Haste and You... A guide to the misinformed.

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Originally Posted by Cream_Soda

What does gear swapping have to do with your mage's ability to cure you?

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Are you serious with me? Not everybody plays on PC with windower with Blink Me Not. Why don't you play on whm without Blink Me Not and try curing or casting other spells on somebody who constantly gear swaps in a fight. Then get back with me.

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Originally Posted by Naturebeckles

Are you serious with me? Not everybody plays on PC with windower with Blink Me Not. Why don't you play on whm without Blink Me Not and try curing or casting other spells on somebody who constantly gear swaps in a fight. Then get back with me.

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I play with out blinkmenot. It's called <stpt> YAY

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Originally Posted by Ciecle

obvious troll is obvious.

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Especially trolls who change an entire quote. I hope the mods see it. Very funny.

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Originally Posted by Cream_Soda

:/ first Dubberrucky and now this, lol. Bask in the glory of Sylph. I should consider myself lucky to be there, no?

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If you don't know anyone who still pulls that crap, definitely. The only mages I regularly do things with are better than that, but I definitely still hear it all the time from mages I know to be bad, in shout, or if I'm doing anything to help a friend of mine and his/her lowbie shell.

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Especially trolls who change an entire quote. I hope the mods see it. Very funny.

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Isn't it? i mean that was the jist of your posts thus far. take it for what you will, You're being irrational and very aggressive. It was ment to be funny. If you don't like trolls, take your trolling elsewhere.

Healers who can't cure you just suck.

There is no excuse to not swap gear. If you do not swap gear, you are a bad player. If you are content with being bad, that's fine - we are simply saying you are bad as in below satisfactory in a focused group. Not everybody plays to be the best and I can accept this, but don't bring up not changing gear as if it's an alternative. It is the WRONG way to do things.

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Originally Posted by Naturebeckles

Are you serious with me? Not everybody plays on PC with windower with Blink Me Not. Why don't you play on whm without Blink Me Not and try curing or casting other spells on somebody who constantly gear swaps in a fight. Then get back with me.

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You don't need a windower, PC, nor blinkmenot.

It's called
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<stal>

You pick your target from the party list, not by targeting their character. It makes no difference how many times they blink, it has 0 effect on the mage's ability to cast on that person.

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Originally Posted by Naturebeckles

Are you serious with me? Not everybody plays on PC with windower with Blink Me Not. Why don't you play on whm without Blink Me Not and try curing or casting other spells on somebody who constantly gear swaps in a fight. Then get back with me.

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I'll say it again since my post was on the last page (at least with my settings).

I play WHM without blinkmenot. I don't have any problems. Apparently you've only played with bad WHMs on your bad THF (not a surprise). Blinking, however, is not an excuse for intentionally gimping yourself.

My reaction to Nature:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-5m6INcPP4

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Originally Posted by Naturebeckles

Are you serious with me? Not everybody plays on PC with windower with Blink Me Not. Why don't you play on whm without Blink Me Not and try curing or casting other spells on somebody who constantly gear swaps in a fight. Then get back with me.

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You don't need blinkmenot. <stpt>. <stal>. f1-f6 faster. It's very easy to manage if a mage cares at all.

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Originally Posted by Naturebeckles

Are you serious with me? Not everybody plays on PC with windower with Blink Me Not. Why don't you play on whm without Blink Me Not and try curing or casting other spells on somebody who constantly gear swaps in a fight. Then get back with me.

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Just fyi, <stpt> and <stal> will allow you to target a blinking christmas tree, without any problems, even without blinkmenot.

Well, so happy I'm in such good company with a crap load of such high quality players that are just so perfect in every way that they never have any problem curing anybody in this game without enhancements. I bow down to all of you and will immediately go buy and obtain all the haste gear I can so I can be just like all of you.

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Originally Posted by Naturebeckles

Well, so happy I'm in such good company with a crap load of such high quality players that are just so perfect in every way that they never have any problem curing anybody in this game without enhancements. I bow down to all of you and will immediately go buy and obtain all the haste gear I can so I can be just like all of you.

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You don't need to be a good player to use <stpt> macros.

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Originally Posted by rog

Just fyi, <stpt> and <stal> will allow you to target a blinking christmas tree, without any problems, even without blinkmenot.

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I've never seen <stal>, so i'm going to have to try that and see how it works. And I'm serious about that since you're the only person who hasn't talked to me like I'm a complete idiot.

If the net result of this is that you do start using Haste then we've been productive here today.

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Originally Posted by Naturebeckles

Well, so happy I'm in such good company with a crap load of such high quality players that are just so perfect in every way that they never have any problem curing anybody in this game without enhancements. I bow down to all of you and will immediately go buy and obtain all the haste gear I can so I can be just like all of you.

