Ideas for DRG updates

Not to mention the individual bonuses per piece. I actually wouldn't even bother someone who Did full time it. Ur only counter argument would've a full haste set in which case most mobs go down in 3-4 attack rounds at the most so full haste is only necessary in longer fights. Congrats to all drg with full +2. And sorry if u don't have it noodles

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Originally Posted by Anucris

Ur only counter argument would've a full haste set in which case most mobs go down in 3-4 attack rounds at the most so full haste is only necessary in longer fights.

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Glad I made my point. Btw 4 of the 5 pieces were in ur ideal WS set. I don't have twilight helm or I'd use it also.

If you're point was you're an idiot and don't know why haste is worthwhile even at low numbers or on quick fights, then yes, you made your point.

seriously u think haste makes much difference on a 2-3 swing fight.... sure its worthwhile and everyone needs a haste set, but theres no reason care so much about pple running around with only 18% haste, i saw a 90 drg today with a lvl 77 lance. i wasnt mad at em. i felt sorry for em. i always liked helpin other drg out

Being the best you can for a DD = being able to kill mobs as quickly as possible. That's it. Even if a fight only takes 2-3 sings per melee, if the melees are at 26% haste, they will kill it faster than if they were at 18% haste.

Generalisations, exceptions exist etc, but over time they will average faster fight times. A proper haste set increases your damage than using 5/5 AF3+2. It has been tested and proven. It's even obvious just from doing some basic maths of the stats, yet you still use 5/5 Af3+2. You're using worse armor than stuff which is easilly available just because it's rare. Essentially, you're wearing a big purple denali bonnet. If you think shit rare item > good common item, then you're already a lost cause.

You helping other drgs out sounds like the blind leading the blind.

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Originally Posted by Anucris

10% comes more often than u think

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Well, actually (this is gonna blow your mind) it comes 10% of the time. But you TP in 5/5 AF3+2, so not like you know any better.

Yeah I like my stronger and DA +4% gloves over my aces most of the time. So what. The set is very nice. And if u think it's crap then don't get it. And yeah 10% is 10%. That's such an intelligent comment and never said I always tp in 5/5. I said everyone needs a haste set. I could pop on 30%+ haste if it wasn't capped. Point is I don't gripe at pple who do. Do u argue just to argue or something

Well you said "10% comes more often than you think". I think 10% comes 10% of the time, so it obviously doesn't come more often than I think on average does it?

You basically just said "I like wearing my Denali Bonnet. So what?" we're not arguing for the sake of arguing. We're arguing with you because it's not ok to say "This more difficult to obtain, but worse option is ok". That's what you're doing. You can buy Dusk Gloves and perle legs off the AH for dirt cheap. Suggesting it's ok to use AF3+2 for TP over those is just wrong. They are worse. The problem is when you say It's ok to do so, other people who come and read the forum will think it's ok too.

tl;dr It's not cool to say "i'm ok with gimping my damage so I can wear something shiney and rare, so you can to!" Just cus you are happy being a gimp doesn't mean you should lead other people down the same path.

You may like to gimp yourself by using something rarer and shiney but don't bring other people down with you.

AF3+2 gloves might be useful in the future for TPing if new gear comes out and we can make up the haste loss in another slot, but until then, Timarli or Dusk+1 are better.

Back on topic, it'd be nice if Wyverns got a trait that acts as a permanent Migawari effect. If the dmg dealt to the wyvern exceeds like more than 75% of it's max HP, damage is anulled(which wouldn't be much considering how low its HP is)

The discussion was never about what was better. And it's ok for me to say what I want. U still not have full +2 set noodles. So sad. And is ur ws set still so weak? With all that +1 and all. Point is there good not crap especially nice for ws. And u can still have 26% haste without takin up the glove slot and in that case it would be dumb and a waste. And everyone knows a maxed haste set is best for tp dunno why u think u gotta educate pple on what they already know. Do u ever post any good ideas noodles or just go through forums trolling? On most forums ur arguing with someone. Ur pathetic and don't know it all.

