NIN combinations

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Originally Posted by Arcon

Also, all his arguments are paradoxical. He keeps saying that NIN's only purpose is to DD and if you want something else, you should level another job. However, NIN itself is a sucky DD, and is thus a bad choice for that particular scenario. So why come /WAR to boost NIN's DD capabilities when you could just as well switch to WAR/ (and level it first, if you don't have it already, as that was his argument)? That makes NIN itself useless and playing it is a waste of time, which is ironic as he seems to have it set as his main job on the forum display.

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OMG, you totally get it!
Wanna see a SS I just posted on BG?
http://images.bluegartr.com/bucket/g...a8856add19.jpg
It was in refference to me talking about how I just got a second Valkyrie breastplate, the only 2 on the whole server (for about 12 hours, Xdark managed to finally get one too, grats to him.

500~ more plates and both Ukons will be 99 as well.

EDIT::: But seriously, NIN is bad enough as it is, my WAR does 4x-5x the damage my NIN does, why gimp yourself further by using a subpar SJ on a subpar job? And for the the WHM debate, what does RDM or SCH offer? Everything they do comes down to 'it gives you more MP' while BLM gives you the ability to cast stun and cast D2, which is far superior because MP isn't an issue for any event that there is to do in the game right now, and if your WHMs are running out, you're playing poorly. The only event when anything beyond refresh gear is even useful is legion, and you should have at least a RDM casting refresh 2 on you there, which makes sublimation and refresh 1 from /rdm both useless.

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http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/251704
Posting this link in case people dont know what the set is.

What's with you and /blm, dude get an instant warp already. It's MORE EFFICIENT AND YOU'RE DOIN IT WRONG!

Have to agree with Behemothx on warp-scrolls being efficient. :b

But yeah, in short, I am with Arcon here. Not everyone do things your way, and it does not mean they suck at the game. No, really! A game should be fun, and not everyone will find things fun like you do, as I mentioned in another thread. People like to challenge themselves by soloing, or tackling things with a friend or few. In these situations, it is often a lot more efficient to sacrifice on the damage output and go with a more supportive support jobs and all that.

I'm sure you agree.

It seems to me you are only talking about situations where you can utilize several jobs and whatnot, and while this might be the one and only 'correct' way for you, it just isn't for everyone. It's like opinions; you know how those are, I'd bet. ^^;

Personally for the topic, I'm usually with the boring /WAR for the sheer damage but that is only because I more than often have a WHM to keep me up. If it's not that, then /DNC most often for the Stun capability, and/or the extra cure option depending of what I'm doing (these events usually consists of 2-4 characters as a whole).


Blubb ! !! !

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Originally Posted by Dragoy

Have to agree with Behemothx on warp-scrolls being efficient. :b

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Giving up gil and inventory for warp isn't useful when you don't need to, especially inventory. Maybe you guys should get good TP sets, an MDT set, PDT set, WS sets, a ninjutsu set (for VW), proc weapons (for VW and abyssea) and tools, then come back and tell me how awesome -1 inventory is.

While you're at it, why don't you list what SCH and RDM provide aside from more MP and provide evidence that extra MP is needed. If you can't even do that than I win by default because you're conceding to my point that extra MP isn't useful, while +1 inventory is always useful. Just saying X is better than Y isn't going to cut it, I have stated why BLM is better, but have yet to see anyone say anything about SCH or RDM except lolusonoob! and the like. Argue against my points or the validity of your own opinion or GTFO.


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Seriously, how did I miss this?

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Originally Posted by Arcon

When did you become the new Pchan? He's the only other person I've seen spew such bullshit before.

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The new Pchan? Pchan might say silly things sometimes, and do dumb stuff, but he's still better than 99% of the rest of you scrubs.

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Originally Posted by wish12oz

While you're at it, why don't you list what SCH and RDM provide aside from more MP [..]

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AoE buffs, faster casting and recast times.

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Originally Posted by wish12oz

[..] and provide evidence that extra MP is needed.

