Free to play plans?

There is one single reason why Trial people can't trade, send tells or form parties:


R.M.T.

There still needs to be a way to get them into a linkshell, though.

And I still don't know if /autogroup works with a free trial account. Tempted to try finding out myself...

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Originally Posted by oliveira

There is one single reason why Trial people can't trade, send tells or form parties:


R.M.T.

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No, the one single reason for that is SE's paranoia about RMT.

Additionally, more than what? More than -5000000 dollars per month? If a game isn't making money at all, then it might start making money with F2P, but that certainly doesn't mean that a game that is already pretty profitable (FF11 is) would become even more profitable with F2P.

Y'all jumping to conclusions.

"Which? Do you have actual numbers or just heard someone say something at some point?"

Dungeons and Dragons had their revenue go up by 5 times and Lord of the rings online went up by triple.

See, people don't look at the big picture. When people think a mmo goes ftp that their sub base stays teh same. The idea is that you increase your players dramatically so that the real money purchases end up more then the current subscriptions.

FFXI is perfectly setup for FTP because of its incredible time sinks. Want a new Weaponskill, well you can do the nyzul path, get to 100 then do quest, or pay $10. Want an emp weapon, well here is 50 chloris buds for $20.

People would buy that stuff. The people that didn't could do it the old way.

I think, this game would make more money on ftp model, or do some combo, if you pay for ff14 you get FF11 for free, and still put in the real money trade items.

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No, the one single reason for that is SE's paranoia about RMT.

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It's not paranoia if it actually has those level of effects on a game.

And yeah, at one point it did before S-E went on the stompfest that continues today. Even Blizzard knows enough that if you don't keep your thumb on RMT, it'll start to wreck the game.

Up 5x from what? 20 dollars a month to 100?

And no, everyone that didn't want to pay for it wouldn't keep grinding the old way, they would cancel their subscriptions and go somewhere else with their money.

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Want a new Weaponskill, well you can do the nyzul path, get to 100 then do quest, or pay $10. Want an emp weapon, well here is 50 chloris buds for $20.

People would buy that stuff. The people that didn't could do it the old way.

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Sure, people would buy them. Heck, they buy them now, even if not so directly (pay people to do Nyzul II for example). If it was made even easier, that makes me immediately think of that those people would run out of things to do quite soon since the game is based on them time-sinks and random. There really isn't much other things to do, is there?

I tend to do old, weird things with friends, which is the only thing keeping me in the game; I never really played it for the game itself, I guess. It's only fun for me with the great friends I have had, and lost.

I have always been against the huge time-sinks and random that is what FFXI is, but if you could just buy your way out so easily, what is the point in the game at that point?

Goes for any game, really.

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Up 5x from what? 20 dollars a month to 100?

And no, everyone that didn't want to pay for it wouldn't keep grinding the old way, they would cancel their subscriptions and go somewhere else with their money.

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You are wrong, people would do it the old way and not quit, some would but they are babies that think they are special and entitled. Many people would play the old way, and many people new to the game would pay for some of that content.

Not sure if you know this, but a lot of people bought gil with real money, and the majority of people didn't quit because so many people were buying gil, in fact, many of them bought gil and lied about it.

Also, no, they are making 5 times more profit now that they switched to a ftp model over subscription model.

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Sure, people would buy them. Heck, they buy them now, even if not so directly (pay people to do Nyzul II for example). If it was made even easier, that makes me immediately think of that those people would run out of things to do quite soon since the game is based on them time-sinks and random. There really isn't much other things to do, is there?

I tend to do old, weird things with friends, which is the only thing keeping me in the game; I never really played it for the game itself, I guess. It's only fun for me with the great friends I have had, and lost.

I have always been against the huge time-sinks and random that is what FFXI is, but if you could just buy your way out so easily, what is the point in the game at that point?

Goes for any game, really.

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yet millions of people do it. All that SE cares is they make more money. If they had research to show they woudl make more money going ftp with little effort on their part, they would do it in a flash.

I rather it not go F2P it's fine the way it is IMO.

Stop being cheap, you don't want to play, cancel and move on. I'd rather ffxi be a small niche game then having a bunch of FTP players running around. The community will totally go down the drain.

Hmm. I think I understand the theory behind a player who would be attracted to the free to play model.

