Dynamis

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Originally Posted by Mikumaru

whats your point? you can make a relic solo , good job . i play the game and fun , the whole point of a game . While your crying about this trying to complete yet another Relic all by your lonesome , i am laughing and enjoying hangin out wit mah boyz . I'll take havin fun with my friends and no relic over your uber solo-ness . You rock .

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Who's crying? your boy is the one that made the thread crying

if you have 5 ppl, you should be doing EM/T mobs regardless...

I want to fucking punch babies in the face when I enter valk, then an entire group of like 8 ppl enter and start farming the EP mobs

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Originally Posted by Nynja

if you have 5 ppl, you should be doing EM/T mobs regardless...

I want to fucking punch babies in the face when I enter valk, then an entire group of like 8 ppl enter and start farming the EP mobs

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i cant help it that we can kill more EP than DC~ . I also cant help it that Square made a couple areas dumb easy to get all the TEs and others require group to get . You can get all the TE's in Xarc fairly quickly and easily Vs. needing a group or a pet job to do them in Bastok . I think some one in this thread suggested changing drops between the Mobs . If we kill EP or EM mobs , once staggered and TH'd they all pretty much drop the same amount of coins . So why take longer to kill mobs for the same drops ?just so the Solo ppl stop crying ? yea right cause they would so do the same for us instead of taking monsters already staggered right (the original point of this thread) . When we farm and a BST has a small group , guess what we do . we leave him alone to do his thing , even tho he wont return the favor once they are all dead . If people would use a small amount of etiquette or maybe even try reasoning with those who they feel have moved in on your camp , things may go a little more cordially . But no , it better to be just be jerk from the offset , right ?

Regardless what your GM said or not - claiming a staggered mob isn't stealing cause you don't have the ability to let it be claimed (and there are jobs that can hold several mobs claimed)
So in my eyes - if someone "steals" your/my staggered mob - it's your/my fault and you/I don't have to complain about it.

And for those people who didn't understood my previous posting ;p has a clear meaning - google it if you don't know!

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Originally Posted by Brolic

and yet I've completed more relics with my no friends than you entire group has.

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It is easy to complete relics when you buy gil, right Brolick?

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Originally Posted by Mikumaru

I normally dont jump in on these type thread but Walk and i are in the Same LS and he isnt talking Hoarding MObs as a solo BST . he talking about when we go to Dynamis as a group . Going in with 5+ people . pulling 5-8 Mobs (something a group like this can handle easily) staggering them individually (since there is a time limit before stagger changes) then focusing on a single mob . we can Stagger and a kill a group of 8 in less than 5 minutes . with 5 people we Average 300+ coins run(Vs a Solo BST doing 120 +/- 15) . This is a co-operative game still . when we have 6 or more ppl come we hit the DC-T monsters . It's a huge annoyance when any player , BSt or other wise, come and tries to take already Staggered mobs . The GMs i have talked to about this call this a grief tactic , which is illegal by the EUA . Taking monsters not staggered , not so much . You wanna say this hoarding then try being less of a jerk and try takin the mobs before they get staggered . Or find some friends and complete that relic in 1/3rd the time . Not doin a weapon and farmin for gil ? Sorry then , but we're not selling our coins . We're makin Weapons .
I agree that Square should change the Stagger rates . Its so hard to stagger mobs on anything but Job Abilities (how many spells and Weapon Skills Vs how many Job Abilities?) of course this is the obvious choice when farming coins . Personally , i feel this addition to Dynamis is unwarranted and a complete annoyance in and that of it's self . The old Russian Roulette style was far more fun and rewarding . Especially now that it's an open area where groups can interact with one another , poor judgement call Square . If it was Locked like before the change , this stagger addition would be a great call . Now , not so much .

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Thanks for clarifying the job situation. People saw a bst making the thread and they automatically assumed it was solo bst hogging mobs when everyday I see groups like yours trying to keep claimed every mob in area. People should assume less.

Sorry, If I have no mob to fight and you're trying to hold 5-8 mobs, yes, I am taking a yellow one. My time's as valuable as yours.