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In Salvage it has come in very handy. Would take me a lot longer if I had to rest with no means of Refresh, would probably even time out if I tried to clear everything, which means I'd have to cut corners to finish, thus gimping my Alex yield per session.

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Originally Posted by wish12oz

The new Pchan? Pchan might say silly things sometimes, and do dumb stuff, but he's still better than 99% of the rest of you scrubs.

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That fits, as I'm not criticizing your (or his) play style, but your argumentation. You're not objectively wrong with anything you said. Same as Pchan's "MNK only" attitude, you don't seem to understand what people are even playing for. It's not just to throw x MNKs, 1 SMN and 1 SCH at everything and see how fast you can down it. Personally I love going out and try to solo NMs just to see if I can do it. It has nothing at all to do with efficiency. I know it would be easier if I got a bunch of friends to come out with me. That's completely beside the point. I normally hate the "it's my 12.95" argument, because people use it to justify every bad behavior of theirs, but in this case it works, because this really is a matter of opinion. No one is saying you're wrong. We're just disagreeing with you. Everyone knows /WAR is NIN's best DD choice, but not all people go that route. And if you insist that that's "wrong", then you just don't get it.

Methinks someone has lost sight of what a "game" is

Don't need /sch or /rdm in salvage. You can do that /thf on Whm. AoE buffs only applies to the pt that doesn't have a whm and most people bring at least 2 anyway... most of whm's native buffs are AoE anyway. AoE stoneskin is pretty redundant post cureskin changes, I can barely consider others worth AoEing. /Rdm is almost totally useless unless you need to dispel more often.

Don't need either sub to cap cure cast time as far as I can see.

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Originally Posted by Neisan_Quetz

Don't need /sch or /rdm in salvage. You can do that /thf on Whm. AoE buffs only applies to the pt that doesn't have a whm and most people bring at least 2 anyway... most of whm's native buffs are AoE anyway. AoE stoneskin is pretty redundant post cureskin changes, I can barely consider others worth AoEing. /Rdm is almost totally useless unless you need to dispel more often.

Don't need either sub to cap cure cast time as far as I can see.

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Still, WHM/BLM today is pretty useless.

If you're benefiting from Stun it has its uses, if you're doing old content chances are you're better off /thf for TH if you aren't bringing a thf main, MP isn't an issue in abyssea or VW.

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Originally Posted by Neisan_Quetz

Don't need /sch or /rdm in salvage.

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No, but it's more efficient, which is pretty much what his sole priority seems to be.

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Originally Posted by Neisan_Quetz

AoE buffs only applies to the pt that doesn't have a whm and most people bring at least 2 anyway... most of whm's native buffs are AoE anyway.

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Sneak/Invis applies to the current pt, and saves everyone having to bring sneak/invis tools/meds, which saves more inventory than warp slots. It also enables AoE cures to wake other parties in the alliance.

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Originally Posted by Neisan_Quetz

Don't need either sub to cap cure cast time as far as I can see.

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I have no idea. I don't care much either. It saves having to bring even more gear to reduce casting/recast time, again all according to his sole argument, which is inventory.

Note, that this all is just to contradict some of the statements made, even if none of this was true, it still wouldn't mean anything. The main argument is that there is more than one way to do it.

/Thf is more efficient in old content/salvage unless you brought a thf main.

Why do you keep posting on stuff that you do not care about? Just to try and win an argument? that's pretty bad tbh. Well I suppose it would be difficult if you don't have any of the nefer/heka bodies (light damage magian staff covers either), NQ isn't that expensive, albeit possibly rare on AH.

I'm sorry but you're going to have to list areas sneak/invis even matter for, because I have seen it matter for all of nothing in most VW runs I have done, and anything around the pop becomes tp fodder.

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Originally Posted by Neisan_Quetz

/Thf is more efficient in old content/salvage unless you brought a thf main.

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Exactly.