1) Buy gil to save time making it yourself.
2) Buy into leech parties to save time levelling on your own.
3) Use the /yell channel to try and find people who will sell you lotting rights to Rare/Ex items.
4) Complain that there's nothing to do.

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You do know that many mmos have actually made more money switching to FTP than they did with subs right?

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You're telling me that businesses made more money giving their product away than they do charging money for them? Post some proof or go home.

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Stop being cheap, you don't want to play, cancel and move on. I'd rather ffxi be a small niche game then having a bunch of FTP players running around. The community will totally go down the drain.

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You do realize that if more and more people feel that the game is not worth 12.95 they will do exactly what you suggested. Problem is, you may not have a game to play then.

One thing people may not realize, is the expansion may actually end up killing the game. If the expansion comes out 20% done like other expansions have, with half promises and all that and the content continues to be leaked out, people could be more inclined to quit because its not worht 12.95, also many people that already subscribe but play very infrequently may not think it is worth it paying $30 for an expansion they don't play often, and considering they are locked out of content to do with their friends, they may just cancel all together.

This expansion needs to be fleshed out.

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You're telling me that businesses made more money giving their product away than they do charging money for them? Post some proof or go home.

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or you could stop being lazy and google it yourself.

"http://www.gamesradar.com/lord-of-the-rings-online-revenues-double-after-free-to-play-transition/"

Here is one link to get your started in case you don't know how to use google.

If they are not willing to pay 12.95 right now they are not going to pay anything when it goes FTP, they will just be leaching off of the people that are willing to pay more. Good riddance.

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You are wrong, people would do it the old way and not quit, some would but they are babies that think they are special and entitled.

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Maybe they are, or maybe they're not. Either way, a paying customer is a paying customer. You don't blithely drive away customers like that and expect to be in business for very long.

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or you could stop being lazy and google it yourself.

"http://www.gamesradar.com/lord-of-the-rings-online-revenues-double-after-free-to-play-transition/"

Here is one link to get your started in case you don't know how to use google.

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yeah but the reason they went to FTP was because there wasn't enough people to sustain the game. they werent making any money lol..... i remember when LotR went f2p

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If they are not willing to pay 12.95 right now they are not going to pay anything when it goes FTP, they will just be leaching off of the people that are willing to pay more. Good riddance.

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this is so true.

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No, the one single reason for that is SE's paranoia about RMT.

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there was no paranoia... RMT's were abusing 14day trials back during the great inflation to quickly farm cheap items to npc them to make gil to sell to other players on almost a daily basis i would get /tells from at least 13 or so RMT's peddling their inflated cash. RMT's were also manipulating the prices of the AH so things would be exuberantly cheap when they wanted to buy something out. then they'd drive the price back up... learn your ff history plox

as a matter of fact free trials is RMT 101: abuse them

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Dungeons and Dragons had their revenue go up by 5 times and Lord of the rings online went up by triple.

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Have a source on that? Other than the one you posted, which contradicts what you said here and is from 2010?

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See, people don't look at the big picture. When people think a mmo goes ftp that their sub base stays teh same. The idea is that you increase your players dramatically so that the real money purchases end up more then the current subscriptions.

FFXI is perfectly setup for FTP because of its incredible time sinks. Want a new Weaponskill, well you can do the nyzul path, get to 100 then do quest, or pay $10. Want an emp weapon, well here is 50 chloris buds for $20.

People would buy that stuff. The people that didn't could do it the old way.

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You don't look at the big picture. What works for one game may not work for another. FFXI already had a lot of players leaving because they didn't wanna spend 15 bucks a month for the fee, due to content release slowing down. How much do you think the remaining people or the people coming back would spend on things they can already do or get as they are now? For that scheme to work, first you need lots of content, something this game is massively lacking right now, and second a player base that isn't as set in their ways as this one. This may work on a newer game where people are used to this from the start. Right now, if you made an empyrean buyable all the people who invested months in it would feel betrayed and angered about a bunch of rich kids buying them because they can just afford them. These are people who invested years in building their characters. And the few rich kids who would actually do that would not be enough to make up for the lost market.

To make this a viable business idea you'd need new content tailored to precisely this business scheme. And seeing how SE goes about updating content, it would not work out with any kind of profit for anyone involved, least of all the players.