If it is yellow, it is not your mob. /thread

It all comes down to respect alot of players nowadays have none i pick and choose different dynamis to do based on if any1 is in there i duo as a bst and a dnc my wife and i pull 1 mob at a time i make a comment stating my time in and area of camp so 1st thing dont say every bst is the same i have yet to cry or whine about a pt coming to camp on top of us and out pull/ horde area cause they can proc and kill faster to where we can not

If you have a mob triggered why not just kill it? That's just plain stupid to leave a triggered mob go yellow. Just have someone kill it. From what you are saying it sounds like you trigger a mob and all 5+ of you move onto the next mob and don't kill the mob you triggered. Also why are you even doing magic or WS trigger mobs if you are farming coins?

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Originally Posted by Mikumaru

we proc then focus on one . 3/4 people kills one mob faster than soloing it , again you know this had you any friends .

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i'm sorry i have to agree with Brolic, if u cant keep mobs claimed with 5-6 of u then seriously suck less, i do dyna with 4-5 ppl, we pull 4-5 mobs keep them all claimed and walk out with 400+ coins on average, and seeing as ur talking about solid math has it not occurred to u that proc'ing a mob then killing it before moving onto another is actually faster than proc'ing 5 mobs then 5 dd killing 1 mob at a time? 5 dd pull 5 mobs and kill a mob each is much faster than 5 dd pull 5 mobs, proc all then disengage, reengage 1 mob kill > switch mob > kill > switch mob > rinse > repeat

In response to the OP, and it's been said: The game is designed so one player may only have claim on one mob at any one time. It's designed to prevent hoarding.

And also as was said, and completely more to the point: SE need to either add more mobs to Dynamis or lower the repop times on mobs in Dynamis, especially with the upcoming update. Making it similar to Abyssea repops would be a good start.

There is no need for more mobs... there are 100's of them now... people are just lazy and only want to fight 1 mob family in the CoP zones, or stay in 1 spot in cities. it definitely isn't a matter of getting relic that's for sure, because you should have gotten at least 90% of it by now.

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Originally Posted by Ihnako

and there are jobs that can hold several mobs claimed

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no there arent... prove me wrong.

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Originally Posted by Unleashhell

There is no need for more mobs... there are 100's of them now... people are just lazy and only want to fight 1 mob family in the CoP zones, or stay in 1 spot in cities. it definitely isn't a matter of getting relic that's for sure, because you should have gotten at least 90% of it by now.

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Half of it is a matter of convenience or sheer inability to fight:
In valk, on bronze time you can either fight Hippos, Sabotenders who do 10k needle (good luck surviving that in any trio environment) or Sheep who are a 2 minute run away. Pick one...

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Originally Posted by Mikumaru

i cant help it that we can kill more EP than DC~

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While its not a huge change, there is a higher drop rate on EM/T mobs over EP. a group of 5/6 should be able to decimate the T camps, meaning theres no competition to deal with, so you should wind up with more kills over time, and more currency.

Perhaps its that you cant help sucking?

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Originally Posted by Sargent

In response to the OP, and it's been said: The game is designed so one player may only have claim on one mob at any one time. It's designed to prevent hoarding.

And also as was said, and completely more to the point: SE need to either add more mobs to Dynamis or lower the repop times on mobs in Dynamis, especially with the upcoming update. Making it similar to Abyssea repops would be a good start.

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As long as they remove the occasions the mobs don't respawn for 10+ minutes.

I take any white mobs from BST in Dyna. It's become so congested, you must be crazy to think people will respect your space lol. Learn to keep your mobs claimed or have them taken, you can't expect that courtesy when everyone is competing for the exact same thing in an event like Dynamis. I despise BST now since Dynamis thing (did in the past, but more so now) and anytime I see them taking two mobs at once I smile because I know I'm about to get an easy currency when their pet takes the mob to 20% ish ^0^

Everyone seems to have some pretty bad experiences with beastmasters in Dynamis, goodness me! And here beastmasters used to be lauded as some of the best friends you could have in FFXI. Of course, that hails back to the days when beastmasters were helpful, and would often solo things you would otherwise need parties (or alliances) for, mostly because it was just fun as all heck to tear up some tough as nails notorious monster, showing off what back then was quite a lot of hard work to get to 75; a badge of honor. Of course, you usually needed some pretty expensive gear, too, which meant dedication working those goobue in the tree. Or if you go even farther back, the beastmasters that used to help with RMT problems... cough cough charm and leave...

