More nerfs for War & Ukkos.

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12-22-2011, 02:33 AM
Keinn

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Job Adjustments
http://www.playonline.com/pcd/topics.../7711/7711.jpg

lmao
They are trolling us on purpose, I know it.
12-22-2011, 02:38 AM
Runespider

http://www.playonline.com/pcd/topics.../7711/7711.jpg

They put a cool action shot/proud stance pic of the 2 jobs while nerfing them lol

"We are adjusting your favoured jobs, be excited for the upcoming NERFS!"
12-22-2011, 02:43 AM
Avelonia

A pic of a MNK lying dead on the ground and SAM performing Tachi: Shoha on a WAR would have been more appropriate
12-22-2011, 03:15 AM
Hextitan

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Originally Posted by Finuve

I don't find this to be that big of a deal, however between Konzen-Ittai, Sengikori, Sekkanoki, Hasso, Hagakure, and of course Tachi: Shoha, Samurai was already keeping up with WAR outside abyssea

Uh....no they aren't. Not even remotely close. On higher tier VWNMs WARs can still do 2.5k-3k+ Ukko's pretty much nonstop. Obviously not the 5k+ Ukko's that are common in Abyssea but it's still head and shoulders above a SAM with any WS.

The nerf to Ukko's would have to be significant for SAM to get anywhere near WAR.
12-22-2011, 03:18 AM
Unaisis

TACHI: SHOHA ALL THINGS!!!!!!
12-22-2011, 03:19 AM
Neisan_Quetz

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Originally Posted by Hextitan

Uh....no they aren't. Not even remotely close. On higher tier VWNMs WARs can still do 2.5k-3k+ Ukko's pretty much nonstop. Obviously not the 5k+ Ukko's that are common in Abyssea but it's still head and shoulders above a SAM with any WS.

The nerf to Ukko's would have to be significant for SAM to get anywhere near WAR.

You haven't been paying attention to SE nerfs lately have you?
12-22-2011, 03:21 AM
Theytak

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Originally Posted by Hextitan

Uh....no they aren't. Not even remotely close. On higher tier VWNMs WARs can still do 2.5k-3k+ Ukko's pretty much nonstop. Obviously not the 5k+ Ukko's that are common in Abyssea but it's still head and shoulders above a SAM with any WS.

The nerf to Ukko's would have to be significant for SAM to get anywhere near WAR.

compare sam to any DD that isn't a well geared ukkowar/veremnk, and sam completely destroys them every day of the week and twice on sunday. The fact that well geared ukkowars/veremnks can out pace a well geared fudosam is one of the most surprising developments this game has ever experienced.
12-22-2011, 03:31 AM
scaevola

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Originally Posted by Theytak

compare sam to any DD that isn't a well geared ukkowar/veremnk, and sam completely destroys them every day of the week and twice on sunday. The fact that well geared ukkowars/veremnks can out pace a well geared fudosam is one of the most surprising developments this game has ever experienced.

If Shoha needs to be nerfed, that's a totally separate issue from whether Vsmite and Ukko's need to be nerfed.
12-22-2011, 03:52 AM
Runespider

All I really hope is that this isn't the tip of the iceberg of taking everything we gained back and putting the game back to pre-abyssea.

Everyone was amazed /convert wasn't nerfed, maybe it will be now? Ochain is amazingly overpowered, will it remain so? Haste is easy to cap for almost every job, will they somehow find a way to nerf haste (same for the amount of refresh you can get on a mage). So many things to worry about given the last interview and these latest actions.

Basically the way I look at stuff right now is, if I can't see it being added before Aby can I expect it to be nerfed now? There was a lot of stuff that blew our minds when Aby launched, the bar has been raised way high and I fear them knocking it down quite a few notches again across the board.
12-22-2011, 04:12 AM
Zumi

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Originally Posted by Runespider

All I really hope is that this isn't the tip of the iceberg of taking everything we gained back and putting the game back to pre-abyssea.

Everyone was amazed /convert wasn't nerfed, maybe it will be now? Ochain is amazingly overpowered, will it remain so? Haste is easy to cap for almost every job, will they somehow find a way to nerf haste (same for the amount of refresh you can get on a mage). So many things to worry about given the last interview and these latest actions.

Basically the way I look at stuff right now is, if I can't see it being added before Aby can I expect it to be nerfed now? There was a lot of stuff that blew our minds when Aby launched, the bar has been raised way high and I fear them knocking it down quite a few notches again across the board.

Oh i can see it now.

[dev1066] Job Adjustments: Shields
-The block rate on Ochain and Aegis will be lowered.
12-22-2011, 04:22 AM
Taint2

Click Me

Posted this in the Shoha thread.
12-22-2011, 04:32 AM
Theytak

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Originally Posted by scaevola

If Shoha needs to be nerfed, that's a totally separate issue from whether Vsmite and Ukko's need to be nerfed.

wasn't even talking about shoha. The fact that any DD will generally lose to an evenly geared sam, outside of lolabyssea and ukkowar/veremnk has been pretty much standard since the 2h update. The fact that a sam that's noticeably less well geared can compete with them only adds insult to injury.
12-22-2011, 04:38 AM
Hextitan

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Originally Posted by Neisan_Quetz

You haven't been paying attention to SE nerfs lately have you?

