10th Vana'versary Mog Bonanza

i don't see why SE just don't go ahead with these competions, are they really saying that some country is going to sue them over this?? i think most governments have more important things to be worrying about at the moment

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Originally Posted by Daniel_Hatcher

It's not like they told you to activate inactive accounts to increase your chances of winning.

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Yeah, silly me for believing their promotions........Wow.

As the title says.. NO FREAKING WAYY?! Does this mean that SE will have to take out our gambling tables too?!!!

Not that anyone really used them.. but, it was always great fun to spend an hour or so waiting for an event with the LS to have a bit of banter over the Jeuno Gambling table for 10k a roll...

This is an in-game gambling event.. Does this too get effected by world-wide laws?

I'm not too worried about the final bonanza being played, because after all, who wins? I'm usually out of pocket every year, and wished i'd never held onto the damned tokens for around 2 months.

I was always very cynical about it too..
Let the moogle choose numbers, or you pick 'random' ones yourself.
I never truly believed that the numbers are totally 'random' on the draw.. because surly at the end of the day, the numbers are generated by a computer, which uses 1' and 0's, which can easily calculate which numbers have been selected by the players, and just choose the winning rank 1 accordingly..

But thats just me being a sore-looser, never getting above rank 4 for all the years its been running..

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Originally Posted by Daniel_Hatcher

It's not like they told you to activate inactive accounts to increase your chances of winning.

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It's not like they told us that an event was going to happen and then decide to cancel it.

This event was originally announced in April. As of June, they've pulled the plug, claiming international laws. What laws have changed in the past two months that would hinder them from actually going through with the event? ...OR did SE have their collective heads so far up their bums that they didn't even bother to check to see if this was still in accordance with international gambling laws?

I would have been ok with them saying, 'hey, we can't do this event anymore because of these laws'. Instead of promising an event and then pulling the plug only AFTER someone had asked about it.

So what, they weren't planning on actually telling us formally that this event wasn't going to happen?

Either way: Fail.

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This event was originally announced in April. As of June, they've pulled the plug, claiming international laws. What laws have changed in the past two months that would hinder them from actually going through with the event?

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Hm?? there was no backpedaling. They never said that we'd be able to participate. It sucks that we can't, but they didn't pull the plug, it was never plugged in in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Hm?? there was no backpedaling. They never said that we'd be able to participate. It sucks that we can't, but they didn't pull the plug, it was never plugged in in the first place.

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So, what you're saying is that just because SE posted that they were going to have the event, along with a list of prizes and screenshots, doesn't mean they were ACTUALLY going to go through with the event.

I suppose though, if you follow SE logic, this makes sense.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Hm?? there was no backpedaling. They never said that we'd be able to participate. It sucks that we can't, but they didn't pull the plug, it was never plugged in in the first place.

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Orly? This wasn't posted in the English forums in April?

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...-Special-Items

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We are planning to use 1 or 2 of these for our 10th Anniversary Mog Bonanza. Hope you are all looking forward to trying them out.

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Originally Posted by Beeraga

...What laws have changed in the past two months that would hinder them from actually going through with the event? ...OR did SE have their collective heads so far up their bums that they didn't even bother to check to see if this was still in accordance with international gambling laws?...

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Have you ever worked for a company that is large enough to have it's own attorney(s)? Those guys spend free time, when they have it, going through everything a company does and then explaining how they can get sued for it. I guess S/E's attorneys got around to looking at Mogbonanza. Guessing the gambling tables will now go since, they've been mentioned.

Hopefully, S/E will still follow through on what they promised (a replacement/equivalent event) and sometime reasonably soon.

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Originally Posted by Phogg

Yeah, silly me for believing their promotions........Wow.

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Indeed!

Ah well, such is life!

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Originally Posted by Daniel_Hatcher

Reminds me of a case (can't remember where) when someone got charged in court for logging into an ex's account and dropping all their items/equipment as if she'd burned all of them in reality.

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Makes me think of America for some reason. ^^;

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

This mog bonanza is a real life event- Even if the prizes are items in a game, the contest would still be subject to laws. Not every country's law even distinguishes virtual prizes from physical ones.

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Yeah, I know the event held at Vana'fest is, but I'm talking about the Bonanza and co. that we have had in the past with no real-life festivities.

All in all, I do understand that there are laws that surely affect this kind of services, somewhere, but they have been able to do it in the past, too, so why not now? Makes me think it's all about the money. ~ö~
I don't actually remember if we had bonanzas during past Vana'fests, but either way, they could just hold a strictly in-game one for those who can't travel to the spot.

It's nice to see that they are indeed working on something like that, but yeah, these things do still puzzle me. I may have been 'spoiled' by other games who never had any sort of restrictions regarding region when it comes to a 'lottery' (or anything else, really, though payment options are more or less affected by the ability of the company dealing with them, but it's definitely not click and bye). One I remember gave away in-game item(s) as well as free subscription time for a period of some months (European company).

