Phoenix The Terrestrial Avatar Of Life.

So many good ideas to include Phoenix into SMNs arsenals! 1 idea that I have is something similar that you do for Fenrir(or had to do the 1st time). Collect the whispers from all the avatars(this time including fenrir and diabolos as well), but that's not all. Maybe having to retrieve several explicit items(one of which would be a phoenix feather, and other items that symbolize fire/life maybe 5 different items) and trade them to a new NPC with the whispers in your inventory. The NPC makes a new item that's meant to be a conduit. You then go to a secluded location(as with all the avatars) and you trade the new item to the spot. It then uses up all your whispers and there's a CS where the avatars are summoned and transfer power to the conduit in order call forth the power of phoenix. Could even get selt'heus involved and if you do, the energy created could possibly be sufficient in calling forth more power from Phoenix(i.e. awakening more of her power) that is released from Selt'heus in the form of Phoenix(albeit not her full power most likely, but still strong enough to be a prime avatar in this state. She then shows her gratitude and requests a fight to see if you are worthy of controlling her power. Her fight shouldn't be anything less than difficult. Have some "prime avatar" gimmicks for her like, she Auto-reraises randomly(but a minimum of 2 times) like Aerns but, anyone within 25~30 of her take decent~moderate fire/light damage. I like many of the abilities that have been posted for her, but I would think her 2hour should be a little more powerful. I think it should be like RR4ga(raise with no weakness and fully healed; with a few buffs like haste, atk/acc/matk/macc/whatever else would be proper) however, using her specific 2hour ability should wipe Astral Flow status.

I know these may bee farfetched ideas, but we're trying to make this game better and better, not keeping it exactly where it is. Change can be good, and we need to be the ones to make it(and hopefully have these ideas reach SE's ears)

Since we are talking about phoenix, I thought I would share with you guys the phoenix quest I submitted for the stratics quest contest a few years back.

http://ffxi.stratics.com/php-bin/sho...?content=30944

It can be found at this link, titled Holy resurrection by Pebe. I'm sorry about the grammar errors in advance. I was rushing to turn it in and my proof reading failed. Also stratics used a different word format than I did so some of the spacing got messed up in certain places. Enjoy.

Lol after rereading it myself, I facepalm at some of my characterizations, think I was 16 when I wrote this.

Regardless of the grammatical errors, I actually enjoyed this. This would be a really good way of employing a quest that can string Phoenix into being a summon for us. (while will keeping to the lore of this game). And of course updating her abilities for today's game ;D I would totally make a petition for this to be made real.

yeah phoenix is never going to be able to be summoned in present-day vana'diel... which is why we go to the past in the WotG areas to find her! i don't see any reason why she can't be alive during the crystal war. they never really specified /when/ she died and got sucked into a GK. actually, when WotG first came out, my initial reaction was, "yay! an excuse to get phoenix!!"

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Originally Posted by Soranika

LOLOL if anyone bothered to actually pay attention to the storyline of abyssea, Shinryu absorbed Selh'tues which means he also absorbed the remaining energy of Phoenix.

Seriously... plot devices.... gawd people should read books. Yeah yeah I know, completely irrelevant to the game...

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technically promathia absorbed selh'teus, creating shinryu :o juss' sayin'

because the CoP plot actually directly states that phoenix is a terrestial avatar. they list all the terrestial avatars including bahamut, diabolos, carbuncle, fenrir, and phoenix. i can't think of the cutscene name, or exactly at what point in the story it is, but if it helps any, i think it takes place in the hospital in upper jeuno.

EDIT: forgot to quote, but somebody asked why phoenix has to be terresstial, and not celestial :X

did anyone read that taru's link? the way he described it would work quite well. Selt'heus doesn't NEED phoenix to be alive, he only had her reside within him so that she wouldn't die(?). And if you say he's become the planet's protector, PSHH! he's not doing a very good job of that! I think he would relinquish Phoenix to a highly trusted person(such as yourself) if it meant that Phoenix could be revived. Using the power of the mothercrystals, power from the other terrestrial avatars and a tear of the goddess Altana would probably be enough energy to fuel the resurrection of Phoenix. The far east probably didn't have anything such as these to utilize in Phoenix's revival, so they used what they could.

*SPOILERS* selh'teus died by absorbing a massive amount of emptiness, at which point phoenix merged with him and they were both reborn as a single entity. i did read that link though. it was interesting, but i wasn't 100% thrilled with it, mostly because it just sounded ridiculously difficult to complete, and it still just doesn't quite work out with the plot. the only viable way i could see us getting phoenix is getting him in the crystal war era, but i dunno why they haven't thought of that yet, so obvious... <.<

so true haha! I truly do not want Cait Sith. he/she is not going to be any use imo =\ will just be a cute thing that follows us around when we're bored/not doing anything. Especially if they're basing her off of the WotG cait sith and it's abilities. Phoenix or go home i say!

