[Suggestion] Ability to change race.

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Originally Posted by eddy2910

Hello i am posting this because of people who keep posting to make new char if i want different stats and wanting them to know that if only its that easy ive been playing for almost 8 years and ive chosen to be a tarutaru since then and wanted to be main whm and ive learned that whm is EXTREMELY boring and cant stand the job so i leveled other jobs mainly PLD and started to work on a Aegis and just finished it couple days ago now your telling me because i want to be hume with little more HP and more Def to be main pld am have to start new char start to work on new shield to enjoy the job am on i just hope this thread will be read by someone who can put race change and you dont need to make it every 3 months week or day a 1 time thing will work for the best for mistake in race while u first started the game.

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Racial stat differences other than HP are virtually insignificant. You can be a main WAR on a tarutaru if you want, and your damage isn't going to be much different. I'm a Galka and one of my main jobs has been SMN for 8 years, and I always did and still have more MP than I know what to do with, even though Galka has the lowest MP of all the races.

You shouldn't have picked your race for the stats, you should have picked it because that's the race you wanted. I know plenty of good Taru PLDs too, you do not need to race change or start over.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Racial stat differences other than HP are virtually insignificant. You can be a main WAR on a tarutaru if you want, and your damage isn't going to be much different. I'm a Galka and one of my main jobs has been SMN for 8 years, and I always did and still have more MP than I know what to do with, even though Galka has the lowest MP of all the races.

You shouldn't have picked your race for the stats, you should have picked it because that's the race you wanted. I know plenty of good Taru PLDs too, you do not need to race change or start over.

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You like being big and fury. He likes having the best stats possible. Both are legitimate reasons to pick a race, and both should be changeable.

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

You like being big and fury. He likes having the best stats possible. Both are legitimate reasons to pick a race, and both should be changeable.

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You can have the best stats possible on any race. I just got done explaining that the difference between the races in performance is very small.

Races should not be changeable, ever. You should put more thought into your choice and know better than to pick based on a class you haven't even played yet and dont know what its like. (And anybody could have told you before starting playing that WHM was boring lol)

The only exception I would ever stand for is if a new race was added- but that's not ever going to happen, nor is convincing SE of the need for this, since they've already shot it down on technical grounds.

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You like being big and fury.

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Actually, I wanted to be a paladin when I started. But then on my first party in the dunes, I saw a sumomner running around with an avatar out and I was like "shit, I want that!" I didn't even consider changing races- I just went ahead and played the job anyway and fought the resulting uphill battle from playerbase misconceptions.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Racial stat differences other than HP are virtually insignificant. You can be a main WAR on a tarutaru if you want, and your damage isn't going to be much different. I'm a Galka and one of my main jobs has been SMN for 8 years, and I always did and still have more MP than I know what to do with, even though Galka has the lowest MP of all the races.

You shouldn't have picked your race for the stats, you should have picked it because that's the race you wanted. I know plenty of good Taru PLDs too, you do not need to race change or start over.

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This is very true. Stats aren't the most significant between races. My Elvaan Black Mage was relatively okay compared to my Tarutaru Black Mage (at 75). There were lots of Tarus I would beat at damage. And my Elvaan Summoner never had a problem with running out of MP (if I was soloing).

That said, not everyone wants a race change for stat change. I didn't. Inches didn't. We wanted different character models (that everyone else could see too) for reasons that weren't related to game mechanics. I couldn't stand playing a female Elvaan and being called a chick all the time because of it. Unfortunately I still get that on my taru but now I can tell them to shut up because I have a boy taru, making it their fault for not seeing that. And Inches wanted to see his character grow up.

Whatever the reason, people should be allowed to get race changes. If stats are so insignificant, then there's no reason why people shouldn't be allowed to swap if they so choose. I especially support it for the fun factor. (Starting over is definitely not fun, but doable if a person is desperate enough.)