What was my point with that? Mostly that those beastmasters do still exist. We're a bit rare now that you can smnburn to 30 and then abyssea to 9X, then just skill up (not hard). All the idiots before who would camp notorious monsters for hours and then complain because it popped right in front of someone else because "that person stole my notorious monster" (HINT for those of you who still think that's justified: Do you think that person spent the last X hours /sea-ing that zone to see who was there camping the NM they were going to go camp, or just happen to run by? Probably not. They saw an NM, and for whatever reason decided they wanted to kill it. Maybe if you'd asked politely if they needed the drops, you would stand a better chance of getting them; probably not, but I sure as crap would be a lot more receptive to inviting someone who asked me politely if I would let them lot empress hairpin than the one who just came up to me and started spamming me with "DOOD I WAS HERE 1ST, THAT WAS MY NM") now have easy access to one of the easiest solo jobs in the game (easy now, anyway). Spend a couple days building pet evasion axes (or PDT axes, whatever suits your fancy), some of that leeched-cruor on aurore/perle, get some gil for your first set of Yuly jugs, and BAM, you're ready to start lootwhoring dynamis. Makes me wanna cry.

I would, however, like to make a small side note; There are times in dynamis where you aggro. They should be rare, with jigs and whatnot, but if you do aggro something you don't want to fight, you probably have your pet going back and forth between what you do want to kill and what you don't. If I'm ever in that situation, and Dynamis is crowded, and what I aggroed is something people want, I try to let them know that they can take the second mob (I'd prefer they did, actually). This has only happened once for me, since I haven't done dynamis since 90 cap, but I'm not really the type to qualm over someone taking that extra mob. You can call it stealing, I call it giving me a hand; You've helped kill a mob faster than I could've, which helps respawn timers, my pet takes less damage, which helps my pocket, we kill our mob faster, since my pet's not having an ADD attack, which helps respawn timers, etc, etc. This attitude has actually gotten me more friends than enemies so far, and I'd rather have friends than a mandau. Weird, isn't it?

More fully on topic: OP, if you want to have less issues with people in dynamis, try being friendlier. Don't pull mobs faster than you can proc/kill them (yes, you're going to get less currency/hour because you're spending more time between fights, but you'll get more currency because people aren't going out of their way to keep mobs away from you). If someone does steal a mob, be respectful, be the bigger man; Say nothing, just move on to the next mob (and try not to aggro something while killing it); or if someone steals a mob that aggroed you, don't get upset because you were planning on killing it, simply say thank you. Regardless of what they say, they were only trying to help you. Offer to help people with things, even if it goes out of your way (See a couple people struggling with Raum over there? Offer to throw your pet at it so they can get their thf hands). Apologize when you take a mob someone else was about to pull, even if you got there first, even if you couldn't tell they were going to pull it. I promise you, if you do these things, you'll see more people willing to go out of their way to be just as friendly with you. Are you still going to have jerks who don't want you to have any mobs? Yes! There are people who have more fun making your life difficult than making their life easy. Those are the types of people who will pay their monthly subscription fee just to log in and cause you to whine and complain (See if you can find any in this topic =p). Are you going to see less currency per hour? By golly, that's something I can't answer for you. I never was really the competitive "Everything is mine" type of player; you'll have to do that math yourself. What I can promise you, though, is that you'll have a lot fewer problems with people in general, and that can make everything else in FFXI go easier.

Sorry for the long post.