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Originally Posted by Neisan_Quetz

Why do you keep posting on stuff that you do not care about? Just to try and win an argument? that's pretty bad tbh. Well I suppose it would be difficult if you don't have any of the nefer/heka bodies (light damage magian staff covers either), NQ isn't that expensive, albeit possibly rare on AH.

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I never said I didn't care about the argument. I said I don't care if you can cap it without /SCH or /RDM, because either way it will require you to carry more gear around, which is basically his entire argument for /BLM.

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Originally Posted by Neisan_Quetz

I'm sorry but you're going to have to list areas sneak/invis even matter for, because I have seen it matter for all of nothing in most VW runs I have done, and anything around the pop becomes tp fodder.

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You better be sorry, because it seems you just want me to list these things because your imagination is severely limited. This is what I, personally, had to use it for in the last few weeks: getting G3 done for people, getting the rank 4-1 mission done, hunting statues in Dynamis, getting to staging points, getting to trial areas and hunt for Seasoning Stones. Not that I had to list any of it, because that's not the point. The point is that there are WHM buffs you can AoE for some situations, and people will find those situations, whether you care about them or not.

In case that's not enough for you, there's also AoE Erase, Regen and all -na spells, as well as Protect/Shell for when you can't or don't want to go within an enemy's AoE range.

I am pretty sure it was about subs for VW not other events. as already stated MP is not an issue in VW or abyssea, so without needing extra dispels a la carabosse /rdm is pretty redundant. /sch is also not really needed and matters little in either area, as do invis/sneak for getting around in VW.

The only extra piece you would have to carry around is... Possibly cure clogs, or the cap+2.

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Originally Posted by vixin

Just want to know what most people like subing with their nin and some combinations, job traits, and abilities that make their job more personal unique. feel free to post anything and no this isn't a troll I'm just curious what people come up with in their own free time.

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Nothing about events here. "what most people like subing...that make their job more personal unique"

The argument starts with

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Originally Posted by wish12oz

WAR

It's cookie cutter because it's the best. If you sub anything else you're doing it wrong.

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Then other jobs and their subs got drug into it just to continue the arguing.

and now we are here...

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Originally Posted by Shadowsong

Methinks someone has lost sight of what a "game" is

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Originally Posted by Arcon

I normally hate the "it's my 12.95" argument, because people use it to justify every bad behavior of theirs, but in this case it works, because this really is a matter of opinion. No one is saying you're wrong. We're just disagreeing with you. Everyone knows /WAR is NIN's best DD choice, but not all people go that route. And if you insist that that's "wrong", then you just don't get it.

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and I couldn't agree more.

WHM can cap cast and recast time for every spell without /rdm, and you should be carrying around that set regardless of what you're doing.

Suck less on strategy or gil and AOE procs on -na spells from /sch won't be useful. Good WHMs will have yagrush, and there's no time when 1 WHM should be casting -na spells on more than 2 people, which makes the time people are debuffed the same with /sch and without. The good WHM buffs are all AOE already, shellra, barfira, etc.

Bring a THF to salvage (~.~; ) seriously. And if you can't keep up the healing in salvage as a WHM/BLM at 99 I feel sorry for you. I've gone in WAR/SAM, WHM/BLM mule and THF mule and full timed hasso, used berserk every time it was up, and tanked everything on WAR, generally multiple mobs at a time too, cause running between stuff and reengaging is annoying, better to just aggro 4-5 mobs at a time, and I never quit fighting stuff or waited for MP or rested in salvage ever. If I can do that, with my gimp WHM mule, you should be fine with real people playing your WHM. But then I have noticed my standard for being gimp is different from most peoples, my WHM mule is actually better than 99% of real WHMs. Also: SCH and RDM are better in salvage than WHM, so lol, this argument isn't even good, if anything is gimping your alexandrite returns, its your bad job combination of jobs for the event and lack of gear for the WHM.

