New Fishing Adjustments Planned

Seriously... SE really need to increase the skill up fishing rate. It becomes a true torture for every human mind after level 85, even with the pelican ring that is already sensed to increase the skill up rate.

I don't want to use bots, so i fish by myself in front of my screen and listening musics. But damn... sometimes i fell so sick.

- Hi bro, what are you doing ?
- I'm fishing some fish in a video game.
- Ah... and its fun ?
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Well... No. Not really.

- ... Ah ok. :confused:



Please increase the rate, for the good of humanity !

Sure, the bots are annoying, and it's so common for the same reasons most(?) of the players use them other “helpers”. However, I feel that is a discussion which does not belong here. In fact, all they should do, in my opinion, is check on them more manually. Automagical systems are not good, and features to restrict RMT activity pretty much hurt the actual players only, just as they have done in the past, and just like they do in every game I know of.

Of course, manually checking on people costs money, which they apparently don't have (even though I feel like we're paying 50-70% more than I should be... but I digress!).


Anyblue, I wonder if anything could be done with a pet-peeve of mine.

While waiting for a bite, if one clicks the game screen with either left or right mouse button, the effect is the same as when hitting the confirm key. (You didn't catch anything.)
I never really understood this, since the mouse buttons can not be used for reeling in the fish when one has caught the hook. There's absolutely no use for them here, since they don't actually do what they normally do (confirm/cancel).

I can't remember if it was always that way. It wouldn't be the first time there was something odd (unintended) going on with the mouse-related controls (or the cursor).

Yes, I sometimes do utilise the mouse for this game! The reason as to why it's a pet-peeve however, is that occasionally, I tend to forget that the mouse-clicks do what they do, and I use them to activate the game-window, catching nothing as a result. I try to remember to middle-click instead, or alt+tab, but it still happens every now and then.

It's after all the only way I can be fishing, doing it while I'm actually doing something else. I'm either watching videos, playing other game(s), programming, forum-going, editing a wikki or a few, all kinds of stuff so the FFXI window isn't the one raised on-top all the time. Fishing truly is a side-activity, and I like it as such, yet I feel it takes too much time and effort for the payback it offers.


On another peeve, a fresh new one: is it really necessary for us to lose the enchantment effect of a Pelican Ring when disconnected for example? Really? (Yeah, I'm having some evil connection troubles recently, and have lost several charges to it already...)


Just some more thoughts.
Rambling not intended.

I was just wondering if they came up with some type of items called the Fishing Lure Rack in which it holds multiple lures into one slot with the rack? It might do something like hold many shrimp lures into one slot in turn making them unstackable lures now stack-able for lures such as the one Just mentioned including minnows, shrinking minnows, and all those type of grappling hook lures into one of your inventory slots.

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Originally Posted by Trepan

Seriously... SE really need to increase the skill up fishing rate. It becomes a true torture for every human mind after level 85, even with the pelican ring that is already sensed to increase the skill up rate.

I don't want to use bots, so i fish by myself in front of my screen and listening musics. But damn... sometimes i fell so sick.

- Hi bro, what are you doing ?
- I'm fishing some fish in a video game.
- Ah... and its fun ?
- ...
Well... No. Not really.

- ... Ah ok. :confused:



Please increase the rate, for the good of humanity !

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Seconded, other crafts are far less monotonous as fishing is, and it's rare to even see a skill up and when you do it's usually a measly .1.

With other crafts even if you break a synthesis you can potentially get a skill up, in fishing you can only get a skill up if you catch something, and sometimes you can go a few casts with the "Did not catch anything" message. So this makes skilling up take even longer than any other craft.

Please SE, increase the skill up rate for fishing.

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Originally Posted by Calatilla

With other crafts even if you break a synthesis you can potentially get a skill up, in fishing you can only get a skill up if you catch something, and sometimes you can go a few casts with the "Did not catch anything" message.

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Hmmm. By “only get a skill up if you catch something”, are you referring to actually reeling them in? I'm thinking yes, since you later mention the “did not catch anything”.

If so, well to that, I can only say that it is actually possible to gain skillupses from a lost catch. In other words, I've had it happen quite a few times, that when my line has been snapped, my skill advanced.