What's this BST job discrimination all about? ;(

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Originally Posted by Afania

What's this BST job discrimination all about? ;(

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Probably stems from the fact that BST has become the flavor of the month job for dynamis because it's so easy to walk in and get a good amount of coins with not that much effort. I suppose it just offends some people that SE actually created a situation where BST is actually useful. At the same time, people inevitably start to look down on flavor of the month jobs and combos (SAM and pink mage RDM in the toau melee burn era, whm and mnk combo in Abyssea). They see a bunch of BSTS in dynamis and believe that if only all those damn scrubs weren't there, they could be getting all the coins they were by right entitled to. If it weren't for all those damn BSTS, dynamis wouldn't be so congested! As if people wouldn't have gravitated to the setup that took the lowest number of people and filled the zones with it ad naseum, you know, like Empyrean-building groups in Abyssea.

Basically, like the real world, the discrimination is based on jealousy and a sense of entitlement.

I find it hilarious that even after someone from the OP's linkshell clarifies that it isn't a case of a solo BST holding a ton of mobs, but a small group, the thread still rolls on venting about big bad BSTs. Yup, it's jobs that are inconsiderate douchebags, not the person behind them.

Thread should of stopped at yellow = fair game, no matter what job you're on.

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Originally Posted by Nynja

Half of it is a matter of convenience or sheer inability to fight:
In valk, on bronze time you can either fight Hippos, Sabotenders who do 10k needle (good luck surviving that in any trio environment) or Sheep who are a 2 minute run away. Pick one...

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So why do that zone? There are other CoP zones you can go to for OBronze. That doesnt hold water.

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Originally Posted by Unleashhell

So why do that zone? There are other CoP zones you can go to for OBronze. That doesnt hold water.

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So the plan is to ask everyone in the zone if your camp is open and then go somewhere else if it's not?

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

So the plan is to ask everyone in the zone if your camp is open and then go somewhere else if it's not?

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Why would you have to ask anyone? Just go in and kill mobs >.>

i did have a 3 paragraph response to this thread for walkingshadows then i decided no one would read it because of how long it was and i decided to state this.

a GM in the game will state to you a mob when its name is yellow is fair game it doesn't matter who it is attacking and they have this rule and game mechanic to support a fair give/take system aka the balance we hear so much about.

i'm quite honestly surprised walkingshadows because if you understand anything about ffxi its very much about competition and team work together to get what you want just like life and if you cant deal with someone grabbing a mob off of a group your probably holding you are going to have to get over yourself because they are they will and you can't stop it from happening.

NO kidding, if you got 5+ go kill the higher lvl stuff lol. they drop up to 5, and no one will steal your stuff. If you don't suck you should kill them just as fast.

But then again, if you got 5+ people and you can't insta kill the ep stuff soon as you proc one...

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Originally Posted by Unleashhell

So why do that zone? There are other CoP zones you can go to for OBronze. That doesnt hold water.

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It was an EXAMPLE...but hey I'll lay out qufim and buburimu too

Buburimu: for Bronze you can either do Bunnies which are easy, Mandies which have dumb aoe nightmare sleep and terror, and efts which are 2 minutes away across the map. Then when Byne time comes around, you're either doing a camp of ~10 crawlers (which me 3boxing can almost clear out on my own) or running 90 seconds over to ravens...or you can do Uragunites, good luck with that even with a full alliance of 18.

Qufim is just a mess...but every time shift, you're going to have to make a 2 minute run to hit next viable camp. I personally do Tigers>Snolls>Rocs + try for WS procs when the 3 rocs are down. But its a loss of currency cause WS procs are so rare. Ideally the best set seems to be Bats>trip bats>Raptors...but thats the most popular set cause it involves easy mobs in "close" proximity so its always full.

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Originally Posted by Aldersyde

Probably stems from the fact that BST has become the flavor of the month job for dynamis because it's so easy to walk in and get a good amount of coins with not that much effort. They see a bunch of BSTS in dynamis and believe that if only all those damn scrubs weren't there, they could be getting all the coins they were by right entitled to. If it weren't for all those damn BSTS, dynamis wouldn't be so congested!
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I find it hilarious that even after someone from the OP's linkshell clarifies that it isn't a case of a solo BST holding a ton of mobs, but a small group, the thread still rolls on venting about big bad BSTs.