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

(And anybody could have told you before starting playing that WHM was boring lol)

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I take offense to this. :(

Playing a White Mage isn't boring if you take your role as a Cleric rather then a second class buff bot. Part of being a Cleric means that you have to have a hammer ready for some blunt force trauma justice if you don't like the way things turn out, or even bust out the Holy laser on occasion to turn the tide (I've won big fights when things have gone very bad by a well placed Holy). Part of being a Cleric is having people who understand that everyone is playing to have fun and that putting people you play with in a position where they have no fun and everyone else does is a good way to lose them or end up with them changing to play an easier class.

Granted, the job isn't for everyone, but part of the issue is a playerbase that tends to take a dump on anything they view as support.

oh, playing it like a D&D cleric is fun. Playing WHM the way people want you to is boring.

Anyway... It's my humble opinion that things like your name and race are and should be weighty decisions that you need to think about before going with. Making changes acccessible will cause people to be more cavalier about their selections and in the case of names, will result in an increase in silly names like Peenerweener and such, knowing that they can change it later..

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

oh, playing it like a D&D cleric is fun. Playing WHM the way people want you to is boring.

Anyway... It's my humble opinion that things like your name and race are and should be weighty decisions that you need to think about before going with. Making changes acccessible will cause people to be more cavalier about their selections and in the case of names, will result in an increase in silly names like Peenerweener and such, knowing that they can change it later..

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It's a video game. The first thing you do when you pop in the disc shouldn't be to make "a weighty decision" that will affect your enjoyment for years to come. People at work won't forget your name if you change from manthra to hume. The only reason that selecting race requires any thought beyond what tickles our fancy at the moment is because they won't let you change it. Artificial importance. I'm sorry, but getting a new character up to snuff takes months even at today's exp rates. Changing your character from midget to fury cat guy shouldn't take that long, and people are already naming characters all sorts of stupid and offensive things (not that this thread is really about name changing).

also WoW has race change why not this game

I'd like to here some more input into this suggestion.

I don't see why this is would be such a problem if it was implemented. There are players in the game who have played for years and years, achieved so much who don't want to start again. As the game has progressed, jobs have became avaliable and have changed dramatically over time, which has caught players eyes.

The ability to allow a player to change there race one every X months or just once (like the 1 time recovery system we have), would mean players can enjoy the game more.

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It's a video game. The first thing you do when you pop in the disc shouldn't be to make "a weighty decision" that will affect your enjoyment for years to come.

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Except, that's exactly what you're doing. If you don't like it, then don't play the game.

As far as I know, no other FF game lets you change your name after the fact (Final Fantasy Legend doesn't count). Why should this one be any different?

And this isn't WoW, so stop using WoW as a justification. Apples and Oranges.

There is no good reason to change your name that either couldn't have been prevented by simply making a smart choice form the start, or doesn't involve getting out of a bad reputation.

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The only reason that selecting race requires any thought beyond what tickles our fancy at the moment is because they won't let you change it.

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This is a good thing. It should not be "what tickles your fancy in the moment," it should be what you REALLY want it to be, and it should be chosen with the full understanding that you can't change it later.

Making people think about their names reduces the number of immature, stupid names and prevents people from abusing a name change to escape a bad rap.

Ok al...
stop taking the game super seriously. Like jeezum... I just facepalmed every rude reply you written out.
Most mmo allow a race/ look change. And those actually net money for the game which is a good thing for developement, may bring in players, and help the longevity of the current players.
It beats what I do which is start from scratch the second I get bored.

I restarted this game over 70 times. And no this isn't a lie I counted out my characters last i reactivated one. try doing chocobo quest 30 times, try being maat over 100 times, try having to re earn fame for every nation to do gobby bag quests over 40 times. It gets old fast. Its almost mind numbing. I know most every story line for this game cuz I've done it so many times. Just because i get bored of my characters look/ name.

Its a video game, meant for fun of the user not a contract with saten that you need to seriously think about.