At least that was the case before the recent adjustments. I've yet to do much fishing after them, so I'm unsure if it's still happening. Of course I still agree that the rate is way too low, even considering the fact that I have seen as high as 0.3 beyond level 90! More than once!!

As for the 'did not catch anything', I certainly don't find that as a necessary feature. I doubt any player would.


Speaking of the adjustments, I guess in the grand scheme of things, I like them. I don't think I'm a fan of the big arrows that come up on the screen, but the negativeness that brings up is probably outweighed by the positives.

So a thank you might be in place, even if it may be early for that still!

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Originally Posted by Dragoy

Hmmm. By “only get a skill up if you catch something”, are you referring to actually reeling them in? I'm thinking yes, since you later mention the “did not catch anything”.

If so, well to that, I can only say that it is actually possible to gain skillupses from a lost catch. In other words, I've had it happen quite a few times, that when my line has been snapped, my skill advanced.

At least that was the case before the recent adjustments. I've yet to do much fishing after them, so I'm unsure if it's still happening. Of course I still agree that the rate is way too low, even considering the fact that I have seen as high as 0.3 beyond level 90! More than once!!

As for the 'did not catch anything', I certainly don't find that as a necessary feature. I doubt any player would.


Speaking of the adjustments, I guess in the grand scheme of things, I like them. I don't think I'm a fan of the big arrows that come up on the screen, but the negativeness that brings up is probably outweighed by the positives.

So a thank you might be in place, even if it may be early for that still!

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I haven't had enough line breaks to really notice if you get skill ups off them or not, but my point still stands, other crafts have a way easier time of getting skillups than fishing does. Plus you're limited to 200 fish per day, I`ve hit the daily cap without ever getting a single skill up before.

As far as the new system goes I think it's good, I like it so yea, Thank you for that.

Yeah... I guess one can only really notice it with something like the cave cherax, and still need to be “lucky” to see it. Probably. Not that those yet snapped any of my lines after them tweaks, but I've not fished them much yet.


Oh, and I forgot to include a special thanks to getting rid of the framerate limit. I really did not feel it was helping, but in fact the opposite. I know the reasoning that was, and perhaps it not helping was just my imagination, but nevertheless, it was something I was hoping to become at least optional.

I am somewhat curious about if everything is working as intended, currently, since I almost feel like it's a little too easy. I need not do anything except hit enter to reel in yellow globes for example. I do like it; it feels like my skill level matters, but I guess I'm having a bit of them too good to be true-feels.

I'm a bit sad now that I just did the major leveling up part before these changes (including getting Lu Shang's and Ebisu). I almost kind of want to do it again...

I find the new system to be very difficult to use on a Keyboard built into your alienware laptop with windows 8.1 when it comes to playing this fishing game on ffxi by using your number pads arrow keys. You have to constantly tap it in the directions the silver arrow's shown direction instead of being able to hold down the arrow key/keys in the opposite direction in the way you used to be able to do it even when the fishing rod is swapping directions for-> {you to be able to keep reeling it in opposite directions of the rod} and thats where the problem for the most part of the KB user's comes into play with the new fishing system.

I have lost more catchers at low level fishing in the new way verses over the older way of fishing with the stamina bar replenishing easier above my character's head. I'm still waiting for the dev team to make it possible to carry multiple fishing lures stacked inside the ammo slot as well.

I made sure to space out by creating more paragraph's for those who are hard of reading readers out there or hard of keeping track in where you are reading-at or where you were reading.

YosemiteYogorockBlondelle,


'Tis true that some things are now more difficult. I, for example, can no longer reel in matsya, which was relatively easy before. I imagine I should not be able to reel them in just yet, though, since my skill is only at 93. I can't say (yet) what they are like with a higher level than that. I sure hope they wont be horrible then, and that they don't require a moghancement/moglification (my mog house is just horrible, and impossible with regards to those key items).

What has become a lot easier (and faster) is reeling in the lower level fish (level compared to the fisher's skill level).

It is also true that we can't just hold down to one direction, hoping for the quick-like fish to move to the same direction all the time. The point is, I guess, that we only have to press to a direction only once per 'pull', not hold it down. It has been a bit of an annoyance at times when I press the wrong direction for a very short amount of time, which was less punishing before, than it is now.