Wouldnt it be a cool idea to obtain pheonix in wotg before tenzen locked her in his blade ?

Well, since WotG is supposedly both the past and an alternate reality, it would still work out in the "normal time"!

Tenzen is such a womanizer! The above post is a great example!

How about no on the Pheonix and we get a real Avatar? You know what we don't need at 99? More crappy Light Bps and a stupid (re)raisga. If you're dying so much that you even need to use something like that then having it won't help whatsoever.

it's not just (re)raisega~ Phoenix will basically be a more magically inclined version of Ifrit with more enfeebling and enhancing with her(enfeeb/enhances that we don't have already, or more potent versions or something). Cause let's face it, who uses ifrit all that much? :<

Plus, this could bee a way to help with our damage as well(seeing as Phoenix is a "higher grade avatar" of sorts). Using better formulas for her specifically simply because she's who she is(an avatar that rivals Bahamut in power).

Cait sith will only be a disappointment, I can see it :<

Why do people keep referring to pheonix as a light avatar?? Does no one know mythology?

Wikipedia: The phoenix or phenix (Greek: Φοίνιξ Greek pronunciation: [ˈfiniks], is a mythical sacred FIREBIRD that can be found in the mythologies of the Arabian, Persians, Greeks, Romans, Egyptians, Chinese, Indian and (according to Sanchuniathon) Phoenicians.

In previous Final fantasy games such as 7 and 8 pheonix is also fire, which is Final fantasy mythology.
In FF11 pheonix is given the color red, the light she gives off is red ( I.E the flames that come from the katana)

Ffxiclopedia: Tenzen has the Phoenix Blade, which contains the Flames of resurrection--Phoenix's life essence. She is believed to be worshiped in the Far East.

It just so happens she has the power to reraise after death,and some of her move have a reraise effect on others. She's not supposed to be a light avatar. (Example Only) how titan merited BP Geocrush has an aditional effect of stun even though stun is a thunder type move.

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Originally Posted by Brightshadow

What don't you like about it the quest? or the Quest Progression.
What do you like the most about phoenix? I see alot of potential for her Especially for endgame.

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Phoenix should be a multi-quest accomplishment like some odd little rewards we used to obtain...the only difference with this is, smns will be over-powered and loved forever! XD

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Originally Posted by Cabalabob

ehh.. i'm a bit iffy about the quest, i mean in CoP Tenzen had to sacrifice like.. half a country or something to summon phoenix, did he not know he could just chuck a feather into a rock? lol

a while ago i thought it would be cool if rather than summoning phoenix they could have given smn the ability to summon Tenzen's GK (like the bound weapons summoners have in oblivion) and given it a special weapon skill like the one Tenzen used on the airship fight give it something like an auto-reraise aftermath which duration varies with tp, make it a fire ele weaponskill acc based on our summoning skill, or something like that

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That's why the quest seems too irrelevant and unreasonable. I don't think we can challenge something that has passed away although there's legends of Phoenix bloodlines which (pass down their power) are the emphesis of rebirth and life( I really didn't know how to word it). Summoners don't really use the celestial being anyways, they summon a portion of their power from the realm which they dwell(whether living or dead/asleep).

I heard many stories of the Phoenix, they're usually female of their breed/race... They're A-sexual and need no partner to breed. They lay their egg to pass down their power and bloodline and live for thousands of years. Their species( as rare as you can imagine) are born from a nest of the deepest fire, under extreme heat and pressure. Many legends are made for the Phoenix, SE can just make up anything they like.

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Originally Posted by Soranika

LOLOL if anyone bothered to actually pay attention to the storyline of abyssea, Shinryu absorbed Selh'tues which means he also absorbed the remaining energy of Phoenix.

Seriously... plot devices.... gawd people should read books. Yeah yeah I know, completely irrelevant to the game...

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Haven't completed anything yet, thanks alot =P

Spoilers, Darth Vader is Lukes Father since I'm guessing you haven't seen that either.

I also agree on this part. We don't fully summon the avatars; we summon a portion of them. Also they can give us their power whilst dormant/dead because they transcend the confines of us mere mortals. In fact, many of the avatars are dead if you read their lore. Fenrir was dead and he was supposed to be the avatar that saved all of Windurst. Shiva was once an elvaan(i'm assuming simply because of how she looks) Queen that died in her exile after being betrayed by her uncle. Leviathan was killed by himself(the lore explains it!), and so on.

And phoenix is much more powerful then them. SE is just being lazy and not wanting to completely design a good avatar(and they are probably afraid that she would replace Ifrit, which she will).