Finally, you have one thing going for newer games that also doesn't apply to FFXI: advertising. When a MMORPG goes free to play, new players try it out which gives a boost in subscriptions. That way they get to see the game and can decide to invest money into it if they want to. But who would try out FFXI if it goes free to play when there are several games over a decade younger that are also free to play? Why choose a game that resorts to a free to play scheme to stave off its own death due to lack of content over any of the other alternatives?

Right now FFXI is still shitting out money for SE, because it provides just enough attraction to keep a core group of players interested, and even many of those are just there because of the break from XIV before the final ARR release and the promise of SoA looming on the horizon. But who would actually buy things for this game if they don't intend to play it for long or just wanna check the waters? New players certainly wouldn't. That would be something catered almost exclusively to older players, but they are the ones that least of all need it.

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It's not paranoia if it actually has those level of effects on a game.

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There are and always have been better ways to deal with RMT, just like there are better ways to deal with cheating and botting, but SE has demonstrated that they like to punish everyone just to make it slightly harder for the bad guys to operate freely. Not that it's really having any effect.

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You are wrong, people would do it the old way and not quit, some would but they are babies that think they are special and entitled. Many people would play the old way, and many people new to the game would pay for some of that content.

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You have no way of knowing that, just like I can't know for sure that you're absolutely wrong, although I'd be willing to bet you good money on it. I know how I feel and I know how all of my friends feel, and we can barely stay interested in the game as it is. If they let us buy everything we currently have to play the game for, most of us would quit, and statistics say we won't be the only ones.

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Not sure if you know this, but a lot of people bought gil with real money, and the majority of people didn't quit because so many people were buying gil, in fact, many of them bought gil and lied about it.

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You really like to just say stuff without any proof or evidence if you feel like it'll support your argument.

Guess what? I heard DDO shut down because Turbine, Inc. is completely broke, and the producers of LotR say their free to play scheme gave them cancer. Also, it reportedly causes abortions.

People have listed examples of successful free-to-play MMO's (for varying degrees of "successful"), but how many FFXI players play those games currently, let alone have spent money in one?

It seems to me that if the playerbase would love a free-to-play system, they'd be doing so already in another game. FFXI is only ten years old, after all...

(And I'm still in favor of an unlimited free trial.)

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Is this game worth the 12.95, of course not. Look at what we got before compared to now. what we use to get in one update before is equivalent to a year or two of updates we get now. Anyone that thinks that 12.95 is still good value is just plain wrong. No one in their right mind would think so. But people will continue to play and considering Square Enix is one of if not the greediest game companies out there, I don't see it. SE is the one that charges $15-$20 for iOS and Android games when everything else is $5.

For those that say that the manpower is not there, well not our problem, if that is the case, drop the price accordingly. The expansion is being paid for by our monthly sub fees, it shouldn't be, that money is supposed to be for connection and regularly updates. The expansion should be paid for by the price of the actually expansion. Which of course they have overpriced.

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In other words, what you're trying to say is:
"DUR DUR DUR I hate dis product an its to expnsive but ima buy it neway n complain DUR DUR DUR."

[sarcasm]You are obviously very intelligent when it comes to money, and SE should listen to you for financial advice.[/sarcasm]

If you calculate in inflation, for me the game has become a lot cheaper to play over the years (depends on where you live of course). Other games that do use subscription models today have a subscription fee of 15 dollars.

The monthly fees I spend on this game save me money that I would otherwise spend on other video games or other forms of entertainment. It's cheap if you ask me.

I've had times when I didn't think the game offered me anything to do and wasn't worth the money. What did I do? I suspended my content IDs and stopped playing. I didn't say "this game is not worth the money, make it free!" I said "this game is not worth the money, I choose not to pay and choose not to play".

Well considering I run the finance department for a national company, I actually know what I am doing.

Archon.

seriously, what wrong with you? It doesn't matter if the article is from 2010, he wanted to know which mmos made more money going ftp.