I have yet to try fishing on lower levels, so I can't really say anything about that, still.

I love the new way of fishing. Its less boring than before. But a little less. But what really needed to be changed, hasn't been changed. You still catch to many items in the water in my opinion. I wander how can the water in vanadiel be so polluted. And i still wander how can the poor fishes swim in it. Maybe everyone throw their crap in the water in this world ? Maybe water is the dustbin. Who knows...

And that combined with the horrible fishing skill up rate : that is the thing making fishing boring. If SE doesn't want to increase the rate, they should at least do something with the items we get with guild points and with a lot of our playtime.

By exemple : in the Fisherman's apron and fisherman's smock, instead of the effect "Reduces chances of fishing up items" it should be "Prevents of fishing up items". So it will only focus to fish fishes. And instead to catch an items, a fish bite, so we get more fishes.

Same thing with the Noddi ring : intead of "Reduces the chances of fishing up monster" it should be "Prevents to fishing up monsters". And instead of a monster, a fish bite.

That would be a little usefull change for fishers.
What SE didn't understand its : players weren't complaining about the fishing system, players were mainly complaining about the unrealistic fishing results and skill up rate.

The fishing system is better now though. Its a good work but... thats not what it mainly needed to be changed.

I finally got around to trying the fishing changes and I've found 1 thing i don't like. As a 102 fisher with Ebisu, before I could tell what was on the end of the line based on how the stamia of the fish depleted. For harder fishes using the tapping direction method. But with this new way to fish, it relies solely on fishing instinct/gear for you to know if what is on the end of the line is what you want to reel in. That I don't like. The old system was better as those that knew fishing could tell what was on the end of the line based on the stamina depletion.

I don't like SE removing the skill aspect of fishing for more luck. Just like how salvage cells were replaced by random unluck. Skill > Luck.

VoiceMemo,


That indeed is somewhat true at least with the lower level fish, which have their stamina depleted automagically, without player input. It's not completely true for higher level fish, which don't immediately jump to our laps.

At 93-95, it would seem that around level 70 fish already go down rather fast, without any input, but it's easy enough to still notice is it's that fish, or some other fish. I can easily imagine this being an annoyance at some places.

Do you have any example fish in mind, that which are especially frustrating with this new system?

I've been mainly spending my time with cave cherax and a bit of matsya lately, aside from some guild-points fish (which is the only time I've yet to try lower level fish with the new system).

I don't get fishing skill ups! I am Apprentice level 42 fishing for Shall Shell and Monke-onke.
I have caught 30 fish with no skillup at all. Have the skill up rates been adjusted and is there fishing skillup food? This is getting to be very frustrating!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I give up on fishing. Not long til I give up on FFXI. SE apparently doesn't care about the player base.

esmrambo,


I've gone well beyond 100 catches without any advancement. I believe what you're experiencing is indeed intended (as to why anyone would want to impose that to anyone, I can't begin to guess).

That said, they often seem to come in packs. It's especially after a longer period of time with nothing at all when I have suddenly gained several advances in a row. It can be frustrating, but it is what it is.

As far as I know, only the Pelican Ring helps with the rate at which this skill goes up, but even two of them at once will not do miracles (or perhaps it does, but they're so small miracles it's difficult to tell). They do make it possible to get multiple advances in one pull, though.

For example something like this can, and has happened:

Dragoy caught a cave cherax!
Dragoy's fishing skill rises 0.3 points.
Dragoy's fishing skill rises 0.3 points.
Dragoy fell from his chair again.

I was at 45 myself until I started fishing again in the end of 2013. Well, I got my Lu Shang's quest finished just as we slipped to 2014, so it was only after that when I started to work on the skill. Just minutes ago I got to 98...


I've said it before, and I'll say it again: it would no doubt keep people at it better if they could see some progress more often.

Well, it is odd that SE doesn't want people to enjoy fishing.
But the more things that become unenjoyable, more less reason I have to continue playing the game. If you think about the definition of "game" a way to have fun. FFXi is becoming less and less a way to accomplish that.

Even with the ring, skill ups are abysmal, we really do need a increase in the rates.