Anyone saying that we can't have Phoenix because she's "dead" or that Selt'heus has absorbed her aren't thinking of the possibilities of what the avatars are capable of. They have so many loopholes to be able to implement her.

Again, SE is lazy. They probably want to gut this game too haha

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Originally Posted by Saiken253

I also agree on this part. We don't fully summon the avatars; we summon a portion of them. Also they can give us their power whilst dormant/dead because they transcend the confines of us mere mortals. In fact, many of the avatars are dead if you read their lore. Fenrir was dead and he was supposed to be the avatar that saved all of Windurst. Shiva was once an elvaan(i'm assuming simply because of how she looks) Queen that died in her exile after being betrayed by her uncle. Leviathan was killed by himself(the lore explains it!), and so on.

And phoenix is much more powerful then them. SE is just being lazy and not wanting to completely design a good avatar(and they are probably afraid that she would replace Ifrit, which she will).

Anyone saying that we can't have Phoenix because she's "dead" or that Selt'heus has absorbed her aren't thinking of the possibilities of what the avatars are capable of. They have so many loopholes to be able to implement her.

Again, SE is lazy. They probably want to gut this game too haha

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Do Windy Nation Mission if you haven't already because ...

[spoiler]Fenrir came back at the end.[/spoiler]

I have completed all the stories haha... but that somewhat further solidifies an argument that if Fenrir can come back, Phoenix definitely should be able to even though she's been fused into Selt'heus.

I just don't want a gimmick summon like Cait Sith(cause that's what it's going to be) and another lame 2hour summon. I want a powerful summon(definitely replacing ifrit as the fire summon, and could possibly replace garuda for our go-to summon of choice). I'm sure all of us are tired of seeing Garuda as well(and other players). Plus, Phoenix would revitilize people's interest in SMN(and maybe cause more people to support improvement to the job, which needs it badly in a party setting).

I agreed. I would rather us get a real useful avatar. Anything but another 'Odin'.

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Originally Posted by Ziyyigo-Tipyigo

Not this again... /sigh

Merged with Selh'teus.

Asking "Why can't we summon Phoenix?" is like asking "Why can't we resurrect Aerith?"

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Fixed that for you.

And who says unmerging phoenix from selt'heus would result in his death? If he's supposed to be some great protector he isn't doing a very good job haha. I think with enough preparation and utilizing all the great magic that we have available in our realm, we should be able to revive her. Tenzen's country had to sacrifice so many people because they didn't have any other options; we most definitely do where we are.

If Tenzen and his people could restore a fraction of Phoenix's power from killing a few hundred/thousand people couldn't she be fully revived from half the world dying in Abyssea? Yeh I know Shinryu gulped down Selh'tues but we kill Shinryu so all that essence or whatever could be released. There are always ways for a creative writer to work within the mythology of a story and still change the status quo ante. If it's done in a clever way the most exciting part of a story is when what you thought could never happen happens! This is fantasy and fantasy by definition is only limited to your imagination. Besides calling the bird that is the embodiment of resurrection dead and saying we can't have it for that reason just seems silly and incomprehensible to me.

Trying to petition SE by saying lets replace Ifrit with Phoenix will never work, SE has said time and again it is their desire that all avatars be used. The position I would like Phoenix to fill would be that of a healing avatar that also has some decent damage- maybe not the best- on both regular hits and BPs as at the moment I can keep Carby out and do basically no damage or if I use my regular DD Bps I have to switch avatars if I want to do a worthwhile cure which takes to long. Also it doesn't matter how strong your alliance is a raisega AF would be great for those times when someone misses a stun and a mob gets it's move off that wipes half the alliance, especially if that raise comes without weakness or a reduced timer. What I would really love to see though is a new class of summons somewhere between spirits and avatars that have partial autonomy and can cast/ use weaker abilities on their own without costing summoners MP like spirits but can also be forced to use a BP at the cost of MP like avatars. That though is a topic for another forum lol.

whether she ever gets a physical form in ffxi or not, it sure is neat to imagine! i came up with a couple ideas of how she might look.
http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/o...adielcolor.jpg
http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/o...oenixcolor.jpg

Or they could just add lvl 95/99 bp tiers on all existing avatars and not have to devote art staff + testing staff to it.

I mean, there's literally a cheap way of adding something to the job that would be embraced by the community and instead SE is dinking around with shitty fenrir/diabolos pacts and elemental changes and telling us to like it.

I remember a few months ago I made the very modest suggestion of allowing stout servant damage reduction to be counted before the 50% pdt is applied so the modifier wasn't halved and I got flamed by some for asking too much. I think I feel entirely justified now because clearly, SE is content giving BSTs everything and SMNs nothing.

If we did get Phoenix, it would be a 2 hour only mob. Resurrects all party members with no weakened effect and restores all HP/TP to full.

At best.

