I can also remember when everyone banged on NM's in Abyssea until they learned that mob tp is not your friend...stay off and when proc's obtained run in and weapon skill and get off (depending on the NM of course). It all has a learning curve.

Unless some one is stupid enough to wake every mob with diaga, then these aren't even that hard. Any form of sleepga and damage mitigation is your friend.

Did 15 colonization reives last night with a group and they were pretty easy. If you show up to one without a healer or support of some kind then you're doing it wrong. Reives are stupidly easy with competent people.

As a Paladin with Ochain I don't have much problem with reives at all.

Did Reives with a small group of people, a DNC, a WHM, a SAM, a DRK, a THF, and me... Half the night i was on THF, the other half, PUP.

Died 1 time in the ~13 or so Battles i participated in, and that was because i got Final Sting'd for 1,400 DMG. I did notice a lot of dead people at a Point near the Grasshopper reive, that was because most of them were awful and no one was killing grasshoppers, just kinda afkzerging the Tree, so they died.

Its not hard, it just takes coordination, and people actually working together. In campaign if i fight someones mob they usually just run off when i get hate (And i laugh and follow them cause im a fking 99THF/DNC with a Mandau, I can solo the entire fking wave)... In this, I hid behind an Ochain PLD and he tanked and I killed, TEAMWORK. BRORAINBOW.

Just from tonight alone I've gotten about 27,000 Bayid, I'm really enjoying the content. It feels more fluid and fast-paced compared to Campaign... The rewards right now are pretty solid, and I'm sure they'll release more in the future.

I know I'm saving up for some a good bit of the armor.

(also - I think the Healers/buffers getting sh*t for exp is a current known issue... They forgot people on those jobs aren't always dualboxed mules)

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

(also - I think the Healers/buffers getting sh*t for exp is a current known issue... They forgot people on those jobs aren't always dualboxed mules)

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The way I understand it, healing and support was giving literally nothing before due to a bug. Now, that's been fixed so healing and support gives the "proper" amount: almost nothing.

I really hope I'm wrong.

They will adjust that more, just give them time. These are the first few days of a release that had no beta, so gotta expect some kinda leeway and adjustment time. From the amount of maint on the new zones already at least we know they can and will change it they just need to balance it correctly which can be hard with a community like this - being so demanding but so moody when something doesn't go their way. Not referring to you at all cause mages getting bayld etc is essential for Rieves to work well, just referring to a few others on here who seem to deem everything a failure because FFXI need strategy again and isn't a walk in the park.

Well so far I like everything I see with the Seekers expansion, so far I have not come across a single mob that I could not solo, sure they take a bit more work than we are used to but still very much doable. SE had said prerelease time and time again that the emphasis would be more on defensive playstyles than zergs and that is exactly what I see so far.

Reives look like so much fun. I took one look at the OP and now I can't wait to participate, corpses everywhere is usually a good indicator of hella fun.

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Originally Posted by SpankWustler

The way I understand it, healing and support was giving literally nothing before due to a bug. Now, that's been fixed so healing and support gives the "proper" amount: almost nothing.

I really hope I'm wrong.

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It's still pretty terrible compared to what a DD gets.

On the other hand, the missing part of the equation are the GEOs. One of the reasons I can think of for the claustrophobic nature of these reives is so GEOs can hit everyone with their fields with rather little effort. I can think of some buffs and debuffs that they have that would come in really handy.

The only problem I'm having with Reives now, is actually finding one lol 300 people in both zones (No one in the others, so theres reives there but not enough people), an alliance or two at each of the reive spawn point, so my only option is to just sit there waiting x.x lol

Yes they have one hour respawn, so have fun AFK. With the reives points all over the map and there is no way to know the exact location, this is very frustrating since you could run around for 30 mnts trying to find one. Or finding one but cannot do anything due to only 3 people are there. This is bad game design. Abyssea, Voidwatch, Meeble and all the neo stuffs have clear objective. Campaign at least have an exact location and mobs where you can go and do the activities. Reives is a total crap where you run around between two zones wandering to find one that is not already beaten or wait an hour for it to respawn....

I personally have not had much problem when looking for one, but thats me, in either case it would be nice if spots popped on your map telling you where battles were, as it would help people gather for them rather than wandering, I use BST to do this since you can see the actual targets on WS but thats just me. As for people saying its to hard, I just basically soloed a Lair Reive, so I find it hard to believe its to hard, rather its to easy for pet jobs to abuse, because if I had chosen to I could have stayed back and never gotten myself or my pet hit, rather some extra people joined which helped damage a bit, but thanks to my idiocy I attacked, and it got me killed, if it were just me alone I would have never died or even gotten scratched.