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Originally Posted by Nakts

Even with the ring, skill ups are abysmal, we really do need a increase in the rates.

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I'd make that: even with two rings simultaneously they're abysmal. ^^;

Even if I'm closing more and more to the limits (should soon be seeing 99), I'd still definitely like them to adjust this part of the system.

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Originally Posted by esmrambo

I don't get fishing skill ups! I am Apprentice level 42 fishing for Shall Shell and Monke-onke.
I have caught 30 fish with no skillup at all. Have the skill up rates been adjusted and is there fishing skillup food? This is getting to be very frustrating!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I give up on fishing. Not long til I give up on FFXI. SE apparently doesn't care about the player base.

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That's not really that odd. Statistical extremes happen and that's not really that unlikely. I mean I've missed 5 times in a row against something I had 95% capped accuracy against.

No ring I normally averaged about 2-3 levels a day fishing to full fatigue until 90+. Some places a bit higher and I've gotten as much as 10 levels in a day but yeah expect bad streaks too. So that comes out to averaging .1 every 10 but since some of those can be .2s or .3s actually less. So probably ends up being more like 5-10% skillup rate. But really skilling up fishing is the easiest least time consuming craft in the game. I've got it down to where I can go from 0 to ebisus in under a month and that's mostly sticking with decent bite rate fish so I can do it with less time ig. But compare to look at it this way at lower levels skillup rate is about 25-33% and but you have to actually get ingredients and spend money vs the ~5-10% for fishing where it's pretty much pure profit. But if 30 no skillups makes you want to quit fishing probably isn't for you. If tail ends of random numbers generators make you want to quit probably should get away from games that have any odds in them. I normally catch 12 hakryu an hour for example with a decent amount line breaks too. But I've also gone a full 4-5 hours without a single bite while not fatigued. That's just the way statistics work. I think I heard rumor of a food but no testing

You should write a guide then, all the old ones are now obsolete.

Fishing does not have to be so frustrating, and it is not "pure profit" because you need to spend gil on bait/lures/rods

while getting SLOWEST skill ups. I've easily gotten to 10 in a craft in a day - at skill level 3 with fishing still and spent hours and hours and hours on it.

What I want is the get skillups when I fish. If I catch 40 fish that are 10 levels above my skill I would expect to get at least 4-5 0.1 skillups. But I got no skill ups at all from catching 40 fish 10+ levels above my skill level. What is the point of fishing if you can never level up. Unless I have the time to catch 2000 fish per day, and you eliminate restrictions on number of fish, I will never level.

No need to be overly dramatic. RNG will be random. You will level up give it time. It's like completely given up because something with 50% droprate doesn't drop 4 times in a row. Calm down and let the statistics even out. It's nowhere near as bad as half you seem to want to make it you are just incredibly impatient. If they made it 2k fish a day I could probably get 0-100 within a week

Seriously you think that's bad try any other craft except cooking to high levels. Watch as you spend litterally several hours farming and/or spend millions of gil on a single ingredient for a single synth just to have it blow up in your face with no skillup and huge losses. Or try rl fishing lol.

As far as guide I somewhat follow kida's guide which doesn't seem to exist anymore :(. So I'll kinda have to do this from memory so might not be exact since it's been awhile since last I skilled up and well I've gotten like 6 characters to 100+


Moat carp to 11
Pipira ~27
Crystal bass ~ 35
Shall shell to 53
Forget what I did for the next few levels but most of them suck as far as bite rate goes. If you have or know a bonecrafter you can do trumpets for decent profits either way whatever bridge in this gap you find do it till about 60. Though you could just go to the next step at a meh bite rate right at 53.

This step is slighlty different since you will be targetting 2 fish. You will use shrimp lure at nashmau docks to do so and you will be going for Mercanbaligi which cap at 86 and ahtapot which caps at 90. As long as you aren't too far under the level your bite rate will be awesome and you can find yourself capping for the day in about 3-4 hours with a whole bunch of fish that npc for 700 or 800 each. After that skilling up doesn't matter too much. Without ebisus this will probably be your fastest consistent money and if you are serious about fishing you will be working on the ebisus. Once you get ebisus you will want to fish Hakryu for money which will slowly skill you up in the process.