Google if you want. Look up D&D and LOTR, find out I am right, and shut your mouth.

why is it so hard for people to believe a ftp model can make money, and more money than a sub plan. You think these people making the decisions don't know what they are doing? They make 7 figure salaries and did a ton of research on comparing the two different models. You think they sat down and said, hey, I don't feel like making money anymore, lets be kind and go ftp. But I guess some people here seem to think they obviously know more than those people, and have no education or experience to back it up. I make comments, because, I have 25 years of experience in business.

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In other words, what you're trying to say is:
"DUR DUR DUR I hate dis product an its to expnsive but ima buy it neway n complain DUR DUR DUR."

[sarcasm]You are obviously very intelligent when it comes to money, and SE should listen to you for financial advice.[/sarcasm]

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If you took the first 4 years of content and compared it to the current couple years of content. Give it to people that are not into games (because most feel blessed to take anything a company gives them) and ask them if the price should be the same for both levels of content. I bet you won't find one person that says they should be equal.
You think there isn't an issue, and many here, because you are ability to think properly is clouded by your level for SE. But, just because you think it is fine, doesn't make it so.

So stop crying because someone may say something negative about this game. I have been here since the beginning, I know the value of money. I know how budgets work, how costs are allocated. The reason game companies, like SE do things like this, and do not update prices because the majority of gamers are idiots, well, the majority of the younger generation are I guess. They have this warped idea that we own the corporations and we should be proud to buy their products. But, that is not how the real world works, they have to work for our money, and the greed kicks in when they know they can get away with it. They know when they can get away with it, when they realize their customer base is complacent.

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If you took the first 4 years of content and compared it to the current couple years of content. Give it to people that are not into games (because most feel blessed to take anything a company gives them) and ask them if the price should be the same for both levels of content. I bet you won't find one person that says they should be equal.
You think there isn't an issue, and many here, because you are ability to think properly is clouded by your level for SE. But, just because you think it is fine, doesn't make it so.

So stop crying because someone may say something negative about this game. I have been here since the beginning, I know the value of money. I know how budgets work, how costs are allocated. The reason game companies, like SE do things like this, and do not update prices because the majority of gamers are idiots, well, the majority of the younger generation are I guess. They have this warped idea that we own the corporations and we should be proud to buy their products. But, that is not how the real world works, they have to work for our money, and the greed kicks in when they know they can get away with it. They know when they can get away with it, when they realize their customer base is complacent.

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if you dont like the price of something then dont buy it. the price been the same since day 1. SE want the price to be $12 95 a month then that them. you dont move into a $900 a month house with papers signed etc then 5 month later complaining about the rent to high but nothing changed. move out if it over priced lol

While some people don't feel $12.95 is alot, i feel it's that the content released is not worth the cost. Before ya say it, i have shifted into paying for once every 2-4+ months for this game cause it's not worth it.

Example...

I spent about $13 on Steam and got Dead space 1 and 2 and Bioshock 1 and 2 (steam sale \o/)

When i spent $39~ on FFXI i got meeble burrow (which i was only allowed to play for 10 mins a day) and redone Limbus/odin.

Really as value for you money goes FFXI atm is terrible it may be better when we get SoA but ofc you'll be paying +$30-40 as well.

That said, if you do get 30 hour+ enjoyment of FFXI a month via exsisting/new content then it's worth but for alot of people like my self money can be better spent.

The biggest thing with me is that it feel that SE knows it's puts small amount of content and slap in a ton of time sinks which kinda ruins the fun (at least in my opinion) which i wish it didn't cause i'd love to spend a month w/ Meebles and be at the stage were i can just be social and help others out with things like nyzle but it just feels i'm stuck in time sink after time sink.

As for f2p, i really think SE need to listen to the commuity before they changed anything that major cause they'd prolly just hit us with more time sinks which you could skip for cash /shrug

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Well considering I run the finance department for a national company, I actually know what I am doing.

Archon.

seriously, what wrong with you? It doesn't matter if the article is from 2010, he wanted to know which mmos made more money going ftp.

Google if you want. Look up D&D and LOTR, find out I am right, and shut your mouth.

why is it so hard for people to believe a ftp model can make money, and more money than a sub plan. You think these people making the decisions don't know what they are doing? They make 7 figure salaries and did a ton of research on comparing the two different models. You think they sat down and said, hey, I don't feel like making money anymore, lets be kind and go ftp. But I guess some people here seem to think they obviously know more than those people, and have no education or experience to back it up. I make comments, because, I have 25 years of experience in business.