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Originally Posted by Rosina

Ok al...
stop taking the game super seriously. Like jeezum... I just facepalmed every rude reply you written out.
Most mmo allow a race/ look change. And those actually net money for the game which is a good thing for developement, may bring in players, and help the longevity of the current players.
It beats what I do which is start from scratch the second I get bored.

I restarted this game over 70 times. And no this isn't a lie I counted out my characters last i reactivated one. try doing chocobo quest 30 times, try being maat over 100 times, try having to re earn fame for every nation to do gobby bag quests over 40 times. It gets old fast. Its almost mind numbing. I know most every story line for this game cuz I've done it so many times. Just because i get bored of my characters look/ name.

Its a video game, meant for fun of the user not a contract with saten that you need to seriously think about.

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I couldn't agree with this any more than I already do.

I've probably only started the game again 3 times however I've made multiple new characters and just messed around on them because I was bored of playing as a Hume. It becomes very annoying doing the same missions, quests, job unlocking, limit breaks ect.

Like Rosina stated, It's a game and shouldn't be taken so seriously, games are meant to be fun and enjoyable. After X amount of years, seeing the same old character, with the same old hair because very boring and is a turn off in some cases. I know I don't want to play the game as much because I'm sick of being a Hume player.

Funny story... in the country I live in people put serious thought into what they name their kids because they think it is a very important part of the child's life, a good way to reflect the feelings that they felt bringing the child into the world, a way to pass down family traditions and a way to reflect the love they feel for that child that will be repeated to him / her every day...


But then later if they change their mind, they can change it.

I see where people are going with this though. Keeping my mule named audreyhollander from changing her name is far too important. I really should have thought that out. I mean this is a video game. Not some trivial matter like a child.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Except, that's exactly what you're doing. If you don't like it, then don't play the game.

As far as I know, no other FF game lets you change your name after the fact (Final Fantasy Legend doesn't count). Why should this one be any different?

And this isn't WoW, so stop using WoW as a justification. Apples and Oranges.

There is no good reason to change your name that either couldn't have been prevented by simply making a smart choice form the start, or doesn't involve getting out of a bad reputation.

This is a good thing. It should not be "what tickles your fancy in the moment," it should be what you REALLY want it to be, and it should be chosen with the full understanding that you can't change it later.

Making people think about their names reduces the number of immature, stupid names and prevents people from abusing a name change to escape a bad rap.

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You really have to ignore his posts. He does this in every thread about this becasue he has a buzzing, super sized bee up his rear.

Why, oh why, oh why, do people make time and effort to post on something that has NOTHING to do with them? Why do people care what color my toilet paper is, what time I eat dinner, whether I put ice in my glass before or after I add the drink, or what race I change my character too?

Answer: no one knows. Go somewhere else and spend your time on more stuff that does not affect or concern you.

So ignore him, and ignore Brolic who also likes to troll and stink up these threads.


I want to have the option of a race change.

1) It can be done on the phone or with a notary with SE to insure it's me (the account owner)
2) I will pay an extra fee
3) It's doable...I've already posted that these changes already exist in the code
4) It can be a one-time only change
5) It can be restricted so you can't have a server change or name change for 6 months before or after, if that makes people happy
6) it can be done only if you have a token if that makes people happy
7) It can be done only if you have had the character for 1 year, or 2 years, or 3 years, if that makes people happy
8) It can be done only if all your jobs are 99, if that makes people happy.
9) I will gladly drop all my race specific and sex specific gear before the change if that makes people happy.
10) I will gladly have all my race specific quests and missions reset if that makes people happy.

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Originally Posted by DrStrangelove

You really have to ignore his posts. He does this in every thread about this becasue he has a buzzing, super sized bee up his rear.

Why, oh why, oh why, do people make time and effort to post on something that has NOTHING to do with them? Why do people care what color my toilet paper is, what time I eat dinner, whether I put ice in my glass before or after I add the drink, or what race I change my character too?

Answer: no one knows. Go somewhere else and spend your time on more stuff that does not affect or concern you.