Migawari effect is ok. But in the end -DT might be a little better because now ur worried about being 2 shotted. And I ur in the fray fighting those aoe it can happen often. Of course u can be 2 shotted with -DT but every hit will do less. Those aoe that take 4-6 probably wont kill it wyv the whole fight. I dunno tho cause the migawari effect is like not even being hit. This will take a little more thought but good idea

Have just been spamming empyrean item NMs the past week and I've realized DRG doesn't need a dmg buff. From Drakesbane spam with 5hit+Corsesca+2 build I still rip hate off VS MNKs and Ukon WARs especially when the WAR is getting hit+losing hate and I follow up with a triple attack triple crit proc at 500 dmg per hit. The problem comes when I get hate and third eye is wiped in a second or two, leaving my completely defenseless, 3min super jump isn't enough.

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Originally Posted by Anucris

The discussion was never about what was better. And it's ok for me to say what I want. U still not have full +2 set noodles. So sad. And is ur ws set still so weak? With all that +1 and all. Point is there good not crap especially nice for ws. And u can still have 26% haste without takin up the glove slot and in that case it would be dumb and a waste. And everyone knows a maxed haste set is best for tp dunno why u think u gotta educate pple on what they already know. Do u ever post any good ideas noodles or just go through forums trolling? On most forums ur arguing with someone. Ur pathetic and don't know it all.

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Just stop. Put down the spade and stop digging yourself a hole.
Options for 26% Haste not using gloves:
AF3+2 Head 6%. Relic+1/Timarli Body 2%. Bullwhip 7%. Ace's/Bestia 4%. AF3+2 Feet 5%. AF3 Back 1%. Blitz Ring 1%.

Do you know why that set is absolutely terribad? Let's examine it in detail.
You're not using one of Goading Belt, Ace's Leggings, or AF3+1/+2/Askar/Aurum Body. That means you don't have a 6 hit.
To get that 6Hit, you'd need Rose Strap. Meaning you're not using Pole Strap.
You're using Lancer's Pelerine instead of Atheling Mantle which is better.

The whole point is you wanting to use the +2 Hands. The point of that is for 2 things: The 5/5 set bonus, and the 4% DA. You can't get the 5/5 set bonus because you need to use a Haste body piece and a haste leg piece. You gain 4% DA from the hands but you lose 5% DA from not using Pole Grip and Athelling Mantle. A terrible option all togeather

You could use Zeleus Tiara over AF3+2 head. However with Bullwhip and AF3+2 feet you still need 6% more haste. Meaning haste +4 legs, AF3 back and blitz ring.
What you've basically done here is go:
AF3+2 head > Zeleus
Ace's hands > AF3+2
Atheling Mantle > AF3
Whatever ring > Blitz. Let's say Pyrosoul Ring.
Everything else stays the same. Now, let's compare those sets:
You still have 3/5 set bonus. You still have 26% haste. You have a 6hit.
You gain 1% DA and 15 Accuracy. You lose 1-2 fStr and 51 Attack. Accuracy is almost always capped on anything you'd bring Drg too, so you're looking at 1% DA vs 1-2 fStr and 51 Attack. Assuming 7% DA from other sources and how about a 30%TP/20% Jump/50% WS damage split as that heavilly favours the DA over the attack. 1% DA will give 0.9% increase to you're total DoT
Say you have 650 Attack, against an enemy 7 levels above you with 400 Defence. Adding 50 Attack will be a boost of 7.7% to your TP phase, which is 30% of your total DoT, that's a 1.54% increase to your total DoT.

Notice: I didn't take into account the 1-2 fStr you lose.
I used a TP/Jump/WS ratio that favours DA over Attack/Str.
I used a high attack value. With no buffs you're Attack in TP set will be only around 550~ish. This diminishes the affact of +Attack.

So I heavillly favoured the DA and yet it still lost.

In conclusion: You're just wrong.
How does it feel to know that someone who never plays drg, who has worse gear than you is still a better dragoon then you could ever hope to be? You are a shining example of the old phrase "Has all the gear, but has no idea".

Edit: Oh, and I forgot about the newish Haste/DA/TA legs, which you would use in the Ace's hands set alongside blitz ring. At this point the other option is completely beaten into the ground.

