Omg Enough with the Pet TH+.

Thief.

Lv. 15 Job Trait = Treasure Hunter
Lv.45 Job Trait = Treasure Hunter 2
Lv.70 Thief's Knife = Treasure Hunter+1
Lv.81 Raider's Poulaines +2 = Treasure Hunter+1
Lv.90 Job Trait = Treasure Hunter 3
Lv.90 Assassin's Armlets +2 = Treasure Hunter+2

Fact: All above Proc's for TH8 when equipped, Now the total number counting each TH equals to TH10. So what I'm understanding SE made Lv.15 + Lv.45 + Lv.90 count for TH 4. Adding all the TH+ "gear" with those Traits = TH8 very Interesting....

Also on a pet proc'in note Dipper Yuly... has anyone seen it proc TH at all?

Pets don't proc TH. In fact, there is a thread requesting that DipperYuley be able to proc TH.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...st-hear-me-out

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Originally Posted by Krashport

Fact: All above Proc's for TH8 when equipped, Now the total number counting each TH equals to TH10. So what I'm understanding SE made Lv.15 + Lv.45 + Lv.90 count for TH 4. Adding all the TH+ "gear" with those Traits = TH8 very Interesting....

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TH tiers don't add up higher levels. Each level adds 1 TH tier. So a naked Lv.90 (or higher) THF has TH3, not TH4 or TH6 or anything else.

You see SE, this is what you invite in when you don't tell the player base how shit works in your game. Treasure Hunter is actually probably very simple yet we have no flipping idea what it really does in the end or how it works fundamentally with gear you associate with it.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

You see SE, this is what you invite in when you don't tell the player base how shit works in your game. Treasure Hunter is actually probably very simple yet we have no flipping idea what it really does in the end or how it works fundamentally with gear you associate with it.

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I think we have a pretty good understanding of TH, even if we don't know the inner workings exactly.
TH1, 2 and 3 traits increase number of drops (when applicable), and each trait counts as "Treasure Hunter" +1 to increase the chance of each drop slot as well. THF main can increase an existing TH effect through an additional effect weapon proc.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

Not really. My dislike of BST having TH is not in fact a dislike of BST having TH but rather a dislike of any job outside of THF having TH except by a form of gear.

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Jugs are gear. Consumable Ammo.

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As I said earlier I think Taru Sash or an item with TH1 as it has should exist for all jobs except THF. This way every job has a small bit of it while THF is still the king. Most jobs have TH1 in some form, be it TTSash, a JA, or a Pet, this does not change the fact. I do not mean to blow it out of proportion but it is the most unique thing about a THF and its primary reason it is brought anywhere so far as I know. So to ask that it is limited to a few jobs seems reasonable on my part.

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But even at TH3, BST was never a threat to THF. No one goes into an event needing Treasure Hunter and says, "Let's go with a BST instead of a THF. TH3 is all we need."

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As for disliking BST, I don't so much dislike BST, I dislike the ease it has for wearing nothing but perle gear & the like, and I dislike many people I am encountered by who play the job, past that I started playing BST on my other character and find it somewhat enjoyable, and have began to use it for a number of things.

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I've run into lots of people playing every single job and found all manner of jerks, incompetents, and weirdos. I've run into people who perform well in subpar gear on every job as well. Take each person as an individual, and don't assume wholesale changes need to be made for the behavior of a few. You end up hurting the people doing it right more than the lazy selfish jerks.

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Originally Posted by Arcon

TH tiers don't add up higher levels. Each level adds 1 TH tier. So a naked Lv.90 (or higher) THF has TH3, not TH4 or TH6 or anything else.

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LOL?... Take your naked Lv90+THF out and see what procs I bet you'll PROC TH4 not TH3.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...n-on-TH-please

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Originally Posted by Krashport

LOL?... Take your naked Lv90+THF out and see what procs I bet you'll PROC TH4 not TH3.

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TH doesn't proc. TH upgrades proc.

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http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...n-on-TH-please

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See my reply.

it's kinda sad that there's still a plethora of players who still have theories about TH levels with gear and traits...

SE even let us see the trait level up on mobs, now...get with it

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Originally Posted by Aldersyde

There is a logical reason. Mobs have jobs. That's how the SE designed the game. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean there's no logic behind it.

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Jobs, yes. But mobs don't always have access to all their jobs abilities and traits do they? I cant remember the last time i fought a thf type mob and it stole something from me.