There is also an interesting alternate method of skilling up. Similar to crafting if you fail to catch a fish you can still skill up. So the idea is to force yourself to lose a catch by using a composite rod on "too small" fish. You wont catch anything so you wont be getting any gil while doing this and the few fish I tried doing this I had bad bite rates (though that might be because I was trying crescent fish at like level 25 lol) but if you have a bunch of time left over in the day after hitting hte 200 fish limit this might be for you. I haven't really done this method much but here are some example fish with there caps to use

53 : Istridye from the Nashmau docks (Robber or Rogue Rig)
69 : Crescent Fish from East Sarutabaruta (???) - I didn't do this one
75 : Tavnazian Goby from the Lufaise Meadows G-9 Bridge (Minnow)
88 : Black Ghost from the Caedarva Mire I-10 Island (Worm Lure)

Also for anyone that doesn't know if you plan on skilling up participate in the fish ranking each time. Double skillup rate is awesome

Is there really a double skill up for fishing? In my experience there is no skillup in fishing!!!

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Originally Posted by esmrambo

Is there really a double skill-up for fishing? In my experience there is no skill-ups in fishing!!!

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Well, I haven't done much fishing since the change and mostly due to the fact I really don't catch anything and feel like I'm wasting my time on the fishing when there is plenty of other stuff in the game where you actually get something for doing something at least!! Well at least for rusty buckets you get a mesley 50 gil for the piece of junk which is a unusable item besides letting it take up space in your mog house.

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Originally Posted by esmrambo

Is there really a double skill up for fishing? In my experience there is no skillup in fishing!!!

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Skillup ring litterally gives you an extra chance to skillup each catch. I've actually got 2 +.3s on a single catch.

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Originally Posted by esmrambo

Is there really a double skill up for fishing? In my experience there is no skillup in fishing!!!

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Originally Posted by dasva

Skillup ring litterally gives you an extra chance to skillup each catch. I've actually got 2 +.3s on a single catch.

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Good luck getting any of the fishing rings!! ;-/

The one ring is rather easy to get, as are all of the company, really.

Or at least it should be again soon'ish, when people are done with the RoE fish ranking objective... Before that, the game had to fill in blanks with fake players on the ranking results, so it was not, and should not be too big of an issue to be ranked up high enough once that clears out a bit.

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Originally Posted by YosemiteYogorockBlondelle

Good luck getting any of the fishing rings!! ;-/

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I'd just wait till it was one of the more annoying fish. Often on the more annoying ones less than 20 people would enter so automatic ring to anyone that did

People have been flooding the ranking, I figured it was because of the ROE thing, but I had a pretty strong entry and was still only 24th.

On common ones it's pretty bad. I remember it was jungle catfish once... litterally spent a full week pulling up 200 a day and used the best one and got like 30th.... then one time it was sea zombie and litterally only 4 people entered <.<.

Not sure about the RoE thing since you only have to enter not win anything... and generally you can skillup so fast that if you get one and fish to cap each day by the time you can win another you will be too high to matter. So I was always rather perplexed why people keep entering over and over and over again. If it's really popular sometimes people will bazaar good fish outside... they are rather expensive but in my experience they also tend to be about as good as you can fish up and so win alot though always check ranges for your fish before buying

On another note, I wonder a little bit about the ranking system.

Does it always give a ring to the 20 first that are listed, regardless of their position? I'm referring to how there may be shared positions, like two with the same amount of points are first, and the next rank is third, and the twentieth is 18.

If the ranks were really shared, the third one should have been second, and that twentieth should have been seventh. I would have been fifteenth this time around, but because there were so many sharing the same amount of points, I was pushed down to 32th, with 284 points (first place was 238; I certainly don't understand how people can always find better than I do, like above, I, too, tend to use quite a bit of time into this sometimes (actually not that much this time around, but I digress!)).

Of course it would be horrible if so many more than 20 could actually get the ring! Oh the horror, right? I don't feel it's fair to handle it this way, if I indeed understand it correct-like. ^^;

What does the duck ring do guys? What is "fishy intuition?"

Olor,


As far as I can tell, mentioned once upon a time here, it increases the likelihood of receiving them golden opportunities (that is, the yellow, gold-like arrows during fishing).