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And so, the troll has thus been defeated! WAIT WHAT'S THIS HE HAD AUTO-RERAISE?!!? NOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

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Originally Posted by Naturebeckles

Well, so happy I'm in such good company with a crap load of such high quality players that are just so perfect in every way that they never have any problem curing anybody in this game without enhancements. I bow down to all of you and will immediately go buy and obtain all the haste gear I can so I can be just like all of you.

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Mission accomplished. As soon as the servers are back up, get to it.

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Originally Posted by Naturebeckles

I've never seen <stal>, so i'm going to have to try that and see how it works. And I'm serious about that since you're the only person who hasn't talked to me like I'm a complete idiot.

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At least not in this thread.

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Originally Posted by Naturebeckles

Well, so happy I'm in such good company with a crap load of such high quality players that are just so perfect in every way that they never have any problem curing anybody in this game without enhancements. I bow down to all of you and will immediately go buy and obtain all the haste gear I can so I can be just like all of you.

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<stal> doesn't take skill. But in light of learning about it, are you genuinely going to change your playstyle or become ignorant? I can accept a player who doesn't know any better, but I won't take any sympathy towards the one that does and refuses to admit they're wrong.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

You don't need blinkmenot. <stpt>. <stal>. f1-f6 faster. It's very easy to manage if a mage cares at all.

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|True Strike|

I make the cure call with the select tag first, then swap in the key cure potency pieces (Aqua ammo thing, lore slops, etc if they are available for the job) on even SMN, DRG, or BST ffs. It's not rocket science to do it right.

Raist

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Originally Posted by Naturebeckles

I've never seen <stal>, so i'm going to have to try that and see how it works. And I'm serious about that since you're the only person who hasn't talked to me like I'm a complete idiot.

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<stpt> will create a blue arrow on your party list, allowing you to choose members for the target of a spell by scrolling up and down the party list itself with the arrow keys, starting at the person whom you were originally targetting.

<stal> is the same thing, but allows the arrow to move up and down into the entire Alliance list rather than being confined to your party.

Neither of these are affected by blinking, because you are not targeting a player. You are targeting their name on your party list. They were added in a patch a few years ago, and I've recommended them to every mage I've met since then. Unfortunately, most people are just too lazy to switch, and that does make them bad mages.

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Originally Posted by rog

At least not in this thread.

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Well, right. That's what I meant.

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Originally Posted by Naturebeckles

I've never seen <stal>, so i'm going to have to try that and see how it works. And I'm serious about that since you're the only person who hasn't talked to me like I'm a complete idiot.

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yes you have

I've mentioned it more than once prior to his post and other people have mentioned it as well.

Unless you're just a huge selective reader.

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Originally Posted by Cream_Soda

Unless you're just a huge selective reader.

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That would seem to be the case.

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Well, right. That's what I meant.

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It's ok, because i was definitely thinking it when i made the post.

I'm normally not an ass to people but when someone takes their time to write up a guide about the most important melee stat in the game, clearing its misconceptions and clearly explaining its use to players who perhaps were not convinced before and then you come in with the whole "you don't need haste, hitting harder > hitting faster, opinions > facts" view, I have to say something.

This is a guide thread - an informative thread. Everybody decides at what level they want to play (for instance, I don't play WAR even though it's technically the strongest DD - but I don't go around telling everybody that WAR being strong is just an opinion). If you don't want to swap gear, that's entirely up to you. If you never want to weaponskill, that's entirely up to you. Just don't advocate such styles of play in an informative thread.

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Originally Posted by Alkalinehoe

<stal> doesn't take skill. But in light of learning about it, are you genuinely going to change your playstyle or become ignorant? I can accept a player who doesn't know any better, but I won't take any sympathy towards the one that does and refuses to admit they're wrong.

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I'm not really sure what I'm wrong about. Choosing to not gear swap is my own personal game choice. It doesn't even make me a bad player. And it's not like I don't wear any haste at all. I just balance it out with other gear that has strong stats in other things so I don't have to gear swap. Some of you totally missed my sarcasm earlier, which made me bust out laughing. So, it's whatever I guess.

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Originally Posted by Cream_Soda

yes you have

I've mentioned it more than once prior to his post and other people have mentioned it as well.

Unless you're just a huge selective reader.

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I meant before this thread and I largely ignore you because just like to hear yourself talk.

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Choosing to not gear swap is my own personal game choice. It doesn't even make me a bad player.

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I'm afraid it does, actually.