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lol funny shit....LMAO...please.....keep on going

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While some people don't feel $12.95 is alot, i feel it's that the content released is not worth the cost. Before ya say it, i have shifted into paying for once every 2-4+ months for this game cause it's not worth it.

Example...

I spent about $13 on Steam and got Dead space 1 and 2 and Bioshock 1 and 2 (steam sale \o/)

When i spent $39~ on FFXI i got meeble burrow (which i was only allowed to play for 10 mins a day) and redone Limbus/odin.

Really as value for you money goes FFXI atm is terrible it may be better when we get SoA but ofc you'll be paying +$30-40 as well.

That said, if you do get 30 hour+ enjoyment of FFXI a month via exsisting/new content then it's worth but for alot of people like my self money can be better spent.

The biggest thing with me is that it feel that SE knows it's puts small amount of content and slap in a ton of time sinks which kinda ruins the fun (at least in my opinion) which i wish it didn't cause i'd love to spend a month w/ Meebles and be at the stage were i can just be social and help others out with things like nyzle but it just feels i'm stuck in time sink after time sink.

As for f2p, i really think SE need to listen to the commuity before they changed anything that major cause they'd prolly just hit us with more time sinks which you could skip for cash /shrug

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Really? then why are you paying and playing? do yourself a favor and just cancel and never look back because you're too cheap to pay...good riddance....

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Really? then why are you paying and playing? do yourself a favor and just cancel and never look back because you're too cheap to pay...good riddance....

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Biz i feel ya need a little <3, getting angry cause someone has an opinion /cuddle :)

Like i said, i pay on average once every three month to try new content, do some dyna and catch up with some friends.

The only reason i don't pay it every month (cause i used to even if i didn't play) is because i feel that the dev team is just ignoring alot of the player base atm.

Unless you calling me cheap for not paying for a game i don't play? then /shrug

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That said, if you do get 30 hour+ enjoyment of FFXI a month via exsisting/new content then it's worth but for alot of people like my self money can be better spent.

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30 hours to make the fee worthwhile? You pay more partaking of one evening in a movie theater, which comes out to 2 hours of entertainment if you're lucky. A night at the club or a pub is way more expensive. 4 cups of Starbucks coffee costs nearly the same amount as a month's sub to ffxi. A sub to most MMOs is a better deal than anything else you're going to pay for a month's entertainment. For value, only Netflix even comes remotely close.

God people say stupid shit on these forums. Please, elaborate on how your money can be better spent.

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Well considering I run the finance department for a national company, I actually know what I am doing.

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I'm reasonably certain you can't run a bath.

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Archon.

seriously, what wrong with you? It doesn't matter if the article is from 2010, he wanted to know which mmos made more money going ftp.

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It does matter. It's a huge difference if a three year old released MMORPG goes free to play like LotR or if it's a ten year old one like this, and I explained the difference before. It also matters when the playerbase for the one is restricted to the game only, whereas the playerbase for the other is essentially the fan base of a book that's been massively popular for decades. Many LotR fans may not be interested in a game at all, but when they hear it's free to play, they figure it can't hurt. That's not the case for FFXI. FFXI caters to gamers, and if gamers wanted to play it, they already would have, even more so because there's hardly any new FF fans coming in due to the series' latest games being subpar.

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Google if you want. Look up D&D and LOTR, find out I am right, and shut your mouth.

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I did, I found nothing for D&D and I found only the one article for LotRO that you posted as well, and guess what, that article disagrees with you. You said their profits tripled, when the article said it doubled, which only supports my argument that you like to exaggerate your statements. No one is denying that they can be profitable, the question you refuse to ask yourself is whether that applies to FFXI as well:

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why is it so hard for people to believe a ftp model can make money, and more money than a sub plan.

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They can, no one is arguing that. But what works for one game may not work for another, and I've given you a list of reasons why. If you wanna keep arguing your point, attack my arguments, don't just point at LotRO and say "it worked for them". Because if you do, I'll do this: "Subscription fees work for WoW a lot better than free to play works for LotRO, so shut up."

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God people say stupid shit on these forums. Please, elaborate on how your money can be better spent.

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No need, you already did it for me:

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A sub to most MMOs is a better deal than anything else you're going to pay for a month's entertainment.