The way I did this is by abusing the small area where the mobs roam, by staying just outside of their aggro range but within the area of participation, by doing so I was able to send a Falcor in to attack without getting hate, the mobs nearby never attacked Falcor or me, letting us destroy a Wasp nest without any defensive measures taken against me or my pet. If they made the radius bigger, this very same thing would be even easier to perform, so I understand some of why its so small. Rather than do it how they did I would have liked them to simply make all of the Reive mobs Tsight or Tsound since right now I could only do that thanks to sneak/invis, allowing me to deploy my Falcor without being detected.

The reives take an hour to respawn so if there is a big group clearing them out (like there is currently) they're going to be down a great amount of the time. I don't really understand why SE didn't reuse the channel for bastion messages for this, it would've worked great.

Well one problem I can think of is that in both Campaign and Bastion it is only a single battle per zone, where as Reives are multiple battles, I don't know if they can do multiple battles as easily, sounds like it would be harder.

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Originally Posted by Kincard

The reives take an hour to respawn so if there is a big group clearing them out (like there is currently) they're going to be down a great amount of the time. I don't really understand why SE didn't reuse the channel for bastion messages for this, it would've worked great.

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I asked them to do the same thing in WOE, so people would know which fluxs had enough people to complete, instead of running around WOE checking the different fluxes for participants... SE rather spend time on creating job abilities like embrava, then nerfing them so that it's useless. Or bringin back evolith, which sucked, and wasting more time on BS instead of what counts.

im on phoenix and im not seeing these large scale wipes just groups of players that are helping each other been in several good groups and control the flow of battle nicely. =) im finding it fun because it gives me a challenge , i personally did not like abyssea and in the end i thought it was dull but this is refreshing

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

I use BST to do this since you can see the actual targets on WS but thats just me. As for people saying its to hard, I just basically soloed a Lair Reive, so I find it hard to believe its to hard, rather its to easy for pet jobs to abuse, because if I had chosen to I could have stayed back and never gotten myself or my pet hit, rather some extra people joined which helped damage a bit, but thanks to my idiocy I attacked, and it got me killed, if it were just me alone I would have never died or even gotten scratched.

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Thanks for sharing the tips Demon, but I would word it carefully lol, we may not need another adjustment. It's refreshing that pet jobs can actually rule this thing. So basically the way to easy win is to gear your beast with Charm gears, charm one of these T mob, use familiar, wide scan and have a lot of fun getting easy point :)

Basically yeah, thats all you have to do, though in all honesty I would rather them fix it so that pet jobs are not the best way to do it, they should have a use, but soloing these things that are meant to be hard pieces of content seems a bit extreme to me.

Ok, I was just thinking, maybe we are doing it wrong.... You get your tags every 6 hours, which means in one day you get up to 4 if you used them all. So you can either spend 3 on 1 type of reive or do 4 different kinds. The problem is that people ZERG this like everything else in the game. They kill it so fast and move to another one and another one which has one hour respawn. Which means you are moving around blindly unless someone is beast or ranger.

I think the point is this, Reive is your personal camp spot and currency farming. Grab 6-8 people and a paladin preferably to tank ALL the mob. Have your whm cure bomb - status removal etc. And spam kill the normal mob but don't touch the root or wasp nest. Let your melee DD kill the weakened adds. And enjoy farming your never ending currency. Your status bonuses is stacking and keep happening the more you kill normal mobs, which restore 2 hours, mp, hp, status protection. In a way it is abyssea 2.0 but you can do small batch of this, stay in one camp, and have proper old school set up instead of random melee attacking everything. But it's just hard to get this point across, everyone just randomly going to different points and attacking everything and move on, instead of holding ground and farming the currency at one spot.

Also with all mobs around T, you can make old school farming party!!! Yeah shocking I know. 3-4 people can camp in one spot and have a blast doing things old school. Yet I have not seen it happening, just random people walking around killing one mob at a time.... getting killed in the result. It's a great skill up spots by the way, beats the usual camp. And you get to use your xp ring, remember double xp weekend is coming up???

Did my first extensive reive today. Going WHM SCH SAM DRG we could pretty much clear everything we tried so far in Cezak and Yahse. As long as you can sleep things you are golden. I'll try the other zones to see if that affects my opinion, but so far it's very easy. However, the xp/bayld for the mage jobs was absolutely pathetic and if we weren't doing quests at the same time, it would've been a total waste of time for the mages. Please do something about that SE.

So far everyone doing the root thing, no one bother with the wasp nest, since it does not give as much bayld as the tree thing. Pretty much just zerg that thing while Pld with a healer is holding the rest of the mob. Then they move on, run around and round finding the next tree root. Pretty stupid if this is what they mean by fostering a skillful game play. Running around finding the next root with a respawn of one hour lol.