As for your 'doing missions and stuff' with nubs, I always find it useful to break nubs of thinking people will sneak/invis them. Nothing is worse than that 1 guy who doesnt bring oils/powders and expects mages to do it for him. This is much less of an issue now, but back in my day, when getting to exp camps required you to not be a retard everyone brought this stuff and handled it on their own, and I find that mindset to be the best. But thats probably just the bitter RDM in me from 2004. Which reminds me of a funny story. This one time when I was 61~ back in 2004 going to exp in onzozo, the party leader was one of those melees who refused to bring sneak/invis, needless to say he also didnt get a chocobo at the crag, and while everyone else had already made it to camp, he came strolling into zone 15~ minutes after us, and then expected me to come back to the entrance and sneak/invis him. I promptly warped and disbanded.

Different people find fun in different things. My idea of fun is being awesome. I like to stick random stuff in my bazaar for 99,9999,999 gil just so people check me and say wow at my gear more often. It's the same reason you buy a BMW or Italian sports car IRL, or that brand new truck if you're a country boy.

I think I responded to every point people made against me. If not feel free to point out things I missed or try to argue against me.

What you missed seems to be that the only way to "do it wrong" is to not have fun. Some people like doing it your way, some don't.
I could just as easily say you are doing it wrong by taking a game too seriously. Every post you do is like 90 paragraphs, even when I agree with you I still skip your posts.

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Originally Posted by wish12oz

Good WHMs will have yagrush

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In case people weren't convinced everything you say is trolling, I present this.

And if you don't know all the reasons why /SCH is uniquely important for White Mage, go read the BGwiki article on Light Arts some more and try to figure it out. I assure you there is something you missed that is blatantly obvious to anyone who knows how to play White Mage correctly; people may prefer another sub, but not even knowing what trade offs they are making does not reflect well on them.

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More on topic, any subjob is the right sub as long as you know why you are subbing it and are exploiting the advantages it brings you, especially for Ninja.

Dance on, NIN/DNC, keep shooting, NIN/RNG, keep throwing, NIN/RNG. Keep playing how you have fun.

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Originally Posted by wish12oz

Different people find fun in different things. [..]

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This is pretty much my entire argument. I won't even bother responding to the Yagrush thing, as I feel there's no reasoning with you on that level.

BRD > RDM > WHM > SCH in terms of Salvage mules. Not sure what you could even use SCH for, unless it is to conserve MP, which you said there's no need for. I usually go THF+WHM as that's least effort. BRD mule is a pain to control, but it's easily the most efficient if you keep a haste and a refresh cycle up.

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Originally Posted by Arcon

Not sure what you could even use SCH for, unless it is to conserve MP, which you said there's no need for.

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I'm thinking it was probably something like Embrava + superior nuking power over WHM and RDM to dump the extra MP and get faster kills + superior healing over RDM.

Depending on the Salvage floor and what you're doing you might as well melee WHM (if you thought /SCH was good for MP efficiency, you should see what Mystic Boon can do in Salvage) if you're gonna bring a WHM though, but really, whatever is fun is the best.

If NIN/THF or NIN/DNC strikes someone's fancy in Salvage, power to them.

Poor people, lol. Making gil is easy, it takes longer to do everything other than the alexandrite than to make 600m to buy 30k alex at 20k each, which is over paying by Odins standards.

http://wiki.bluegartr.com/bg/Light_Arts
This says lights arts increases skill levels to B, gives fast cast and reduces MP cost of spells. You can do more than that if you skill up your magic skills, you can cap cast/recast times with gear, and MP isn't an issue, so.......... what am I missing exactly? nothing? k.

This is getting outright retarded. What does /BLM have? One extra inventory space and Stun. What does /SCH have? More MP, faster and cheaper casts, lower recast times, several AoE buffs and cures, access to Dispel, higher enhancing and enfeebling magic skills and even more inventory. What are you missing? A brain?

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Originally Posted by wish12oz

This says lights arts increases skill levels to B, gives fast cast and reduces MP cost of spells. You can do more than that if you skill up your magic skills, you can cap cast/recast times with gear, and MP isn't an issue, so.......... what am I missing exactly? nothing? k.