Probably wouldn't restore TP. Probably wouldn't allow no weakened. Probably wouldn't restore HP to full.

Yay

of course i'd want something that can follow me around, but thats better than nothing <.<b when it comes down to it, i just want a physical manifestation of phoenix to be my homie.

If I get phoenix I want to have wings and glow like Selh'teus does! :D Make ME the avatar!

lol~ a self-manifested summon to make us better than Ukko wars! I say {Yes, please.}

good thought i love the idea of it. would be nice to have a regain favor. really hope something like this does soon happen D:

And you know what? in the early days of FFXI there was(and technically still is) a LOT of story from SMNs. more than probably half the jobs in the game(Or probably closer to all!)! This might be why they haven't added new stuff for SMN and are unwilling to. I would love Phoenix so much, have always loved that summon and it's one of my favorite mythical creatures.

Just wait, SE is secretly developing her as we speak and are going to ninja-add her without saying a word and wait to see how long it takes us to find out haha.(me being blissfully optimistic and wishful)

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Just wait, SE is secretly developing her as we speak and are going to ninja-add her without saying a word and wait to see how long it takes us to find out haha.(me being blissfully optimistic and wishful)

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No really... that's what they did to Diabolos.

wouldn't phoenix be fire and light elements?

@jamesy

Yes, yes she would and I would love it. Been waiting for a fire summon that's worth using and a light avatar that's used for more than healing(sounds like another avatar we have already? :O).

Phoenix is not dead. The final cutscene from CoP shows that. A single feather falling at Blueblade Fall, looking out over the old Tavnazian Marquisate. (I suspect Phoenix and Tavnazia are linked in a future expansion, possibly the Last Stand, but that theory floats on a single falling feather.)

We where able to revive Fenrir by bringing the whispers together in carbuncles ruby and that was used to help Fenrir regain his strength. So why not something in a similar matter, but still not enough to fully revive Phoenix, but enough for her to lend us her power in the form of a 2 hour only like with Alexander and Odin? Like with the previous games, she comes in, revives/heals, and in some cases put's up auto life(pretty sure this happened in at least one previous game), and deals fire damage to your enemies. And all we see of her is a burning image on the ground in her shape, and maybe a faint ghost like image over it. Or maybe just the ghost image is the first one is to much for the dev team. :P

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Originally Posted by Nightstrike

We where able to revive Fenrir by bringing the whispers together in carbuncles ruby and that was used to help Fenrir regain his strength. So why not something in a similar matter, but still not enough to fully revive Phoenix, but enough for her to lend us her power in the form of a 2 hour only like with Alexander and Odin? Like with the previous games, she comes in, revives/heals, and in some cases put's up auto life(pretty sure this happened in at least one previous game), and deals fire damage to your enemies. And all we see of her is a burning image on the ground in her shape, and maybe a faint ghost like image over it. Or maybe just the ghost image is the first one is to much for the dev team. :P

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Just say NO to anymore 2hr ONLY Avatar please.

1 Odin is lol enough, we dont need any more 2hr only avatar (we know we're getting another 2hr only avatar on the way already).

Odin should have been the only 2hr avatar imo.

omg please never again suggest another 2hour summon... they're completely useless. Odin is only "good" on trash mobs. Even then, a BLU/BLM/WAR does it way better than what he does. Alexander really should have been a normal avatar; I would suggest that he be completely stationary and give him extended range on all his BPs(at least the BP:Rs), I really wouldn't mind that. It would be sooo much better than what he does now.

The new 2hour summon that we're getting, Atomos, is going to be garbage unless: 80-99% of the mob's stats(and i mean every single stat from attributes to attack bonus, accuracy, mab, DEF, I mean everything) is absorbed and then given to the ENTIRE ALLIANCE. Maybe to keep it somewhat balanced, make the 99% have to use 95~100%(probably 100%) of our mp and scale it down with less MP used. IMO, I believe the rest of our pet's 2hr BP:Rs should have a similar quality in that: every 200 MP that we use above the base requirement to activate our 2hr BP:R we get +5~10 MAB(it costs 198 MP to be able to initiate the BP at 99).

Phoenix would be such a godsend for SMN if she were called as a perpetuated avatar. as for Cait Sith, here's how that avatar is going to be: We unlock it and play around with it, amused by it's cuteness, and realized that(unless it has anything that's worth-while like a regain favor, which is most likely no, and it's abilities bring something that can be utilized like amnesia that actually lands on anything that's not a trash mob) we will then "store it away" and it'll never see the light of day until we want to be amused and go back to using our Nymph/Priestess/Serpent/Giant/Sage(90% the nymph).

Phoenix has so much more potential for SMN than anything else(in this game) that is within the realm of possibility of us obtaining. She is not dead, for she cannot actually be killed. That is her lore.