Oy, don't give Square any ideas now. They'd might actually do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Camiie
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07-12-2012, 10:04 PMTrisscar
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07-12-2012, 10:22 PMApie
Final Fantasy XIV has the right idea when it comes to NMs, spawns every 5 minutes on the dot and no placeholders. At first I thought that was stupid, but after a while, I realised that it's a thousand times better than waiting hours on FFXI for a small chance of pop and an even smaller chance of drop. I've been playing FFXI since it was first released and ever since FfXIV was drastically overhauled, it has actually become a much funner game than FFXI, sure it has very little content when compared to FFXI, which is not surprising, 10 years of content versus 1 year of content, but I never feel the fruatration that FFXI causes with even the smallest thing taking forever to do. This game needs less wait and more gaming. I dont miss camping black triple stars for 5 RL days straight to kill him 6 times, thats almost once a day and thats crappy useless black triple stars... I've been spoiled by FFXIV, Im now used to wanting to do something and 1 hour later its done, instead the 19 hours it would take to do something similar in FFXI. Ive got a lot of love for FFXI, but I probably won't ever get anymore highend stuff on here until they catch up with the improvements FFXIV offers already. Yes, yes, I know you all hate FFXIV, play the current build, it is much better than it was last year, it's like comparing the FFXI of 8 years ago with the FFXI of today, a drastic improvement.
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07-12-2012, 10:25 PMTrisscarAs long as that bat, as well as similarly nocturnal mobs, only pops at night. Otherwise, I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Apie
Edit: I just remembered that it spawns in a cave, so isn't exactly nocturnal. Nothing to see here. -
07-12-2012, 10:41 PMApie
Nah, its outside in rol.fields, but yeah I agree with you, if its a nighttime mob, then nighttime only is definitely acceptable.
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07-12-2012, 10:48 PMTrisscarSorry, thought you was talking about a bat NM with a similar sounding name in the dunes (it spawns in one of two caves). Now where I agree they need to remove the lotto spawns all together and shorten the respawns quite a bit, I think shorting them all to 5 minutes like you suggest is a bit excessive. Some of these NM are killed for Empy trials, remember.Quote:
Originally Posted by Apie
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07-12-2012, 11:10 PMDemon6324236Golden Bat(Valk)Quote:
Originally Posted by Trisscar
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07-13-2012, 12:34 AMRosinaNnd some of those trial mobs are used in other quests, and sometimes not every trial hunter invites you for ur stuff. (looking at you belt nm's and ninjas) So really, it will just let them complete the thing faster vs waiting hours to kill something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trisscar
I know a ton of ppl on lakshmi and odin who refuse to do the nm trails cuz of the wait times for those nms. I also had several friends do nm runs and got jipped on help. (even tho their said they would help me.)
But ya hate to say, how ffxiv did nm is spot on. You always see the nms up Which liven up the would a great deal... we already have nm like that who drop syn items. -
07-13-2012, 12:38 AMRosina
(text limit) I played ffxiv eariler this year and on and off last year. It was improved greatly. And will be improving a ton more coming 2.0. You guys get on my case for having an opinion w/o experiancing stuff. Well don't say ffxiv sucks if you only played it @ launch. I can't wait for ps3 launch. :3
only issue you guys may have is you can't gear swap in fights. And SE is adement about not adding it. -
07-13-2012, 12:42 AMTrisscar???Quote:
Originally Posted by Rosina
I'm sorry, but what's so hard about camping the non VNM parts of the trials? Sub BST or RNG and getting them is Childs play. As for the VNM themselves, I would agree that needs adjusting. As far as I know only a relative handful of jobs can solo them and getting help for them (as you say) is a lot like pulling teeth.