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Originally Posted by Naturebeckles

I'm not really sure what I'm wrong about. Choosing to not gear swap is my own personal game choice. It doesn't even make me a bad player. And it's not like I don't wear any haste at all. I just balance it out with other gear that has strong stats in other things so I don't have to gear swap. Some of you totally missed my sarcasm earlier, which made me bust out laughing. So, it's whatever I guess.

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It really does.

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Originally Posted by Naturebeckles

I'm not really sure what I'm wrong about. Choosing to not gear swap is my own personal game choice. It doesn't even make me a bad player. And it's not like I don't wear any haste at all. I just balance it out with other gear that has strong stats in other things so I don't have to gear swap. Some of you totally missed my sarcasm earlier, which made me bust out laughing. So, it's whatever I guess.

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Well, you're kinda right.

"bad" is subjective. So to you, you may not be a bad player.

To the majority, however, you're not going to find agreeing opinions.

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Originally Posted by RaenRyong

I'm normally not an ass to people but when someone takes their time to write up a guide about the most important melee stat in the game, clearing its misconceptions and clearly explaining its use to players who perhaps were not convinced before and then you come in with the whole "you don't need haste, hitting harder > hitting faster, opinions > facts" view, I have to say something.

This is a guide thread - an informative thread. Everybody decides at what level they want to play (for instance, I don't play WAR even though it's technically the strongest DD - but I don't go around telling everybody that WAR being strong is just an opinion). If you don't want to swap gear, that's entirely up to you. If you never want to weaponskill, that's entirely up to you. Just don't advocate such styles of play in an informative thread.

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Why not? Why can't I advocate other styles of play in an informative thread? This all started because the original poster said I was naive. I wouldn't be partially trolling/defending my style of game play otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Naturebeckles

I'm not really sure what I'm wrong about. Choosing to not gear swap is my own personal game choice. It doesn't even make me a bad player. And it's not like I don't wear any haste at all. I just balance it out with other gear that has strong stats in other things so I don't have to gear swap. Some of you totally missed my sarcasm earlier, which made me bust out laughing. So, it's whatever I guess.

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It does, in fact make you a bad player to advocate a play style that is not efficient. Especially in a thread about a play style that is.

Also, I don't think it was us that missed the sarcasm.

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Originally Posted by Alkalinehoe

It really does.

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No, it doesn't. I may not be the absolute best player in the game, but I'm not a bad player. At all. None of you on this thread even play with me on the game to even make that call. So all of you who say I'm a bad player just because I'm not a haste whore can take a flying leap off a short pier for all I care.

Every single player across every single server who swaps gear has a decent chance of being a better DD so it depends how you define bad.

I've been a main tank in many incarnations throughout my time playing the game and while being the focus of healer attention have gear swapped extensively. I have never to my recollection died as a result. I've lost a handful of hastes and a handful of cures but that's about it - I've never died from it (again to my recollection) and it improved my efficiency tremendously.

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Originally Posted by Naturebeckles

No, it doesn't. I may not be the absolute best player in the game, but I'm not a bad player. At all. None of you on this thread even play with me on the game to even make that call. So all of you who say I'm a bad player just because I'm not a haste whore can take a flying leap off a short pier for all I care.

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We'd be able to leap off the pier faster than you. We have haste.

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Originally Posted by Naturebeckles

Why not? Why can't I advocate other styles of play in an informative thread? This all started because the original poster said I was naive. I wouldn't be partially trolling/defending my style of game play otherwise.

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Because your "style" of play is intentionally gimp. it does not even attempt to perform at an acceptable standard.

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Originally Posted by Naturebeckles

No, it doesn't. I may not be the absolute best player in the game, but I'm not a bad player. At all. None of you on this thread even play with me on the game to even make that call. So all of you who say I'm a bad player just because I'm not a haste whore can take a flying leap off a short pier for all I care.

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If you're not gear swapping, then you're going to be miles behind someone who does and that makes a bad player.

:( I feel sorry for the OP. The thread is dedicated to the thread's biggest critic. It even has their name right there in the title.

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Originally Posted by Cream_Soda

Well, you're kinda right.

"bad" is subjective. So to you, you may not be a bad player.

To the majority, however, you're not going to find agreeing opinions.

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Exactly... not going to find agreeing opinions. And equally, several of you saying I'm a bad player is also subjective and I might add BASELESS since nobody on this thread so far plays with me to have any observations to back up that opinion.

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Originally Posted by Naturebeckles

No, it doesn't. I may not be the absolute best player in the game, but I'm not a bad player.

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You can't possibly be doing more than 1/4th the damage of a decent dd based on what i've read so far. Personally i would define that as bad.