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Lets be honest here, when you're in dynamis and someones making an attempt to fight 4 mobs at once, what job are they usually on?

And as its been covered, if a party of 5 cant manage to keep 5 mobs claimed, they REALLY deserve to have their mobs jacked. I can competently keep 3 mobs claimed when I'm 3boxing dynamis...5 people NOT multiboxing cant manage to keep 5 mobs claimed? Really? suck less bro...

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Originally Posted by Sappho

It is easy to complete relics when you buy gil, right Brolick?

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what do my nuts taste like? you're all up on them

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Originally Posted by Nynja

no there arent... prove me wrong.

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Any mage job.

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Originally Posted by Unleashhell

Why would you have to ask anyone? Just go in and kill mobs >.>

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You said to do a different zone. How am I gonna know there's not someone in the camp I want in the other zone as well?

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Originally Posted by Ihnako

Any mage job.

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Lol ok, good luck with that.

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Originally Posted by macross

NO kidding, if you got 5+ go kill the higher lvl stuff lol. they drop up to 5, and no one will steal your stuff. If you don't suck you should kill them just as fast.

But then again, if you got 5+ people and you can't insta kill the ep stuff soon as you proc one...

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hell with 5 ppl you could go do a city and pull down 1000 coins a night

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Originally Posted by Ihnako

Any mage job.

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Show me a screenshot of you solo with multiple mobs CLAIMED and I'll suck my own dick.

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Originally Posted by Nynja

Show me a screenshot of you solo with multiple mobs CLAIMED and I'll suck my own dick.

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I feel like either of those two things happening is gonna require some serious photo shop. Probably well worth the effort.

I never said anything about soloing.

In case you hold more than one mob - everyone is free to take over an unclaimed mob - just to help you. (so you don't die) :cool:

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Originally Posted by Ihnako

I never said anything about soloing.

In case you hold more than one mob - everyone is free to take over an unclaimed mob - just to help you. (so you don't die) :cool:

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you said :

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Originally Posted by Ihnako

(and there are jobs that can hold several mobs [SIZE="6"]claimed[/SIZE])

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Yes.. hold a mob claimed and fighting several mobs simultanious are different things.
You should switch on your brain before you write.

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Originally Posted by Ihnako

Yes.. hold a mob claimed and fighting several mobs simultanious are different things.
You should switch on your brain before you write.

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You can't hold mobs claimed like that, hence the entire topic. Pull your head out.

You can hold several mobs claimed. But you'r not smart enough - obviously.

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Originally Posted by Ihnako

You can hold several mobs claimed. But you'r not smart enough - obviously.

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You're obviously smarter than everyone here, so tell us how. Enlighten us.

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Originally Posted by Morier

If it is yellow, it is not your mob. /thread

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There are exceptions: automaton ranged/magic attacks do not claim a mob, only direct melee. If you 'steal' a mob agrod in such a way, you are exploiting a glitch. You can get away with it one or two times, but any more and it's harassment. (This came from a GM. Think I even have it logged somewhere.)

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Originally Posted by Arcon

You're obviously smarter than everyone here, so tell us how. Enlighten us.

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Hmm... no, I won't enlight you. Since it's common knowledge.

I didn't have time to read all 8 pages of comments, but an easy fix would be to alow you and your pet to have 1 target each that are "Red" and unclaimable by others. Claiming more then 2 mobs in Dynamis at one time and your just being selfish. I do dynamis a lot, solo on bst, and unless there are less then 10 people in the zone, I don't try to claim more then 2 targets. I never seem to go without having something to swing at. You shouldn't have to have 4-5 mobs stitting there while we all wait for respauns. As it is, I'm not sure someone could take hate from me or my pet unless they weaponskill it cause I actually bothered to get some hate before I take off to get another mob.

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Originally Posted by Ihnako

Hmm... no, I won't enlight you. Since it's common knowledge.

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Is it? Let me tell you what I thought was common knowledge: a mob will unclaim after a few seconds if you perform an action targeted at another mob. What do you have to say to that?