Compare this to the Aby HNMs (a large number of which can be done solo) and the VNM portion becomes the most absurd part of any trial (not the metals, and not the Qilin pixie dust). -
07-13-2012, 12:53 AMRosina
@ triss
I never said it was hard, they refuse to do it because of the time sink and wait is boring. Look at ninja trial, you hunt out the nms used for monk belt quests. And those are a b- to spawn since they lotto nm. (did belts 3 times) and one of those times i didn't know it was used for trials till an allience of ppl started harrassing me for killing lamburt which i needed for purple belt. Didn't even know they was in the area. infact one of the gave me a death threat.... ~.~
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07-13-2012, 01:00 AMTrisscarIt's the only way to get much of the Empy trials done these days, unfortunately. As it stands the VNM and the Aby HNM needs to be adjusted, because getting help for them can be frustrating as hell (not to mention all the KI farming you have to do to pop even one HNM). Honestly, I would just love for these dipstick hardcores explain to someone who solo'd an Empy to 90 that they didn't put forth any effort to get their weapon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rosina
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07-13-2012, 01:10 AMRosinao my god...Quote:
Originally Posted by Trisscar
that is effin petty. (not you, lack of help) jeezum thats bs... what the effin heck happen to the "epic" community, yall become jaded?
personaly speaking, i didn't even do trials @ 95 cap... i tried a few and i not only had to solo... i did those elemental ones. I got so bored doing those. Too much waiting around. I'm all for effort... but waiting on content = no effort. in most cases ur afk watching anime, movie or questionable enternatinment. -
07-13-2012, 01:13 AMDemon6324236
Try doing OAT trials, those are really fun alone, killing over 4000 mobs for my sword feels like hell.
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07-13-2012, 01:17 AMTrisscarI'd do an OaT weapon except that I have this thing called sanity I'd like to keep. Tier IV VNM trophies, expensiveQuote:
Originally Posted by Demon6324236
cruor* items, absurd amount of kills to get. What the hell was Square thinking when they made this?
Edit: *Read up on the trials in question and found I was wrong (to be human is to err, I guess), the items in question don't cost cruor but resistance credits and dominion points. -
07-13-2012, 01:19 AMRosinawhats OAT? >.>;; sorry first i'm hearing of it..Quote:
Originally Posted by Demon6324236
well killing a ton of mobs in come cases beats waiting and doing nothing... but ya... i did drk quest alot (due to 70+ restarts) so ya i can symithize
dear SE... change drk quest or at least add a counter in game...
but back on topic
most ppl here are basically saying, we want to do the content. Just w/o the waiting bs. Which ffxiv proves it can happen. Waiting to do content in this day and age is rediculous. Its getting to the point where I may as well just play (shoot me) WoW.... then ffxi. Due to the fact i wait more then I play. I want to play a game not wait around with my thumb up my bum.
heck is getter to were i actually stop'ed playing ffxi to play ffxiv.. and that game supposely sucks.
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07-13-2012, 01:27 AMTrisscarOaT = Occasionally attack Twice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rosina
Something that gives Joy Toy HQ +999 to Blue Mage, Red Mage, and Paladin.
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07-13-2012, 03:15 AMWinrie
There was no venom in my response, nor my questions. I dont get on here to troll, nor do i get on here to quote and reply to everyone who posts, or argue that i am a good player. My questions and responses were constructive, and just as useful as yours.
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07-13-2012, 04:26 AMwish12ozHe's actually the leader of an LS that paid more than $4,000 for bots, he would do the content, happily. His whole LS actually quit when abyssea came out too, mainly because it was hard content that required competent players, and couldn't be monopolized by their bots. I'm sad to see them back honestly. Whats the name of that LS again? Dryroot on Leviathan? was that it? I'm pretty sure thats it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trisscar
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07-13-2012, 04:34 AMDemon6324236
Thats when you really gotta laugh at people, you are paying for something to make the game you are already paying monthly for, easier... lol.
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07-13-2012, 04:57 AMRosinawell it seems like you was addressing me in the posts so I appologies. My questions were general, and in no way about me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winrie
@ zerich I read OP several time, and it isn't all that thought out in terms of his cause. All he (as did everyone else before him) basicaly stated "i want this content because i want it" Not everyone on ffxi is gear centric, amd you guys are a small % of much larger gaming community. You can only speak for yourselves. But when you make a suggestion that effects everyone, you need to think of the best means to have said content.
having hnm on long spawns, and putting gear in bcnm isn't ideal for anyone. Some of us want to kill the hnm out in the world, not in an instance. -
07-13-2012, 04:59 AMRosinaya i read them b4 just never seen anyone use oat in game b4. And mog trials by nature are insane... full of waiting, waiting, and more waiting. Kinda why I don't do them... too much waiting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trisscar
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07-13-2012, 05:04 AMTrisscarSo what they want is hand holding? Isn't that the exact opposite of what they are claiming to ask for? IE: A challenge?Quote:
Originally Posted by wish12oz
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07-13-2012, 05:13 AMDemon6324236
OAT are not popular because most jobs use an Emp or Relic, if they are 1 handers they use a weapon to make their DPS & WSs stronger rather than TP faster. Myself I prefer the idea of OATs because while a stronger WS is good, I think if I can do 3 WSs in the time you do 2, but mine are only 10% weaker, I am doing better than you are.