You didn't pay attention to the last line of my post, did you?

They would have to nerf Ukko's above and beyond any WS nerf the game has ever seen, for SAMs to be close to touching it. Which is assuming a lot considering we know nothing about the nerf so far.
12-22-2011, 04:40 AM
Hextitan

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Originally Posted by Theytak

compare sam to any DD that isn't a well geared ukkowar/veremnk, and sam completely destroys them every day of the week and twice on sunday....

Why would we compare them to WAR and MNKs that aren't well geared? So basically you're saying when the odds are tipped in SAM's favor, they outdamage other lesser equipped jobs. Ok....and?
12-22-2011, 04:45 AM
Hextitan

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Originally Posted by Taint2

Click Me

Posted this in the Shoha thread.

I think people missed this post, so I'm going to quote it.

Multiple 5k VS and Ukko's on various high tier VWNMs. If you people think Shoha is close to that, you're insane. Like I said SE would have to completely cripple both WSs for SAM to compete with either.

I understand people are upset with the nerf but throwing SAM under the bus ain't helping anything.
12-22-2011, 04:45 AM
Theytak

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Originally Posted by Hextitan

Why would we compare them to WAR and MNKs that aren't well geared? So basically you're saying when the odds are tipped in SAM's favor, they outdamage other lesser equipped jobs. Ok....and?

.........do you really need me to spell out the rather obvious meaning of my words? I thought it was rather obvious that I meant "any dd and a sam, when equally well geared, outside of ukkowars and vere mnks, will lose". I didn't say compare a perle war to a fudo sam.... I meant like, full AF3+2 war w/o ukko vs AF3+2 mnk w/o vere vs AF3+2 sam w/o fudo (by af3+2 I mean gear quality for someone who has completed abyssea, not some wackadoodle who thinks 5/5 AF3+2 isthe only good TP set), or perle war vs perle sam vs pink mnk, or pimped out 75 gear war vs pimped out 75 gear mnk vs pimped out 75 gear sam

...do I really need to dumb down my posts that much for people to understand them?
12-22-2011, 05:26 AM
Halycon

Complete and utter BS...
12-22-2011, 05:38 AM
Siiri

I agree War and Ukko are overpowered. I also believe Tachi: Shoha and SAM need a reduction.
12-22-2011, 05:48 AM
svengalis

I remember the first time I quit, a big part of it was the rng nerf. I am nin main now so I doubt they will get any nerfs.
12-22-2011, 06:12 AM
Neisan_Quetz

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Originally Posted by Hextitan

You didn't pay attention to the last line of my post, did you?

They would have to nerf Ukko's above and beyond any WS nerf the game has ever seen, for SAMs to be close to touching it. Which is assuming a lot considering we know nothing about the nerf so far.

Yea, and when SE said they were going to reduce restraint and 'take it slow', they halved the cap and slope it increases ws damage.

SE doesn't do slight nerfs.
12-22-2011, 06:33 AM
Zumi

Seriously though all these nerfs are just pissing people off. They are trying so hard to make sure that pre 75 ws and abilities stay top for whatever stupid reason.
12-22-2011, 06:33 AM
scaevola

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Originally Posted by Theytak

wasn't even talking about shoha. The fact that any DD will generally lose to an evenly geared sam, outside of lolabyssea and ukkowar/veremnk has been pretty much standard since the 2h update. The fact that a sam that's noticeably less well geared can compete with them only adds insult to injury.

So, what, exactly? We need to nerf SAM because Camlann's Torment is garbage? Because SAM is really easy to gear? Because Voidwatch lets you use fanatic's drinks and the thing that Ranger is supposed to be really, really good for is rendered pointless?

There's nothing about a Masamune SAM that makes it inherently stronger than a Ryunohige DRG other than the fact that Ryunohige DRGs don't actually exist.
12-22-2011, 06:37 AM
Theytak

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Originally Posted by scaevola

So, what, exactly? We need to nerf SAM because Camlann's Torment is garbage? Because SAM is really easy to gear? Because Voidwatch lets you use fanatic's drinks and the thing that Ranger is supposed to be really, really good for is rendered pointless?

There's nothing about a Masamune SAM that makes it inherently stronger than a Ryunohige DRG other than the fact that Ryunohige DRGs don't actually exist.

I vote for doing something totally out of left field and making brds the new top DD in the game.
12-22-2011, 06:47 AM
Quetzacoatl

Well, My LS is certainly unhappy with what I told them...