Best 6hit TP set for standard lance would probably be AF3+2 head, body and feet, ace's hands, the haste/da/ta legs, bullwhip, atheling, blitz, rajas, brutal and whatever neck and 2nd earring.

I feel that DRG should have a couple perks

1) possibly giving the dragon more than just a breath ws.

2) i think it would be nice if we could tell our pets to attack & return, giving us more options to attack multiple mobs

3) I think Dragons should be able to be called when using it as a sub job

4) though it would probably happen everytime you use a ws make dragon breath attacks skill-chainable

5) Lastly let you drain HP as you hit a mob with a jump attack...

just some thoughts in mind

Wow u wasted a lot of time on that and I'm def not reading that much lol

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Originally Posted by Ophannus

Have just been spamming empyrean item NMs the past week and I've realized DRG doesn't need a dmg buff. From Drakesbane spam with 5hit+Corsesca+2 build I still rip hate off VS MNKs and Ukon WARs especially when the WAR is getting hit+losing hate and I follow up with a triple attack triple crit proc at 500 dmg per hit. The problem comes when I get hate and third eye is wiped in a second or two, leaving my completely defenseless, 3min super jump isn't enough.

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Yeah drg definately need a defensive move for negating some DMg. Wonder if we will get it

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Originally Posted by Anucris

Wow u wasted a lot of time on that and I'm def not reading that much lol

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I'll shorten it down for your simple brain: You lost the argument.
AF3+2 for TP are fail. Every build with AF3+2 hands and 26% haste is shit compared to a 26% Ace's Hands set.

You know, a bigger person would have stepped up and said "Wow, guess you were right. Oh well, now I know" or something similar when someone provided detailed and thought-out infomation and proof to try and show you a better way of playing. There's infomation there which would help you make decisions to become a better drg, yet you want to ignore them? If your ego is so large that you can't admit you were wrong and take the infomation in order to make yourself a better player then that's just too bad.

It amazes me how hard some people find it to actually admit they are wrong.

I'm not wrong. This started because u were rude then I bragged about having full +2 and knew u didn't from a diff post and u got upset. I tp in af3 head, body, feet, dusk+1 gloves, aces pants and goading. I'm waiting on the fuzhelm body from voidwatch boss for 26%. So I deal with 24 for now unless I just want to use more. But yeah ur just beating a dead hoarse by saying haste is good. No sh*t sherlock. I just been jerking ur chain cause u must have something shoved way up ur rear and act like a butthole. Ur info is usually good tho. Common sense but good. Troll. Some drg with full +2 just like playing around with it sometimes like while farming dark rings. Not everything is life and death

I took issue with you stating 5/5 af+2 is fine as if it was. I could give a shit about what you do playing about. The problem is when you spout bullshit like that on a forum where other people come to read and get advice. If you said "i play about in it" I couldn't have cared less, but just sating it's good or fine is a irresponsible thing to do if you know better.

Also why do you use Goading? Are you using other STP options to make a 5 hit? If not then use Bullwhip. It's stupid easy to get.

I got a bullwhip. My LS got me one I usually use it on LS runs for serious time but I'm usually stuck rdm. Otherwise I want that body to use with goading so as to at least get away from those negatives. And yeah I got tp+12 lance which u can build 5 hit with. Is really good even though it lacks in some areas

Of course my empyrean isn't done or I'd be using it. Will have it soon tho. Sorry bout the 5/5 af3 thing thought it was understood u would just be messing around in it.

Some kind of self buff or debuff on enemy that increases damage that isn't Angon would be nice. For example Konzen-ittai is such a powerful JA for SAM and it's a 3 min cool down. If SAM can Konzen-ittai+Fudo for 3k dmg with 3k light then Fudo again for 3kdmg with 4k light, then by comparison Soul/Spirit Jump need to be like 1 min recasts to make the damage comparable. Or give DRG some kind of Attack+ boost JA like Berserk. Even Tier2 Wyvern breaths that do 2-3x the amount of damage they do now. Seriously SAM is bannanas with Konzen-ittai, that move should have been a 10min recast, 3 minutes is insane for a self SC considering SAM can already self SC with Sekka and/or meditate.