On Topic:The idea presented is the only way it can be done without to many people complaining. No matter what you do though complaints will be made. -
07-13-2012, 05:24 AMRosina
honestly long spawns are not the only way you can do hnm. ffxiv proved this. There are many styles of spawn SE used over time. Force pops, claimed pops, ki pops, gather and crafted pops. Time doesn't need to be a type of pop. Nor is really good for a game. All we do in ffxi is wait on everything, from parties, to help, to getting content done. MMo are games made for fun over mnths and maths of play. But that shouldn't be waiting for content. If you want gear to be rare... do token type method. that way u build up tokens to get said gear. Just have the hnm on low time or be force pop. this keep hnm lasting a while, anyone can do the content... and there is added challenge in having to build up tokens.
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07-13-2012, 05:33 AMTrisscarThe suggestions of ZNM type pops other poster (including myself) wouldn't work... Because?Quote:
Originally Posted by Demon6324236
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07-13-2012, 05:36 AMDemon6324236
Like I said, there will always be complaining. They want to camp, that means they will complain if they don't get it. We want to have the content accessible to everyone, meaning we will complain if they get it. People want gear to be able to be gotten outside of it(myself included) so they don't have to camp, they will complain if the gear is only from the HNMs. List goes on and on but in the end its the same, no matter what is done someone will not be happy. And honestly his idea is one many have said including myself in past threads now closed, and is probably the one that steps on the least toes.
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07-13-2012, 05:41 AMDemon6324236Because they want the camp, not just the NMs, but the camping itself, I don't know why and apparently they do. ZNMs will not allow them the camping, and they will continue to complain because of it I'm sure. I would like the idea myself, it works so long as the picture thing isn't involved, but they want to camp so I figure let them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trisscar
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07-13-2012, 05:47 AMCamiieNot only that, but the ones asking for a hardcore challenge and degrading casual players are the ones most likely to cheat2win. Am I the only one who sees that as the ultimate irony?Quote:
Originally Posted by Demon6324236
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07-13-2012, 05:58 AMwish12oz
I love when the king camping crowd tries to act like Kings or any of that stuff was at all difficult after 2006~
The only hard part was getting claim, which they used bots for, then they felt superior to everyone else and could block them from being able to do content. That is what this arguement is really about. People who paid lots of money for bots are mad they cant use those bots to get stuff no one else can get anymore. -
07-13-2012, 06:29 AMFrankReynolds
I think the bottom line here is that there are already tons of world spawn NMs that no one camps regularly because they don't have good drops. So the fun / challenge of camping a spawn NM and killing it is clearly not what these people care about.
Anyone who has played this game long enough to get to where they think they are ready to fight an HNM should have long realized that FFXI is absolutely the wrong game to play for PVP, so they are barking up the wrong tree if they want to compete with other players in any meaningful way.
As far as making friends, etc. while camping... go to port Jeuno. It's like a swingers bar full of chatty galkas and cats.
If you just want to have something that no one else has... build a PUP Mythic.
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07-13-2012, 06:42 AMDazusuSadly you are misinformed. Never paid anything for a bot. That's a stupid thing to do. Secondly, our website shows we conquered every Abyssea zone when they came out - then quit after it got stale. If you're going to *attempt* to talk trash, at least get your basics correct or you'll end up looking like a bitter hater / fabricator :(Quote:
Originally Posted by wish12oz
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07-13-2012, 06:51 AMFrankReynolds
Someone else paid? or you built your own? :P
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07-13-2012, 07:15 AMmikehMediocre post. 4/10 for effort. I'd say you're about 0% correct and about 95% anally devastated. Maybe you got upset because you couldn't afford to buy a dalmatica? Hmmm. Also, I find it hilarious that you pretend you don't know what our linkshell is called or what server we hail from when you claim to know everything about us!Quote:
Originally Posted by wish12oz
I recommend you put more effort into your own linkshell and players before criticizing others too ;) -
07-13-2012, 09:10 AMApie
I don't know any of you, so I don't know if there's long term beef between some of you, but let's stop attacking one another.
