Incoming BST pet Treasure Hunter Nerf!

what Dan said. However, there've been many announcements of things they were going to do, or "looking in to" or "is being addressed" that simply haven't happened and seem to have been swept under the rug. To that extent Louis has a point. Possible they threw us a bone with the gear announcement... and are just hoping it lasts while they never put it in.

Seriously, when they announced they had no intention to actually fix the TH ability itself I was pretty sure this was another one of their bogus announcements. There are alot of (justifiably) butt-hurt thieves out there angerred that placebo hunter isn't enough to get them parties. Giving us the ability to get back the TH they just took away would just enrage them more.

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Originally Posted by Louispv

They aren't adding any gear. They said straight out, we will not get equal or stronger TH than a /THF. Unless the level cap goes to level 180 anyway, then maybe there will be one piece.

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See that's the thing. They've painted themselves into a corner. They can either break the new Treasure Hunter hierarchy thus rendering the reason for the nerf pointless, or they can keep the hierarchy intact but not add this gear thus breaking their word. Even adding one piece will raise Yuly and Falcorr to /THF level of TH II. That raises them to tier 3 of the hierarchy when they're supposed to remain at tier 4. Someone at SE didn't think this thing through very well, but that's just me being Captain Obvious.

The new TH hierarchy:
1. Thief
2. Ranger
3. Support job thief
4. Other jobs

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Originally Posted by Camiie

See that's the thing. They've painted themselves into a corner. They can either break the new Treasure Hunter hierarchy thus rendering the reason for the nerf pointless, or they can keep the hierarchy intact but not add this gear thus breaking their word. Even adding one piece will raise Yuly and Falcorr to /THF level of TH II. That raises them to tier 3 of the hierarchy when they're supposed to remain at tier 4. Someone at SE didn't think this thing through very well, but that's just me being Captain Obvious.

The new TH hierarchy:
1. Thief
2. Ranger
3. Support job thief
4. Other jobs

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They don't include gear into it, they're strictly talking natural job traits.

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Originally Posted by Daniel_Hatcher

They don't include gear into it, they're strictly talking natural job traits.

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Ah ha. If this is only about natural job traits and doesn't include gear then there was never an issue and the nerf should never have happened. BST doesn't have a natural Treasure Hunter job trait at all. How does it access Treasure Hunter? By using /THF or through the use of jugs. What are jugs? Jugs are gear. Taking gear out of the equation means that BST can never rise above Tier 3 no matter how much Treasure Hunter Yuly and Falcorr have.

Wait....so you are telling me that a job that involves taming/calling forth pets to fight for you and, historically, has nothing to do with finding treasure is getting an ability that it wouldn't naturally have is getting nerfed?!?!?! /sadface4you

I would expect Corsair to get a TH trait way before BST. Be happy you have something that you shouldn't naturally have anyway.

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Originally Posted by Jackastheripper

I would expect Corsair to get a TH trait way before BST. Be happy you have something that you shouldn't naturally have anyway.

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BST doesn't naturally have Treasure Hunter. I just got through saying that. The 2 jug pets do because they are THFs. BST pets, historically, have the traits but not the abilities of the jobs they are. The only ways BST can access TH is by subbing THF or through the use of gear, namely jugs.

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Originally Posted by Camiie

Ah ha. If this is only about natural job traits and doesn't include gear then there was never an issue and the nerf should never have happened. BST doesn't have a natural Treasure Hunter job trait at all. How does it access Treasure Hunter? By using /THF or through the use of jugs. What are jugs? Jugs are gear. Taking gear out of the equation means that BST can never rise above Tier 3 no matter how much Treasure Hunter Yuly and Falcorr have.

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Sigh! Really?

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Originally Posted by Daniel_Hatcher

Sigh! Really?

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Yeah, really. Any other questions?

