I believe most here are in agreement that a run is more like 70-80mins also idk why you would be doing RvB every day or how that would take you 20mins (at most 10mins once every 3 days)Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkovChain
using your formula though lets do it this way
75*x=2.5m*0.625 which 75*x=1562500 where x now = 20.8k per alex (or pretty much what its at now) to be equal to time vs profit on your server
on my server its actually a bit less with currency prices in the decline (lost 1k in the last 3 weeks alone on some of them) where the average price is closer to 6.7k per piece with hundreds of forgottens left sitting putting those in decline (hopes alone have lost 15k in value in the last month)
for my server its
75*x=1490.625 where alexandrite only has to be 19,875 gil each add in the convinience of 3 boxing only to enter vs having to do it all the way through and its quite compairable or even more profitable than dynamis time and effort wise at current prices (and while alex currently maintains its level of value with ancient money dropping it will only be more profitable)
also this does not even take into account boss pouch so thats probably able to be even cheaper and still be equal to dynamis profits
edit: math with boss pouch 95 average assumed at a 25% drop rate with 80 (I like even numbers) average coins
95*x=1490.625 where each alex to equal to todays dynamis profits only needs to be actually 15,691 gil (so actual values probably about 16k each)
Salvage profit and you
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06-14-2012, 08:44 AMMittenz
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06-15-2012, 04:19 AMMarkovChain75 coins WITH the boss.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arcon
You do because you are required 3 characters to enter salvage unless you guyz found the super secret cheat that nobody ever heard of. There is no way you can ask 2 firends to help you in everytime you want to go, which is going to be everyday if you ever want to build money or alexandrites.Quote:
[*]You don't need to 3box, nor do you need to waste a friend's time. Unless you count the 5min it takes them to get to the gate, because that's all they have to do. And they'll never use their permit, ever.
Ah so you also plan to get captain rank, which will take a good 4 months, without dualboxing ? You are not serious.Quote:
[*]One 10min Assault will last you three runs. However, if you wanna kill two birds with one stone, you may as well get Captain rank for your mule in the process.
What's this ¿ Captain ranks assault give less than red vs blu which is only slightly better than tier I golden salvage. Not sure why you would lose so much time doing the crappy assaults just for this.Quote:
New Assaults will yield massively more AP and going to Captain once will be enough to last you for months of Salvage
Not much difference.Dynamis is nicely ahead.Quote:
[*]It's not 100min, it's 90min with a RDM, SCH or WHM support, ~80min (or less, depending on skill) with BRD support.
I was getting 550 coins with maxed TH thief, MNK, WHM, BRD.Quote:
[*]It is infinitely harder to get 300 coins and 25 forgotten than to clear Salvage. You probably need a BST mule to achieve that.
It's simple math and fact. To make you rage a little more, farming cruor is going to perform better that both dynamis and salvage.Quote:
[*]Most importantly, it's not about "winning", as you can do both. If you don't think 2M average in ~90min is comparable to Dynamis you're completely out of your mind. Not that I'd be shocked, though.
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06-15-2012, 05:04 AMArconBoss gives an average of 18+ coins. Cotton pouches give an average of 50. That means you only get 7 Alex during the run? On average? Then you must suck tremendously, because the lowest I've ever gotten was 21, which was only a partial clear. Lowest I've gotten on a full clear was 25.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkovChain
D/c on entry.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkovChain
Why without 2boxing? And I offered that as an alternative, you don't have to do it. Your estimate was still way off. It's one 10min assault for every 3 Salvage runs (10min including getting tag and zoning), so add 3min average to your Salvage donation, not the 30 you did.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkovChain
Getting to Captain rank means doing new Assaults. Assaults you do for the first time give higher AP on a win.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkovChain
That's four characters and two active DDs. You can't tell me you multiboxed them all? Salvage takes two characters and one active DD. If you weren't doing this solo, you have to split 550 coins by two, meaning 275 coins selling at 6.667k average on Leviathan, meaning 1.8M pre-forgottens.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkovChain
Why would I rage? I have nothing against alternate income means. In fact, that's what I'm suggesting to you, but you seem oddly averse to it, so much so that you make up random lies about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkovChain
Question, how much do you, Pchan, not your LS or your party, make on average during a Dynamis farming run? In gil? Because my average in Salvage is just under 2M in just under 90min, meaning I get 370 G/s. -
06-15-2012, 05:14 AMMarkovChainAre just an idiot ? In order to d/c upon entry, you sure need 3 characters.................... every frigging time that you want to enter, so you NEED to tripple box all of you run.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arcon
They also happen to give 500 AP total istead of 1k+.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arcon
THF, being a well known fail job, doesn't require to be mained.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arcon
4 marrows every two runs, plus a few hundreds of coins just from farming pops, so make it ~20 millions per run since I'm duoing everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arcon
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06-15-2012, 05:55 AMArconNo, you don't need to 3box any of the run. You just need to 3box the entry. Or ask a friend instead. It will only cost them 5min and they won't lose their permit, which is exactly what I said: "Unless you count the 5min it takes them to get to the gate, because that's all they have to do. And they'll never use their permit, ever."Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkovChain
Wrong, all of them give over 1.5 AP, some over 2k. The bonus for doing it for the first time is 50%, and no Assault gives less than 1k AP with three people.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkovChain
So whoever plays it is just chillaxing it? Or do you admit to 4boxing Dynamis?Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkovChain
If you're half as smart as you believe you are, you should know what I was asking. If you don't intend to answer just shut up.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkovChain
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06-15-2012, 06:09 AMMarkovChainYou do need 3 to enter and no, your friends are not going to enter you every time, they are not your slaves. So I stand to my point and you need 3 chars to make a pathetic 1.5 millions. There is a reason there no a alexandrite in bazar compare to currency, the reason is that salvage farming is fail money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arcon
I've made 3 relics through coins farming I know my shit. I've also paid for 4 level 90>99 empy upgrades with coins farming so I know my shit. Although all this looks ridiculous now with marrows.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arcon
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06-15-2012, 06:30 AMArcona) Yes, real friends won't mind, especially considering that you can return the favor on their runs, as you can have one permit stored up, b) I did say specifically that you need 3 to enter, but entering with three and needing three to do the entire run with are completely different, c) if it's really 1.5M for you it means you don't know your shit and you just fail at it, d) there are several reasons for why there aren't as many Alex in circulation, main one is that not many people know just how profitable it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkovChain
And you still won't answer my question. Whatever. You've obviously made up your mind. I actually don't mind if people believe you. If they don't do Salvage it's less likely the Alex price will go down, which means more for me. So it's all good.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkovChain
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06-15-2012, 07:40 AMMarkovChain
"real friends" will help you do the 400 runs required to gather 30,000 alexandrites. Got it.