For DRG how about a JA that once activated allows the next multi hit weapon skill to get full TP back from additional hits after the first. This harkens back to pre Penta nerf DRG when Penta gave 16%TP on the first hit and 16% for each hit afterward which was then nerfed to full TP for first hit and 1 tp for hits after. Give it a 3min recast so DRG can Drakesbane and get 80% TP back from it then we can WS shortly again after. Another option is to give DRG multiple "Save TP" traits. This trait exists but only with certain Atmas, and it gives +10 TP back on any WS you use and procs 100% of the time and differs from Conserve TP which randomly gives back a random amount of TP.

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Originally Posted by Anucris

Of course my empyrean isn't done or I'd be using it. Will have it soon tho. Sorry bout the 5/5 af3 thing thought it was understood u would just be messing around in it.

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I'm just really anal about two things: firstly, that more difficult to obtain, yet worse options are ok over easy alternatives for anything other than messing about (The mis-understanding we have). And secondly, people who post interpretations and guesses as facts. Both simply because when you look at it as a newbie coming to look around and get infomation, the infomation they get will be bad and/or misleading.

Just not that many newbies these days. The ones who r usually have played before and r just starting back. But yeah I get what u mean

Yeah Ophannus that would be cool. Even a trait that gives 10 tp back per xtra hit. Say first gives regular tp then 3-4 more hits ur setting at 46-56 tp would be cool. And maybe it would work as a multiplier on ws like CT where u get 3x the tp back cause it's 3-fold. So like 48 tp. And then that random conserve tp trait we got could just be icing on the cake when it kicks in popping us up to 60-90 tp not like it triggers that often(I don't know the %). This would lvl drg back out with sam. But since drg are meant to hit harder but not quite as often than sam a DMg boost might seem more likely. Finally

For the next patch I'd like some kind of sustained effect JA for DRG as the only sustained effect JA we have is Ancient Circle. WAR can pop Berserk,Blood Rage,Retaliation,Aggressor,Restraint before a fight to buff themselves up, DRG has nothing to use on itself to buff up before a fight. Something like Berserk for DRG that lower Wyvern Breath accuracy or would be like Sabre Dance but give +Att or Haste at the cost of locking breaths or something would be totally great for HNM fights.

Would personally love some kind of JA like Berserk though since DRG mainly subs SAM for survivability and 5hit while SAM subs WAR and gets DA/Berserk and WAR main subs SAM and benefits from both job's abilities. DRK subs SAM too but they have +Att boosting JA/traits. In comparison DRG's Attack rating is average because we dont have Attack Bonus VI like DRK and we don't have Berserk like SAM/WARs and WAR/SAMs or MNK/WARs.

You could argue "Well then if you want Berserk, then sub /WAR!" but the thing is MNK, and SAM all use Warrior subjob because their MAIN job has abilities to mitigate damage via Counter/Guard/Seigan etc... DRK subs SAM but they have +Attack traits and +Attack JA's and Dread Spikes on their main job. DRG lacks those abilities so we rely heavily on Seigan from /SAM. From this, we lack any attack boosting abilities like Berserk/Warcry/Last Resort/ that MNK,DRK,SAM get from using /WAR or their main job.

Dragon Rage
Duration 3 minutes
Recast 5 minutes
Enhances attack but renders Healing Breaths unusable.
(Attack +20%)

Dragon Skin
Duration 3 minutes
Recast 5 minutes
Reduces physical damage taken and increases enmity but renders Elemental Breaths unusable. (Physical damage reduction gradually decreases with each hit taken. )



The above abilities would allow for DRG to sub /SAM and benefit from a way to increase our attack or defense abilities just like how WAR/SAM SAM/WAR DRK/SAM MNK/WAR can.

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Originally Posted by Ophannus

Would personally love some kind of JA like Berserk though since DRG mainly subs SAM for survivability

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I sub /Sam for Hasso.