(Can't say that is all there is to it, but it's certainly the only thing I came up with/noticed.)

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Originally Posted by Dragoy

On another note, I wonder a little bit about the ranking system.

Does it always give a ring to the 20 first that are listed, regardless of their position? I'm referring to how there may be shared positions, like two with the same amount of points are first, and the next rank is third, and the twentieth is 18.

If the ranks were really shared, the third one should have been second, and that twentieth should have been seventh. I would have been fifteenth this time around, but because there were so many sharing the same amount of points, I was pushed down to 32th, with 284 points (first place was 238; I certainly don't understand how people can always find better than I do, like above, I, too, tend to use quite a bit of time into this sometimes (actually not that much this time around, but I digress!)).

Of course it would be horrible if so many more than 20 could actually get the ring! Oh the horror, right? I don't feel it's fair to handle it this way, if I indeed understand it correct-like. ^^;

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I believe it is anyone of 20th rank or lower. Which normally would be the top 20 on the list unless there is a big enough tie at the end. Think of it this way... 2 people tieing at the top are counted the same (after all can't count someone who did just as good as better/worse) but they both did better than the next guy so he is 3rd because 2 people did better than him... or another way of thinking of it to get inched out of a ring 20 people have to actually do better than you. So if 19 did better and 1432980235343 tied with you rings for everyone!!! Of course it has been a really long time since I managed to barely eek in a win with a lucky tie at the end so they may have changed it some since then but based on your report it doesn't sound like it

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Is there really a double skill up for fishing? In my experience there is no skillup in fishing!!!

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I believe this was already answered but the rings are one way; yup, anywho, I find the new fishing system even more less interesting to do then before the changes now.

Even with rings and good guides skill ups are abysmal, we really need a higher rate on fishing and other crafts.

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Originally Posted by dasva

If they made it 2k fish a day I could probably get 0-100 within a week

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Without trying to sound overly dramatic, thats bullshit and you know it. Even if you fished 24hrs a day for 7 days the skill up rate on fishing wouldn't get you anywhere close to 100.

Loving the changes! Do we still get daily fatigue though? Would love it if that was eliminated and replaced with location fatigue instead.

Edit: And an increased rate in fishing skill gains wouldn't go amiss either. Still waiting to get 0.1 after catching 30 fish.

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Originally Posted by geekgirl101

Loving the changes! Do we still get daily fatigue though?

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Yes, this part remained unchanged (for now), but I do think I'm liking them changes still as well!

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Edit: And an increased rate in fishing skill gains wouldn't go amiss either. Still waiting to get 0.1 after catching 30 fish.

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Try >130 fish without 0.1. ^^;

Then again, I'm at level 105, so I don't mind too much any longer. I still agree that the lower levels should be more interesting, and seeing skillupses (I feel) would do just that.

Just the other night, I got a 0.1 on a matsya and it wasn't even my birthday! :O

(That was with a total of 48 reeling in-attempts... oh, wait, -1 from that which was divided by zarrro! I wish that bug was squashed sometime soon...)

With regards to drill malacaries and pwurf dagils, it would be cool if they had them for 10 points each in the log-in campaign. For 100 points each, you get only a bit over 40 with full points spent on them, from which possibly around 50 to >80% will be lost to monsters, the cobalt jellyfish, and/or line-snaps at my skill level.

That said, I do prefer the intended routes for them, but they do eat lots of time, which isn't as much preferred...

Well blow me, turned out I wasn't getting any skill because I was capped on that fish, haha!

Poor skill rate still in effect though, and yes the fatigue is still there as I couldn't fish any further after hitting 200 fish. Rather upset this is still in the game as when there's nothing else to do or I want to just relax or gather fish for crafting that I'm being told "no we're not letting you relax and get any fish!" Putting a daily fish limit in the game isn't going to stop the botters, it never has and it never will. I noticed there isn't any daily fishing restrictions in FFXIV but there is a location/game time fatigue *hint hint*. But yes, please get rid of the daily fatigue and reintroduce location fatigue, maybe even give us a game time fatigue to only be able to catch so much fish per vana day instead of per JP day, and please greatly increase the skill gain rate because it's miserably low and probably is what is making even legit players consider botting.