But lets continue that line of thought. Lets give the thf pets or charmed mobs a good TH value. But all thf mobs in the game would have to get TH too, to even the field. And any time a player is defeated by a thf mob, they have increased chance of losing something in their inventory, be it an item or a equipment. Fair is fair right?

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Originally Posted by Camiie

Unrelated bullshit

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And sometimes people take what SE says as something completely different, they never promised pet TH gear, so take your own advice:

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Originally Posted by Camiie

Grow up and deal with it.

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Promise, no, imply they would at a later date add some, yes. Thanks to Tarutaru Sash which is a piece of gear for jobs outside of THF with Treasure Hunter on it, many people likely thought by them saying they would possibly add items for it in the future that they would actually do it and it wasn't just a simple possibility.

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And sometimes people take what SE says as something completely different, they never promised pet TH gear, so take your own advice:

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If you're going to quote me then quote me. Don't put words I didn't type under my name. Don't alter what someone else wrote in any way. You know better than that.

They are the ones that mentioned players being able to increase a pet's treasure hunter via gear. That gear does not currently exist. Why even bring it up if there were no plans for it to be implemented? What was it all just a big troll by the devs? I guess you're cool with that, but I prefer to hold them to their word.

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Originally Posted by Godofgods

Jobs, yes. But mobs don't always have access to all their jobs abilities and traits do they? I cant remember the last time i fought a thf type mob and it stole something from me.

But lets continue that line of thought. Lets give the thf pets or charmed mobs a good TH value. But all thf mobs in the game would have to get TH too, to even the field. And any time a player is defeated by a thf mob, they have increased chance of losing something in their inventory, be it an item or a equipment. Fair is fair right?

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I'm pretty sure all mobs have access to their respective job's traits, some are just more noticeable and easier to test for than others. If you charm a wild lady bug, it's pretty obvious it has gilfinder (because its been tested and buried in the BG forums somewhere and it was the confirmation of gilfinder that led to speculation that they also possessed TH) if you fight beastmen mobs with it, bst beastmen mobs have killer effects, war mobs have the double attack trait, thf mobs have the triple attack trait, etc. The point of my post was to demonstrate that there was logic and reason to Yuly having the TH trait, because SE assigns jobs to mob families (and therefore their traits), and therefore to bst pets. That's just how SE made mob mechanics. I can't see any reason for you to nitpick my post other than to be obtuse. So good going, you got me to respond...congrats I guess.

If you really think players losing items when they are defeated by monsters is a good idea, lobby SE to get it implemented. I'm sure some sadist at SE HQ would think it would be fabulous idea to make players grind for the same pieces of gear over and over again through such a system. You really should be careful what you write on these forums.

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I'm pretty sure all mobs have have access to their respective job's traits, some are just more noticeable and easier to test for than others. If you charm a wild lady bug, it's pretty obvious it has gilfinder (because its been tested and buried in the BG forums somewhere and it was the confirmation of gilfinder that led to speculation that they also possessed TH) if you fight beastmen mobs with it, bst beastmen mobs have killer effects, war mobs have the double attack trait, thf mobs have the triple attack trait, etc. The point of my post was to demonstrate that there was logic and reason to Yuly having the TH trait, because SE assigns jobs to mob families (and therefore their traits), and therefore to bst pets. That's just how SE made mob mechanics. I can't see any reason for you to nitpick my post other than to be obtuse. So good going, you got me to respond...congrats I guess.

If you really think players losing items when they are defeated by monsters is a good idea, lobby SE to get it implemented. I'm sure some sadist at SE HQ would think it would be fabulous idea to make players grind for the same pieces of gear over and over again through such a system. You really should be careful what you write on these forums.

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Originally Posted by Godofgods

Jobs, yes. But mobs don't always have access to all their jobs abilities and traits do they? I cant remember the last time i fought a thf type mob and it stole something from me.

But lets continue that line of thought. Lets give the thf pets or charmed mobs a good TH value. But all thf mobs in the game would have to get TH too, to even the field. And any time a player is defeated by a thf mob, they have increased chance of losing something in their inventory, be it an item or a equipment. Fair is fair right?

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As of now we don't lose items at all when defeated, so you are proposing an increase to something that doesn't exist as a game mechanic? Sure, sign me up then. Increase the non-existent thingy all you like. Infinity times zero is still zero.