So ignore him, and ignore Brolic who also likes to troll and stink up these threads.


I want to have the option of a race change.

1) It can be done on the phone or with a notary with SE to insure it's me (the account owner)
2) I will pay an extra fee
3) It's doable...I've already posted that these changes already exist in the code
4) It can be a one-time only change
5) It can be restricted so you can't have a server change or name change for 6 months before or after, if that makes people happy
6) it can be done only if you have a token if that makes people happy
7) It can be done only if you have had the character for 1 year, or 2 years, or 3 years, if that makes people happy
8) It can be done only if all your jobs are 99, if that makes people happy.
9) I will gladly drop all my race specific and sex specific gear before the change if that makes people happy.
10) I will gladly have all my race specific quests and missions reset if that makes people happy.

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Thank you, I couldn't of put that into better context.

people that shoot down ideas just because another MMO has them are just trolls that need to get a life, just because WoW has it does not make it a bad idea nor does it make it kiddish, look at how many great games steal ideas from eachother, it doesn't make them any less great and besides, if it would bring in more players then its a good idea, stop trolling threads because you think anything WoW has in it that could be added would ruin FFXI, it wouldn't, grow up, get over it

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Originally Posted by wildsprite

people that shoot down ideas just because another MMO has them are just trolls that need to get a life, just because WoW has it does not make it a bad idea nor does it make it kiddish, look at how many great games steal ideas from eachother, it doesn't make them any less great and besides, if it would bring in more players then its a good idea, stop trolling threads because you think anything WoW has in it that could be added would ruin FFXI, it wouldn't, grow up, get over it

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Thank you!

I believe that this would benefit a lot of players who are currently playing the game. I know many players who started off as a WHM only, so they decided to make there character a TaruTaru. As the game progressed, new jobs were released, next expansions ect, you'll understand why many players would love to change there race.

It's a possibility it could be done - but you also have to take into consideration some gear is sex exclusive , prime example for this would be Dancer AF. Slight pain in the ass to change coding because people are bored of their race/sex - I think I'd be happier with a boutique type system where you can personalise your character like most of the free to play mmo do. I can't see a race change feature happening in near future. But Squeenix are full of surprises so who knows...

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Originally Posted by Lollerblades

It's a possibility it could be done - but you also have to take into consideration some gear is sex exclusive , prime example for this would be Dancer AF. Slight pain in the ass to change coding because people are bored of their race/sex - I think I'd be happier with a boutique type system where you can personalise your character like most of the free to play mmo do. I can't see a race change feature happening in near future. But Squeenix are full of surprises so who knows...

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Changing races comes with consequences when it comes down to RSE gear. If you want to change your race because your not enjoying the game or simple made a mistake, then you'll have to deal with the fact certain gear you can obtain once you race change, will be rendered useless.

If you want race change for the looks, there's 3rd party tools for that.
If you want it for the stats, it costs $1/€1 and some time doing GoV/Abyssea.

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Originally Posted by eddy2910

also WoW has race change why not this game

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WoW doesn't have class change, this game has.

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Originally Posted by Kristal

If you want race change for the looks, there's 3rd party tools for that.
If you want it for the stats, it costs $1/€1 and some time doing GoV/Abyssea.



WoW doesn't have class change, this game has.

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Third party tools will get you banned.

If you really thing the game is all about doing some GoV/Abyssea, then you need to actually experience the game. There's other content out there other than Abyssea, some people have seem to forgotten that.

I can only speak for myself, but if I wanted to do a race change I'd be fine with a sizable fee and having to re-obtain RSE type gear if needed.

I can see the issue people have with name changes, but I haven't the foggiest idea why any of you care what race/face/size my or anyone's character is other than your own. Are you afraid that race changes will be mandated by your LS leaders for min/max purposes? If so, that's an LS problem not an SE problem.