Why do people hate it when things can be soloed and people do a lot soloing? I understand many want to be in parties all the time, but not all of us have that much time. Most content should be soloable, but easier or more rewarding in parties. I'm spending a lot of time on FFXIV to do all the non-repeatable pre-2.0 content, so when I come on FFXI, I don't have the liberty of looking for a long time to find a party to do things with. Technically I don't solo cause we play together (I'm married) and we have a third account whm to save our butts, but ya'll know what I mean.
Back to the NM conversation, yes 5 minutes would be short and would make emp. way too easy, but more reasonable spawn times and more than one placeholder to lessen competition would be a welcomed improvement. It shouldn't be so frustrating to play a Final Fantasy game. ;). There's so much content that making most NMs an easy spawn would still leave with a ton of things to do, more than most can handle. -
07-13-2012, 09:24 AMRosina
@ apie... its part of the genre to group.. well used to be. mmorpg does stand for massive multiplayer online role playing game. I've played a few mmo such as WoW, that most content is soloable outside raids. Aand even people find that boring now. Then you have star wars tor. Its 99% soloable. so much so its a solo rpg just with tacked on online features. (or so i've heard) Also I hate to say this, but I used to play ffxi with a 2hr time limit. I still found groups. I still got content done. How I did this was plan ahead with ppl. ask them to be up and ready for when i got on, and put my character in the area i needed to be in. I haven't seen a fight last more then an hr in this game.
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07-13-2012, 10:15 AMZerichWhy not just be like Elettaria and pay $4000 for your gearz?Quote:
Originally Posted by wish12oz
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07-13-2012, 11:26 AMRosina
i would like to add apie as i forgot something, this is a final fantasy game. Which you mostly worked as a party of characters. So having most content soloable it does make it "un final fantasy" like. And this is coming from a die hard zelda fan. And not a FF fan.
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07-13-2012, 01:06 PMApie
Yeah, but some people play just because it's a Final Fantasy game, not because they want to be social or do things with others. With the offline ones, you were in a party or 3 to 5, but you still soloed it cause u played it as 1 person controlling the entire party. Ive reached a point where I dont play FFXI nor FFXIV to be social at all anymore, I just want the content and working towards other gear/goals, that's why I still play so I guess Im part of the group that's happy that sooo much is soloable now. Which explains why I don't do any content that requires parties anymore unless it's absolutely necessary. Im just here for the game, not the people playing it, I pay $54 a month for this game (3 accounts, 18 characters,) I should be allowed to enjoy the game without needing others, doesn't that sound fair?
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07-13-2012, 03:32 PMRosina
@ apie
as mean as this going to sound your in the wrong genre then. Part of the mmorpg experience IS to be social. And saddly as mean as this sound, more and more ppl like u are logging into mmo and are infact ruining it for true mmo players. i'm finding it hard to play mmoeog anymore as all ppl want to do is solo. Finding a group is near impossible. I don't play mmorpg to be solo... no one should or it wouldn't be called an mmorpg. I'm all for different play styles, but not one that infact kills mine off.
and honestly... no because ur one less person who can group with others... its bad enough allready.
people like you are the reason the mmo is in essence dieing. they are becoming sorpg. (solo rpg) there just not enough ppl to group with any more because more and more ppl want to solo.
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07-13-2012, 04:18 PMwish12ozMy mannequin wore my Dalmatica after I retired RDM which is most likely before you started playing, thanks. And I wasnt pretending to not know, I was illustrating that I wasnt positive if that was the name and server, because its been awhile and I didnt want to say something and have been wrong. My gear is better than yours now too, wanna compare?Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeh
I dunno who that is, sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zerich
You should probably avoid pointing people to your website, that front picture of Odin II shows exactly what Im talking about with your LS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dazusu
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c2...-chamber-2.jpg
I decided to be nice and removed the name, but ya, this is on your front page. GG Mr. Nohaxx
EDIT: And ya, Im a hater, and I especially hate that for awhile, I was forced to hang out with an LS full of bad players simply because there was 1 item I wanted I couldnt get in any other LS.