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Which is why /sch is superior, as it saves us those precious inventory slots for potency, not casting time. Then again, saving you one inventory space is apparently more important than saving a mages 10....

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Originally Posted by wish12oz

Giving up gil and inventory for warp isn't useful when you don't need to, especially inventory. Maybe you guys should get good TP sets, an MDT set, PDT set, WS sets, a ninjutsu set (for VW), proc weapons (for VW and abyssea) and tools, then come back and tell me how awesome -1 inventory is.

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I have all the inventory space very much used up most of the time, actually. Granted, I carry lots of 'useless' stuff for the purpose of 'fun', so I'm far from efficient in that regard. I do, however, carry more and less complete TP/WS sets as well as sets for reducing damage taken. I do not do Voidwatch, but I have weapons specifically for triggering the red weakness as a Ninja in Abyssea.

So yeah, I do know how awesome this -1 inventory you speak of can be, even though my sets may be far from complete, or optimal even. The inventory system itself is a big part against getting the most out of sets. I just can't be bothered, and I have different priorities. ^^;

A scroll of Instant Warp specifically is pretty much free, and if need be, it is easy to drop and get replaced later on so it has never felt like an issue to me. Could be to others, but that's just my experience and opinion on it.


Blubb~

This topic seriously going nowhere... Debating about WHM sub isn't the topic and isn't WHM categories...

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Originally Posted by Arcon

This is getting outright retarded. What does /BLM have? One extra inventory space and Stun. What does /SCH have? More MP,

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More MP which isnt useful.

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Originally Posted by Arcon

faster and cheaper casts,

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No it doesnt, you can cap recast and cast times with just gear on WHM, and again, MP isnt useful.

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Originally Posted by Arcon

lower recast times,

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No, it doesnt

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Originally Posted by Arcon

several AoE buffs and cures,

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WHM gets all those naturally, and MP isnt an issue so who cares if you spend 260 MP on curaga 4 or 88 oncure 4, it wont even be that much because of AF3+2 pants

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Originally Posted by Arcon

on access to Dispel,

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You got me there, but then I have a brd mule so... whatever, not useful

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Originally Posted by Arcon

higher enhancing and enfeebling magic skills

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Which arent useful, because its only 10 enhancing skill, and its not even required to reach the cap of 500, which has been shown to be the cap on everything it was tested for. And lol, enfeebling skill? you really think 14 or 15 more enfeebling skill is going to help you land.... what was it WHMs can cast again? Dia2? AWESOME! You know enfeebling skill only helps accuracy, not potency right?

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Originally Posted by Arcon

and even more inventory.

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WHMs dont get more inventory from subbing SCH, because they will have all that gear anyway for times they dont sub SCH.

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Originally Posted by Arcon

What are you missing? A brain?

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I'm missing someone who can come up with something useful from /rdm or /sch, so far it's dispel (which isnt even useful most of the time) vs stun (which also isnt always useful) +warp2. Looks like /BLM is still winning.

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Originally Posted by Llana_Virren

Which is why /sch is superior, as it saves us those precious inventory slots for potency, not casting time. Then again, saving you one inventory space is apparently more important than saving a mages 10....

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see above comments.

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Originally Posted by wish12oz

... And lol, enfeebling skill? you really think 14 or 15 more enfeebling skill is going to help you land.... what was it WHMs can cast again? Dia2? AWESOME! You know enfeebling skill only helps accuracy, not potency right?

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Glad you're not my WHM, you don't even know what enfeebling spells are.

Nor does 99% of the whms I've seen but I digress. Not that most of them after dia are very relevant or used outside of proc'ing in VW.

Wish12oz needs to stop smoking crack during events if the last post is supposed to be of any merit.

/sch > /blm in most events.

/sch provides faster casting time (which means gear does not need to be devoted to casting speeds, and can focus on potency/efficiency).