Ukko/VS Nerfs

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b2...SWARnerfs1.jpg

Blood Rage nerf

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b2...SWARnerfs2.jpg
12-22-2011, 07:19 AM
Zerich

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Originally Posted by Theytak

I vote for doing something totally out of left field and making brds the new top DD in the game.

seconded12
12-22-2011, 08:07 AM
Seiver

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Originally Posted by Vivik

I'm not even a war and I think that's bullshit. Maybe staging a sit-in and crashing port Jeuno on every server will change their minds. It worked for Eve Online...

i was at the Demo in eve i think this could work
12-22-2011, 10:12 AM
Theytak

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Originally Posted by Seiver

i was at the Demo in eve i think this could work

I was there too, it was obnoxious. I recommend going war/whm, war/brd, or war/cor, partying up, and spamming AoE party buffs.

Also, I love how they moved this thread to the war forum for no real reason, with no explanation. It's like they're saying "stop complaining, we're not listening."
12-22-2011, 10:33 AM
newmonkey

Funny how most of teh community laughed when emypreans overtook relics haha paybacks a bitch isn't it.
12-22-2011, 10:38 AM
Airget

It be nice to see WAR adjustments that actually give us something, SAM has gotten a lot of new WS. It be nice if at least the adjustment would just give us a new JA to play with lol we haven't gotten anything for these last two limit breaks.
12-22-2011, 10:40 AM
LeylaAsura

I have notthing special to add to why it should'nt be nerfed, all i can do is add to the testification PLEASE dont nerf Ukko's SE....that is all */ragequit*
12-22-2011, 10:44 AM
newmonkey

Then rage quit. Once again this is so funny all the whiners crying were was this amazing out cry when relics were laughed at when 85 empyreans were released ? Thats right you guys laughed at relic holders haha.
12-22-2011, 10:48 AM
LeylaAsura

I want SE to read my simple protest end of story. Dont care what u think.
12-22-2011, 10:52 AM
FrankReynolds

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Originally Posted by newmonkey

Then rage quit. Once again this is so funny all the whiners crying were was this amazing out cry when relics were laughed at when 85 empyreans were released ? Thats right you guys laughed at relic holders haha.

I can see you desperately want someone to respond to this comment since you've said it twice. So here you go: Your comment shows a complete lack of effort. If you would like to incite some sort of anger or argument, you will have to try harder. Don't be such a failboat. You can do it. :)
12-22-2011, 10:54 AM
Theytak

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Originally Posted by LeylaAsura

I want SE to read my simple protest end of story. Dont care what u think.

You must be new here. SE doesn't actually read anything on these forums. The awesome translator moogles take all our suggestions, filter out the nonsense, translate them, and hand them off to the devs. Then the devs use the suggestions to make paper swords, with which they have pretend ninja fights. If they pull off an especially awesome trick during these pretend fights, they'll read a suggestion off of their sword and use it as their battle cry.
12-22-2011, 10:56 AM
FrankReynolds

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Originally Posted by Theytak

You must be new here. SE doesn't actually read anything on these forums. The awesome translator moogles take all our suggestions, filter out the nonsense, translate them, and hand them off to the devs. Then the devs use the suggestions to make paper swords, with which they have pretend ninja fights. If they pull off an especially awesome trick during these pretend fights, they'll read a suggestion off of their sword and use it as their battle cry.

probably the most accurate depiction of the process I've seen lately. You and spank must have visitor passes to the SE building.
12-22-2011, 11:02 AM
LeylaAsura

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Originally Posted by Theytak

You must be new here. SE doesn't actually read anything on these forums. The awesome translator moogles take all our suggestions, filter out the nonsense, translate them, and hand them off to the devs. Then the devs use the suggestions to make paper swords, with which they have pretend ninja fights. If they pull off an especially awesome trick during these pretend fights, they'll read a suggestion off of their sword and use it as their battle cry.

lawls why yes i am new ty for the reminder that SE hates us all. I actully was hoping that high amounts of complaints torwards something in the game might sway them to change lol :P Anyways, ive included a pic of something cute:
http://shechive.files.wordpress.com/...pg?w=500&h=375
12-22-2011, 11:05 AM
newmonkey

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

I can see you desperately want someone to respond to this comment since you've said it twice. So here you go: Your comment shows a complete lack of effort. If you would like to incite some sort of anger or argument, you will have to try harder. Don't be such a failboat. You can do it. :)

I've said it twice because it's true.
12-22-2011, 11:10 AM
Theytak

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

probably the most accurate depiction of the process I've seen lately. You and spank must have visitor passes to the SE building.

I'll never admit to the existence of the secret clubhouse where spank and I hang out with sage sundi, telling fart jokes, having paperswordninja battles, raising a pet armadillo, and sing journey, queen, and weird al karaoke. Such a thing does not exist.
12-22-2011, 11:16 AM
Arcon

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

Don't be such a failboat. You can do it. :)

I honestly doubt he can.
12-22-2011, 11:18 AM
Shotaro1

I still wanna know, finish my Ukkon? Or move on to my Cor's Armageddon? Is it still worth getting? I know we havent seen any tests, and this is all just on paper. But I dont wanna keep busting my ass dual boxing for this weapon, when the WS turns out to be the same dmg as Ragin Rush or something lol

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