Plus stuff like this gives the game money. WoW lets you race change for a fee and you must pick a race with your class unless you start over. But in WoW it is easier to reroll then it is on ffxi. Fame in WoW is way easier to get then in ffxi. Hate to say it, part of WoWs popularity is from the merchandice they produce. Like stuff SE did but more. Like buy a plushi (so wanted one might i add) you get an ingame pet. They also sell mounts and various pets for ingame. Server transfers, have promotions for accounts like their new one on giving you an 80 (which is smart in a sence since death knight requires a 55+ character to make one) plus race change. This ontop of sub fee from its 11mil playerbase.

If SE did this for ffxi and ffxiv it could bring them money to do bigger updates or even add more expaxs and if they promote it right could get ppl to come back or join the game. Pretty much like the token gives you a free thing of inventory. Or the tidal necklace giving you the tidal body peice.

Changing one's race obviously would be rather difficult to do so that it would make any sense, but on a similar thought I have suggested somewhere before that there could be either more hair-styles and/or just the option to change them via a quest like 'Brygid the Stylist Burns' or something.

Completely 're-rolling' a character, while a understandable want, I have a hard time seeing it would ever happen. Personally, if I wanted a new character, I would do just that, create a new character. Obviously it would have zarrro quests done and all that, but that's part of the fun, it is a new character after all.

I don't remember what they decided on about characters in XIV after the 2.0 comes out. I do remember reading about it, and if I remember right, they had not decided yet if completely changing races would be allowed or not so even if nearly completely re-making a game might not involve such a feature, I don't see how this would.

Granted, it's a different game and so on, but even without that comparison, I have a hard time seeing this ever happening. Name changes, or even sex changes are not unusual, and in the end, it is a game, so it doesn't really have to make sense when it comes to money, which they would be making more for XIV ~cough~ I mean, for the good of XI, if they did implement at least one of these services (change of name, sex, race, et cetera).

So to put it more clearly, I would likely never use any of these, but I wouldn't be against it, either. Sure, it would not make sense, but if they would make players happy, goferit, I wouldn't really care...

On another note, no, third party applications, or 'cheats', should never be something required for a game, be it to enhance the experience or to gain unfair advantages and blah-blah but that's another story, for another place and time, or is it. ^^;


Blubb.

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Originally Posted by Kristal

If you want race change for the looks, there's 3rd party tools for that.
If you want it for the stats, it costs $1/€1 and some time doing GoV/Abyssea.



WoW doesn't have class change, this game has.

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LOL your okay with people changing race by using third party tools, as long as you don't have to see it... What's the logic behind that (if there is any)?

They already have this feature, it's called "Create a New Character".

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Originally Posted by Zerich

They already have this feature, it's called "Create a New Character".

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Creating a new character doesn't keep all the progress from your old character which is what people would want.

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Originally Posted by Dragoy

Changing one's race obviously would be rather difficult to do so that it would make any sense, but on a similar thought I have suggested somewhere before that there could be either more hair-styles and/or just the option to change them via a quest like 'Brygid the Stylist Burns' or something.

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Not every feature they offer has to make sense within or tie into the game world. It is still a game after all, and I can think of several aspects of the game that already don't make sense within the game world.

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Completely 're-rolling' a character, while a understandable want, I have a hard time seeing it would ever happen. Personally, if I wanted a new character, I would do just that, create a new character. Obviously it would have zarrro quests done and all that, but that's part of the fun, it is a new character after all.

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People who say "just reroll" are just trolling. That's not a serious response at all. The only valid argument I can see against adding race changes is that it would cut into dev time that's already at a premium since they're so undermanned. That's more than likely the deal breaker right there, and that's fine though disappointing. As far as other reasons people have given, I'm gonna need a lot more reasoning to even begin to get behind those.


Like I said, name changes I can see an issue with. People could, at least to an extent, hide from their reputations. Of course, name changes could be handled under a separate process or not offered at all.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

Creating a new character doesn't keep all the progress from your old character which is what people would want.