/sch increases skills by a helluva lot more than "10 points" with the exception of oh, say Enhancing Magic. But then again, Dark Arts + Drain/Aspir must be behond his understanding. And before you say "why would a WHM need those spells anyway" I say this: do you always have a BLM or RDM/blm around to proc yellow on dark magic?

/sch is the superior subjob for WHM and it will continue to be for some time. Similar to the "NIN is /war only" fallacy, /sch is not the only decent subjob for WHM, but it is arguably the most beneficial in most circumstances.

Learn2play before you spew nonsense. Too many good players have been carrying your dead weight around and letting you think you know what you're talking about.

V/R

White Mages everywhere

The argument of "you can do all of that with gear" also applies in this argument: you don't need a WHM to go /blm for Warp... you can get Warp with gear. (*cough* Warp Cudgel *cough*)

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Originally Posted by Llana_Virren

The argument of "you can do all of that with gear" also applies in this argument

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Except it doesn't apply. You can't cap out Enhancing Magic with just gear.

• C+ Enhancing
  +378
• Light Arts (B+ Enhancing)
  +26 (404)
• Merits
  +16
• Main
  Beneficus - +15, +5 MDB
• Head
  Orison Cap +2 - AF3 Set Bonus
  Zenith Crown +1 - +8
• Neck
  Colossus's Torque - +7 (10)
• Ear
  Augmenting Earring - +3
• Ear
  Aptus Earring - +2
• Body
  Orison Bliaud +2 - +10 MDB, AF3 Set Bonus
  Anhur Robe - +12
• Hands
  Orison Mitts +2 - AF3 Set Bonus
  Ayao's Gages - +10
  Augur's Gloves - +5
• Back
  Merciful Cape - +5
• Waist
  Olympus Sash - +5
• Legs
  Cleric's pantaloons +2 - +18, +25 Barspell Resist
  Orison Pantaloons +2 - AF3 Set Bonus
• Feet
  Orison Duckbills +2 - +20, AF3 set bonus

The first thing I'd like readers to note is that even with a perfect gear set (which isn't easy to get, btw) you'll still be pulling below that magic 500 even if you don't use 4/5 AF3 set bonus for gear (i.e. gimp WHM) if you don't have Light Arts. Basically, you can't do it with gear.

The second thing I'd like to point out is that a perfect barspell set also requires /SCH. Considering that magic defense bonus boosts are a White Mage's trump card over other healers, I'd imagine that you'd want to get as close to a perfect set as possible, and that's only possible with /SCH. I'd say good luck making up 26 points of Enhancing Magic without digging into your MDB and AF3 bonuses but it simply isn't possible.

Not even knowing what is possible while arguing that it is as part of your reasoning certainly lends to the phrase "learn to play" quite well...

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If different play styles weren't right then we probably wouldn't have sub jobs, White Mages would just get Light Arts in the first place and Ninjas would get Sambas in the first place. :p

Also, if anyone is even reading this thread for sub job combos for Ninja anymore, here is a fun one to try out: NIN/PLD. Obviously you'll still be Dual Wielding, and you lose a bit of melee strength compared to NIN/DRK (which is probably the most similar sub combo), but you still get access to Sanguine Blade, and other methods to heal yourself like /DRK, but you get Flash, Auto-Refresh, Resist Sleep, Shell II, and Sentinel, making it a more defensive combination in certain situations, particularly for Stun resistant mobs (or if you're willing to drop your TP to macro in a shield momentarily to bash).

Econ, you misunderstood. I was using wish's own "use your gear for recast timer" argument of saying he could use his gear for warp (via cudgel). He seems convinced that nothing but /blm is useful for WHM; WHM should never use anything other than /blm (because /sch and /rdm only provide additional MP, supposedly); and that equipment will do everything /sch can.

Obviously, for WHMs especially (as I am a devoted WHM), the benefit of /sch reaches beyond what gear alone can provide, and I appreciate that you understand that.