Other melee that sub SAM get Hasso too but also have Berserk/Souleater/Last Resort/Blood Rage/Retaliation to further enhance their attack and have other non merit abilities they can pop before a WS to enhance the damage. Would be nice to get a single sustained effect buff to use during our TP phase to enhance Attack or +JA Haste. Why should only SAM get a JA haste, their specialty is WS/SCing. Give DRG a 1 min duration 3 min recast +15% Haste boost or something. Or to be in more line with the job, give buff breaths to our wyvern that enhance our attack/accuracy or haste to add a further incentive to keep our wyverns alive. Maybe a "Wyvern's Favor" type ability, increases the DRG's attack/accuracy/attacks speed but at the cost of weaker breaths, or another one that lowers Jump recasts but slows wyvern delay/attack.

Dragoon already has a (now infinite duration) job ability which adds 1~140+ damage per swing, 1~400+ damage per weapon skill, 1~400+ damage every minute, Cure V every minute, an extra source of TP and makes Jumps 100% critical hit.
It's called Call Wyvern, look it up some time.

Actually Jumps as well can count towards reasons why Dragons shouldn't get a stance ability that everyone seems to want. Sure they're not actual stances, but all other stances like Hasso and Berserk do is increase your damage or haste for a time, Jumps deal damage and are brilliant sources of TP (haste being there to increase your melee speed adn thus TP gain) - and not exactly a low amount these days - which is basically what stances boil down to. Jumps give you 20~60TP these days depending on Double/Triple attack and I very regularly see 800~1,2k damage ones even outside Abyssea, all that happens instantly where as the haste and str from Hasso is going to take hours to ever match that kind of damage and TP boost, hours in which Dragoon could have done well over 30 more and that's just only counting one Jump when you have access to two. Even if you take low end numbers like ~20TP and ~400 damage, Spirit/Soul Jump far out do any stance ability in the game. Berserk is typically only used for weapon skills, and I'm fairly certain Elemental Breath can make up for that when they Wyvern isn't dying, with Elemental Breath being something you can spam every minute and every weapon skill I think it will far exceed Berserk in terms of damage after this update.
Dragoon gets at least three job abilities that increase its potential greatly while taking nothing away from it, aside from Super Jump - which is defensive - no damaging Jump has a draw back like -defense on Berserk and Call Wyvern does the absolute opposite of taking something away from the job and adds a curative element to it. Dragoon already has by far the most unique and best stance ability in the game; assuming this update makes Wyvern survivability a reality, Dragoon is pretty much complete short of Super-Mega-Ultra Jump at Lv.99.

Only thing I can possibly ask for at this point is Lancet, and not the crappy classic HP/MP drain move that has absolutely no place in FFXI (unless they add a new merit system where you need a job leveled to unlock an ability, but the ability is not limited to that job). A pet command that deals damage and drains HP and TP to the Wyvern. HP and TP are great for stronger Elemental Breath, TP is great for Healing Breath and the TP is also potentially useful for TP gain via Spirit Link. It would be a relatively small buff that would be very useful.

At the very least I want some kind of defense bonus for DRG main. Something like Fan Dance or Sentinel because besides a 3min super jump DRG has nothing for defense as a main, every other melee has *something* defensive or damage mitigating. Even Retaliation counts as the counter gives TP which ends the battle sooner and thus reduces damage taken. Case and point watch how a Ukon WAR with Retaliation acts as Damage Mitigation against a Hundred Fists Chloris.

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Originally Posted by Ophannus

At the very least I want some kind of defense bonus for DRG main. Something like Fan Dance or Sentinel because besides a 3min super jump DRG has nothing for defense as a main, every other melee has *something* defensive or damage mitigating. Even Retaliation counts as the counter gives TP which ends the battle sooner and thus reduces damage taken. Case and point watch how a Ukon WAR with Retaliation acts as Damage Mitigation against a Hundred Fists Chloris.

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No they don't. Dark Knight, Ranger and Thief have nothing natively to my knowledge. If Hide/Camouflage count, so does Super Jump. If Dread Spikes/Drains count, so does Healing Breath. Besides that, Dragoon isn't meant to be a tank, so I see no reason why it should have the ability to act as such. Rather than damage mitigation we have hate mitigation so the only possible way you should die on Dragoon is through AoE moves, and with a sturdy Wyvern and regular Healing Breaths that's impossible even if your mages are ignoring you.