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<I'm sorry> <That's too bad.>

Could offer a one time onl name change, like the ability to retrieve an item that was lost once in the game. As for race change, whats so bad about it being like the transfer service and have a fee attached, after all this is a business right?

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Originally Posted by Concerned4FFxi

Could offer a one time onl name change, like the ability to retrieve an item that was lost once in the game. As for race change, whats so bad about it being like the transfer service and have a fee attached, after all this is a business right?

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My point exactly.

It's not like you'll be able to change your race every time you wake up or every time you change job. "I'm going PLD to event, better become a Galka". It's more of a X amount of months or a 1-time chance.

I honestly don't see why people have a problem with others changing race, when it doesn't affect you in any way.

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Originally Posted by Disguise

I don't see why they wouldn't allow this to happen, I don't see the big deal with people allowed to change there race every few months.

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If they won't even allow same sex marriages in FFXI then they certainly aren't going to allow transsexual mithras and galkas.

In the most recent(February 2011 via twitter) response from SE about Race/gender changes That i could find:

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We’d like to introduce a few ideas that we dismissed. Sadly, items that change race/gender are not possible due to equipment issues. #FFXI

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SE said they couldn't change Race/Gender, it was said in specific response to the request of the player base to have an ingame item that could change race/geneder as the Rank 1 Reward to the Mog Bonanza.

This response was only to an In-game item, NOT a system similar to a server transfer. So perhaps there is still hope.
I doubt we'll get a response on the subject without a 50 page thread like the 99 empy/relics thread or the Neo-Nyzul thread.

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Originally Posted by Atomic_Skull

If they won't even allow same sex marriages in FFXI then they certainly aren't going to allow transsexual mithras and galkas.

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Then they should probably force us all to play characters of our real life gender.

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Originally Posted by Camiie

Then they should probably force us all to play characters of our real life gender.

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Your character isn't you, it's your character.

I get that some bro at SE has said "No." to race changes at some point in the past, but I can't wrap my head around the few people who are very passionately arguing against others being able to change their race on seemingly moral grounds. This is probably the starkest example of something that would never-ever affect anyone who did not actively choose to make use of it that I have ever seen posted on these boards.

As for story-justification, well, it turns out a certain little Tarutaru subligar-aficionado is that skilled a make-over artist, okay?

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Originally Posted by Camiie

Then they should probably force us all to play characters of our real life gender.

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Also, gigantically fat people must play as Galka. Even women, if they're fat past the point of apparent secondary sex characteristics. Devito-Fat people must play as Tarutaru. I think we're onto something here!

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Originally Posted by Atomic_Skull

Your character isn't you, it's your character.

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With that line of thinking the transsexual "argument" you made becomes even more irrelevant (if that's even possible).

I remember playing Unreal tournament On the original XBOX. People could change their names in between every match if they wanted. Some people thought up some stupid names just for shiggles. Most people who played the game regularly kept their name the same all the time so that people knew who they were.

Somehow I doubt that it would be much different in FFXI. You would probably see a few stupid names for a little while, until the novelty wore off, and then things would be back to normal. There are already all sorts of mules running around town with dumb ass names, so I doubt it would even be noticeable.

As for the race change... If kids in their mom's basement can figure how to do it, and the Devs can't... Some one should lock the devs in a cell with nothing to eat but redbull and a bunch of programming manuals, and not let them out until they figure that ish out (Maybe throw in some whiskey and PCP, and televise it too).

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Originally Posted by Rosina

Most mmo allow a race... change.

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Who?


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Originally Posted by Rosina

Plus stuff like this gives the game money.

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Don't forget that it also COSTS money to make and maintain. For an essentially one-time feature that adds nothing to gameplay and is of no value to the majority of the playerbase. It won't bring in new players by the thousands or even dozens.

On the other hand, leveling a mule or even a new account is going to bring in guaranteed revenue. Every month. And no problems with change regret or malicious changes by (ex-)friends.

Some people consider their characters part of themselves, due to the time they spent on developing it. Others treat it as a piece of clothing that can be swapped as needed.