On topic, I've seen a few NIN go /pld for the reasons you've added. Really, sometimes it's beneficial to chose a subjob that doesn't compliment your primary, just to make certain things harder and thereby test your mettle. Otherwise you'll find yourself in the crowd of DDs crying that they keep dying due to paralyze/stun/amnesia (but couldn't be bothered to use screens) or can't hold hate, get the WHM killed, and then complain that they can't heal themselves (no potions, etc).

The tragedy is that MMOs allow bad players to syphon off the good ones, and for idiots to survive by the good graces of exceptional support crews, like the BRDs and RDMs that did 99% of the work on ToAU parties.

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Originally Posted by Llana_Virren

/sch provides faster casting time (which means gear does not need to be devoted to casting speeds, and can focus on potency/efficiency).

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I stopped reading here, you obviously have no idea how to gear swap and it's pointless to continue this discussion.

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Originally Posted by wish12oz

I stopped reading here, you obviously have no idea how to gear swap and it's pointless to continue this discussion.

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Try reading more, even if it hurts your pride. You're only denying yourself an education on how WHM works.

Here's the problem: you have no idea how gear works. When you can only carry 80 items in your inventory, you cannot fit 93 items into your macros. Melee don't have this problem; mages do.

/sch saves me inventory space without sacrificing effectiveness. Just like /blm lets a WHM save -you- inventory space. The only difference is that a WHM/sch saves more inventory spaces than WHM/blm does, which was (one of) your original nitpicks... "precious inventory spaces."

Can mages cap out casting time reductions and recast timers without SCH? Yes. Does /sch allow us to not need the excess equipment required for this to work? Yes.

Learn2read, Learn2mage, or gtfo of FFXI before you hurt yourself.

Does this person even play WHM? They sound like those TV reporters describing what the Internet is.

I don't even know why we debating about WHM on a thead for NIN about support job.

About topic:

I don't think NIN/PLD can be a good option. don't have a lot of MP even with auto-refresh. You do less DMG so mob take longer to kill. If the Cure III make you think it good, I think NIN/DNC will bring more for soloing than NIN/PLD.

With NIN/DNC you can curing waltz (better than cure III), haste or drain samba, stun, reduce defense of mob and even remove status ailment when needed... and you get a bonus to evasion.

NIN/PLD: pro/shell II? Cure III? defense bonus? those aren't usefull on a evasion based job.

NIN/pld was an alternative to the more popular NIN/drk.

I've seen it used on ToAU Kings/HNMs.

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NIN/pld was an alternative to the more popular NIN/drk.

I've seen it used on ToAU Kings/HNMs.

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That was BEFORE WotG expension... that mean before DNC came out.

wait wait wait..... :confused: I thought /dnc wasn't a viable sub selection for cult-ninjas? And you mean to tell me that /dnc hasn't always been in the game? :rolleyes:

Yes /pld and /drk were released before /dnc came out. I don't see what /dnc has to do with people going out /pld or /drk. Perhaps you are thinking people were /pld as a means to solo and heal themselves and thusly made the /dnc correlation. As I said before, /pld was an alternative to /drk. Nin/drk wasn't for soloing, nor /pld; people still used /drk & /pld after the release of /dnc and some still do now.

When will it be realized that the topic is about combinations that aren't for the main stream cookie-cutter cult-ninjas?

Also I feel there has to be some mention of /war just to keep the thread from being over ran with "you are wrong" and "there is only one way" post as such. We have conceded that /war is the best option. However it is not the only sub that people use.

The only reason to ever go /blm is if you are traveling someplace where the mobs are too weak to kill you, and in too big of a rush to stop and get a warp scroll / stick.

I like to go NIN/MNK just for shiggles sometimes. Countering on nin is just plain fun.

Does NIN/PLD actually offer anything worthwhile that you can't get with NIN/WHM now? Slightly higher stats and HP, I suppose.

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I like to go NIN/MNK just for shiggles sometimes. Countering on nin is just plain fun.

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