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Money is better spent on most MMOGs than on FFXI. Simple as that.

No one is arguing whether 13 bucks is a lot or not. People are arguing that 13 bucks is a lot compared to the alternatives we're given in today's market. This is not my personal opinion, this is from a strictly business perspective (personally I currently pay about 75 bucks monthly on FFXI related things, two own accounts, an account of a friend who otherwise also wouldn't be playing anymore and a server strictly for FFXI related things).

You people can say "quit if you don't wanna pay" all you like, but what you're too dumb to realize is that people are quitting because they don't wanna pay. And, in case you missed that part, that is not a good thing. I know many people who either quit completely or only resubscribe for a couple of months every now and then, because they don't feel their money is well enough spent. Now you can pat yourselves on the back and say "all is well then!" but that's a load of crap, because that's the reason why the playerbase is declining and why everyone is screaming and crying about the game dying.

It can be a smart business move to reduce the cost. Everyone who has ever tried to sell anything to anyone will confirm that. Just because you don't feel that it applies to you, others may feel differently, and I can confirm that they do. Reducing cost by a certain amount may make people resubscribe again.

Alternatively, offer deals like other MMOGs do, with reduced cost for longer subscription periods. SE are so rigid, both in their game design philosophy as well as in their business model that they essentially haven't budged an inch since 2002. And then they're surprised when things don't work out anymore. Not only the market but MMOGs in general have changed a lot, and you have to keep up if you wanna stay competitive. Since SE can't compete content-wise, the smart move would be to compete financially.

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Biz i feel ya need a little <3, getting angry cause someone has an opinion /cuddle :)

Like i said, i pay on average once every three month to try new content, do some dyna and catch up with some friends.

The only reason i don't pay it every month (cause i used to even if i didn't play) is because i feel that the dev team is just ignoring alot of the player base atm.

Unless you calling me cheap for not paying for a game i don't play? then /shrug

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You can honestly say that you have done everything there is to this game? If i list out all the things you can do in this game, you probably didn't even realized that the content even existed. And yes, you are cheap for complaining about 12.95 a month. I pay that for one dinner meal and all i get is a full stomach for a few hours. Value for your money is hell of well spent.

Nothing is wrong with having an opinion but when that opinion have no substance it's just comes out whinny and that's exactly what you're doing and that's why i'm calling you out.

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God people say stupid shit on these forums. Please, elaborate on how your money can be better spent.

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So if i don't play FFXI all month buying anything else is stupid. o...k... i'm stupid.

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Money is better spent on most MMOGs than on FFXI. Simple as that.

No one is arguing whether 13 bucks is a lot or not. People are arguing that 13 bucks is a lot compared to the alternatives we're given in today's market. This is not my personal opinion, this is from a strictly business perspective (personally I currently pay about 75 bucks monthly on FFXI related things, two own accounts, an account of a friend who otherwise also wouldn't be playing anymore and a server strictly for FFXI related things).

You people can say "quit if you don't wanna pay" all you like, but what you're too dumb to realize is that people are quitting because they don't wanna pay. And, in case you missed that part, that is not a good thing. I know many people who either quit completely or only resubscribe for a couple of months every now and then, because they don't feel their money is well enough spent. Now you can pat yourselves on the back and say "all is well then!" but that's a load of crap, because that's the reason why the playerbase is declining and why everyone is screaming and crying about the game dying.

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Dude it's still your personal opinion, how can you say that's a fact? I can say ffxi is worth more then what they charge, it doesnt make it a fact. It's just my opinion and what you're saying sir is still your opinion. I'll ask again, if you don't feel like it's worth that much, then why are you paying? You can make up any excuse you want, you're still paying so that means it's worthed because if it wasn't you wouldnt pay and that's a fact.

And right!!, you know more about business then a multi million dollar business. Come on man!!! Do you think they're too dumb to have not analyzed every single option to make more money? They're not a multi billion dollar company for nothing yo. Like you told the other guy "I'm reasonably certain you can't run a bath with your backseat CEO self :)

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Originally Posted by Rezeak

So if i don't play FFXI all month buying anything else is stupid. o...k... i'm stupid.

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Complaining about paying 12.95 for a month of entertain is stupid.