In the end, I wont exactly miss it too much, either, since I never win 'big'. I did have some statues I still wanted to collect, however, and I think I once got 2 x rank 4 prizes (or was it 3, naaaw, must have been 4 where I the Nocturnus Helm with). I still use it, gimp or not!

But yeah, it will likely forever puzzle me that a game can not include some regions to a contest because of laws.


/etc/init.d/blahblah stop

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So, what you're saying is that just because SE posted that they were going to have the event, along with a list of prizes and screenshots, doesn't mean they were ACTUALLY going to go through with the event.

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Said list of prizes and screenshots was never posted on the NA website. No announcement was made on the NA website. where did people get the idea that we were officially going to be able to participate? SE never said nor directly hinted that we would.

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I know the event held at Vana'fest is, but I'm talking about the Bonanza and co. that we have had in the past with no real-life festivities.

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Well that's something different altogether. I doubt that legal reasons is why they're not having it anymore. i am only talking about the live contest.

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We are planning to use 1 or 2 of these for our 10th Anniversary Mog Bonanza. Hope you are all looking forward to trying them out.

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Not the Nomad Mog Bonanza, the one that happen's at Vana'fest. SE never said we'd get to participate in the nomad mog bonanza.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Said list of prizes and screenshots was never posted on the NA website. No announcement was made on the NA website. where did people get the idea that we were officially going to be able to participate? SE never said nor directly hinted that we would.

Well that's something different altogether. I doubt that legal reasons is why they're not having it anymore. i am only talking about the live contest.

Not the Nomad Mog Bonanza, the one that happen's at Vana'fest. SE never said we'd get to participate in the nomad mog bonanza.

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Did you actually read Camate's response in this thread? There will be no mog bonanza in NA or EU regions moving forward, and the JP only event will be the final bonanza of any form. That is what we are discussing, not the nomad moogle Vanafest event.

The 10th Anniversary Mog Bonanza, as the link I provided twice now indicates, was actually announced and promoted in the english forums. It has since and at some unknown time been canceled, but the players were only informed of this change when brought up in the forums by customers, which is a credibility and consumer confidence issue.

They let over 2 months pass after promoting the event before making this announcement. Given that the event typically has required a certain period of character activation to be eligible in the past, and also given that people like myself use mules to hold our marbles for the event, the lack of communication is disturbing. The post I linked is misleading at the very least, and that is concerning.

ok. Take away the event I was looking forward to >.>

But. I suggest the following in replacement.

Give us an annual event npc that we can give 2,000gil to and it gives us a random prize coupon which could be exchanged for different prizes. Without the "lottery style" number drawing that SE has been doing to make it appear like a real "lottery" the prizes shouldn't be categorized the same but gives us the same potential benefit of the old event. Give us the limit of 10 prize coupons that we can purchase per character, which would be similar to the previous "lottery".

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

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Originally Posted by Dragoy

I know the event held at Vana'fest is, but I'm talking about the Bonanza and co. that we have had in the past with no real-life festivities.

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Well that's something different altogether. I doubt that legal reasons is why they're not having it anymore. i am only talking about the live contest.

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Yeah, I figured you were. ^^

That's what I poked about with the 'why not create a bonanza for the rest, too, that is not tied to the live one'. I can't remember from the previous festivities if they had something for us. I do think it would not make sense really for us to be able to participate in a contest that is held over there, so probably not.

Now that I think of it, it was probably the Nomad Mog Bonanza that was held for the rest of us in 2010, and it happened just once if I recall (not going through the wikki and news now).

Either way, it's a bit weird it's going to be completely shut down and do something else (or does it really just refer to Nomad one, or all of them... wording makes me think all of them (well, like I said earlier, it's the end of the world (as you know it))).

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Originally Posted by Camate

The North America and European Community Teams have been working diligently preparing for the Nomad Mog Bonanza, but unfortunately due to changing times and differing global laws, we will not be able to hold a Mog Bonanza for NA and EU regions moving forward.

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While i know the laws a iffy on such stuff, i do know that mogbonaza is no more illegal than a ton of facebook games which are international.

I also beileve that if you didn't pay gil for the marbles it would take the gambling laws out of it (may have to only have 10 marbles per person rule tho)

Either way w/e

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Originally Posted by Rezeak

While i know the laws a iffy on such stuff, i do know that mogbonaza is no more illegal than a ton of facebook games which are international.

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If I recall, Facebook puts restrictions on the accounts of members who are below the age 18. Square-Enix puts no such restrictions on minors and I doubt they're willing to start now.

Remember: legitimate FFXI players can be as young as 13.