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Originally Posted by Jackastheripper

Wait....so you are telling me that a job that involves taming/calling forth pets to fight for you and, historically, has nothing to do with finding treasure is getting an ability that it wouldn't naturally have is getting nerfed?!?!?! /sadface4you

I would expect Corsair to get a TH trait way before BST. Be happy you have something that you shouldn't naturally have anyway.

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Eh, for starters it's not us that has a trait, it's our pet. Thf job pet. And if your saying a thf pet shouldn't have TH then you're saying a mnk pet shouldn't have counter, and a war pet shouldn't be able to double attack. Basically in the end you're saying that no pet should be in any way distinguishable from any other beyond their tp moves and mob type. TH, DA, TA, counter, whatever, it all amounts to exactly the same thing regardless of how much more useful one is than the other.

And ok, cor having TH may make sense, but why is a rng allowed to have exclusive rights to the second highest TH tier? That makes no sense from any asthetical point of view, or at the very least, no more sense than bst.

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Originally Posted by Camiie

Yeah, really. Any other questions?

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Nope! You may continue living in that box of yours.

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Originally Posted by Daniel_Hatcher

Nope! You may continue living in that box of yours.

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The box that says the nerf was pointless by SE's own reasoning? That's fine. Maybe I'll cut a window in the side and put in some curtains. It's actually a pretty nice box.

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Originally Posted by Camiie

See that's the thing. They've painted themselves into a corner. They can either break the new Treasure Hunter hierarchy thus rendering the reason for the nerf pointless, or they can keep the hierarchy intact but not add this gear thus breaking their word. Even adding one piece will raise Yuly and Falcorr to /THF level of TH II. That raises them to tier 3 of the hierarchy when they're supposed to remain at tier 4. Someone at SE didn't think this thing through very well, but that's just me being Captain Obvious.

The new TH hierarchy:
1. Thief
2. Ranger
3. Support job thief
4. Other jobs

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The thing is that by using this logic the nerf should never have happened. To get TH a BST calls a THF pet, and as it is a THF it should be at tier 1. Just like when a PUP calls their automaton with a spiritreaver head it is a mini BLM, I do not see people asking for PUP automatons to be nerfed because they can cast tier V nukes.

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Originally Posted by Dethard

The thing is that by using this logic the nerf should never have happened. To get TH a BST calls a THF pet, and as it is a THF it should be at tier 1. Just like when a PUP calls their automaton with a spiritreaver head it is a mini BLM, I do not see people asking for PUP automatons to be nerfed because they can cast tier V nukes.

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I really don't see what one has to do with the other. How is an automaton casting spells at the equivalent of it's level more acceptable than a thf jug having TH also at the equivalent of it's level?

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Originally Posted by Calamity

I really don't see what one has to do with the other. How is an automaton casting spells at the equivalent of it's level more acceptable than a thf jug having TH also at the equivalent of it's level?

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The similarity between them is that when a PUP calls an automaton with the spiritreaver head they expect it to act like a BLM and cast the appropriate spells, same for a BST when they call a THF type pet, they expect it to have THF like traits such as TH and evasion.

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Originally Posted by Dethard

The thing is that by using this logic the nerf should never have happened.

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That's my point in a nutshell.

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To get TH a BST calls a THF pet, and as it is a THF it should be at tier 1. Just like when a PUP calls their automaton with a spiritreaver head it is a mini BLM, I do not see people asking for PUP automatons to be nerfed because they can cast tier V nukes.

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And THFs have access to far more TH than these pets do, so it's not like they're being outdone unless they're running around naked and not using their abilities. If they are then that's their problem, and no reason for any sort of nerf.

And SE wonders why us players have to talk bad about them! SE shows their stupidity time and again when they do this kind of stuff! (I am so trying not to be vulgar) I hate ISPs! (Incredibly stupid people) i.e: SE

So where are the gears that add treasure hunter back to our pets? Where are these!! Ridiculous!!

Those TH gears will probably be added 6 months after we all select a new main job.