I remember last vanafest people logged in with their account to pick a number for the real life vanafest. Didn't brake any rules. If Blizzard can have a RMAH on Diablo 3 where people play to get random items to sell for real money, which is similar to gambling. Don't know why they can't have this contest.

They can still do this. If they give the tickets away 10 random ticket by mog mail technically it's not gambling.

An issue is when people pay gil (gamble) for a lottery ticket.

Secondly, since there are people that would do RMT << they have to consider those items of $$$ value.

These two is what gets them in trouble.

They draw the numbers out of a fishbowl. They've said as much in previous mogbananas in the past. Or at the least ran a RNG in a room with Tanaka and other senior devs. The fact that they're using a system outside the game to make the drawing may be why this is considered a raffle instead of a purely game event. So, Ionno.

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Originally Posted by Dazusu

The simple way around it is to have the Moogle that distributes tickets ask the player a simple question, such as: "What's the sum of 4 + 4?" - If they answer correctly, they are entered into a pool of players who also answered correctly, and are able to select their Marble numbers as per usual.

Legally speaking, it's no longer a lottery, it's now a nominal test of skill. (This would work in the UK and USA, unsure about other jurisdictions). Companies abuse this loophole every day.

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This would be a nice loophole because answering 4+4 = 16 is super easy ;p

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

It certainly is true that it is very difficult to have international contests. Even when you can do it, you're often forced to exclude certain people due to their nation'state/district/municipal laws.

This mog bonanza is a real life event- Even if the prizes are items in a game, the contest would still be subject to laws. Not every country's law even distinguishes virtual prizes from physical ones.

I don't know about you, but I'm not going to refuse to patoronize another SE service or game or manga or whatever purely because they cancelled some other one. It's just a fact of life- nothing lasts forever. FFXI won't last forever, FFXIV won't last forever, nothing will last forever. There's no sense in being spiteful over it. That would / is going to be a petty action on your part.

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It comes to a head again all this time I've been trying to explain equal means if everyone can't have it something should be made that EVERYONE can do. I argued with you about this in the past. You see how corrupt and imbalanced things get when no rigid fairness guidelines are written out? You have the same group of players getting the goodies while the others get sloppy seconds. I can't express in words now horrible it is when people become corporate sympathizers. Players know well that there is a type of segregation of the gaming population here but refuse to admit it. Yet again the same group will probably get the superior event while US/EU get some sad excuse of a an item that gives 99 fireworks every 136 hours.

I'll even go out on a limb here and say that even if the special replacement event for US/EU is acceptable it won't exclude the group that was allowed to participate in the mog bonanza. Let's just let a select few get a scoop of ice cream and a freeze pop while we are lucky to get only a freeze pop. After our discussion if you're still following that same mind set of things can be equal. I hope they give you a lump of coal that gives you a one time 50exp when you use it. Seriously, based on the defense you gave in the past this would be acceptable.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Greetings!

As many of you seem to be curious about the status of the Nomad Mog Bonanza, I’d like to take a moment to explain the current situation.

The North America and European Community Teams have been working diligently preparing for the Nomad Mog Bonanza, but unfortunately due to changing times and differing global laws, we will not be able to hold a Mog Bonanza for NA and EU regions moving forward.

While Japan will hold the Nomad Mog Bonanza at VanaFest 2012, it will mark the final Mog Bonanza of Vana’diel. Furthermore, to make sure that our players in North America and Europe aren't left out, we will be holding a separate event where players will be able to win similar prizes (all the goodies from tier 1, tier 2, and tier3…plus a bunch of other rare in-game items), so rest assured we will be giving you a good opportunity to make all your Vana’diel dreams come true!

Also, even though the Mog Bonanza will be gone, we will be offering a different event for our end of the year celebration for a chance to win the items of your dreams!

We will be announcing the NA/EU event very shortly, so hang tight and look forward to it!

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Does this mean the old battle tickets and statutes will be purchasable/craft able?

Wait, so is Japan getting to participate?

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Originally Posted by Trisscar

Does this mean the old battle tickets and statutes will be purchasable/craft able?

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I wonder if they've even thought about it. They may be perfectly fine with these items no longer being available.

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Originally Posted by Nakts

Wait, so is Japan getting to participate?

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They're having a Mog Bonanza for Vanafest attendees. I don't think it's for anyone but them. That's what I understand anyway. Whatever the case is, this will be the last one and yes none of us get to play.

All I ever wanted from the bonanza was a 4th tier prize. Just the Redeyes so I would never run out of my favourite pretty firework, my needs are simple.

Looks like it may never happen for me now though. Darn it I had a 50% chance of getting one last year but luck didn't go my way.

I thought Redeyes came from the pre-Crystal War event only (Crystal War Revisited). And that only 1000 pair were distributed to the highest ranking adventurers. Adding them as a bonanza prize makes them seem less special. :/