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No they don't. Dark Knight, Ranger and Thief have nothing natively to my knowledge. If Hide/Camouflage count, so does Super Jump. If Dread Spikes/Drains count, so does Healing Breath. Besides that, Dragoon isn't meant to be a tank, so I see no reason why it should have the ability to act as such. Rather than damage mitigation we have hate mitigation so the only possible way you should die on Dragoon is through AoE moves, and with a sturdy Wyvern and regular Healing Breaths that's impossible even if your mages are ignoring you.

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Ranger isn't a melee, it's a ranger. Being out of range from AoE/hits. Dread Spikes and Healing Breath are not the same, one mitigates damage, the other restores HP. Dread Spikes are passive like Stoneskin/Phalanx/Sentinel, Healing Breath is not. Thief has A+ evasion and +70 evasion from bonuses, THF can tank easily.

Just because DRG isn't a tank doesn't mean we shouldn't get something to help us not die so easily besides a 3 min hate shed. Last I checked the only 2 tanks in this game are technically NIN and PLD yet SAM and DRK have been able to tank almost every mob in the game with Third Eye/Dread Spikes/Shadows. MNK isn't a tank yet they have Counter/Perfect Counter/Dodge/High Evasion/High HP and Guard. SAM isn't a tank but they can counter and dodge with third eye and have high evasion. WAR has Defender and Retaliation. DRK has Dread Spikes and the difference between /WAR and /SAM is smaller for DRK than it is for DRG since DRK has high att already and plenty of JA/Spells to boost their damage.

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Dragoon already has a (now infinite duration) job ability which adds 1~140+ damage per swing, 1~400+ damage per weapon skill, 1~400+ damage every minute, Cure V every minute, an extra source of TP and makes Jumps 100% critical hit.
It's called Call Wyvern, look it up some time.

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Have you ever fought anything outside of Abyssea as DRG? Wyverns hit NMs for 0-30 damage and mostly miss. Breaths do 20-100 damage on NMs. Restoring Breath is nice but don't forget we can't make it target ourselves meaning it will aim at the lowest HP person in the party before us making it super unreliable. The extra TP from jumps is nice but don't forget their recast. MNK NIN WAR SAM can all get TP just as fast if not faster than DRG just due to faster attack speed and things like Kick Attack/Double Attack/Triple Attack/ZanshinDoubleAttack etc. All of those passive traits that kick in and can be meritted or increased with gear lend to faster and more reliable TP over time than an ability every 90-180 seconds. This is all referring to outside of Abyssea, aka the real FFXI. Wyverns hit for crap on NMs stronger than us remember at 75? At 90, voidwatch NMs are just as strong, if not stronger than NMs outside of Abyssea were to us at 75. Meaning Wyverns hit for 20-50 damage with like a 30% hit rate and Breaths get 1/16 and 1/8 resists almost every time.

i hate when pple exaggerate jobs capabilities or list Top notch ideal stats when not every fight is an EP BIRD mob with +50%DA and 1000 HB with 0 delay from casting the spell till the cure hits the drg. (this not directed at anyone i just see it all the time.)

Drg could use a dmg mitigation for when wyv get paralyzed/slept/petrified/blah blah... and could use a lil more soloability on tougher mobs.

drg could use an attack buff stance. so when ur doing your 3 WS's in a row they hit that much harder. ws/jumps/ws/SL/ws. or meditate if u go /sam but im /rdm most of the time

drg could use another jump instead. cause well... drg players love jumps and the satisfaction NOW effect that Sotek was talking about... lol 4-5 ws in a row yes please (with da/ta luck)

i like the idea of an ability that does def buff to drg and offensive buff to wyv. (vice versa woulda been nice, but wyv are not gonna need def buff now :). )
thank you SE for that

a lot does rest on the new jumps. and they put us back in the game. not ahead.

and yes our little sidekick is very handy and overlooked

Read the old dev notes. Hasso and Seigan were as much as, if not more, of an update to the /Sam sub for other jobs as it was to Sam main.

Yes, a sustained effect ability would be more, however I think drg's design is that of instant use, instant dmg, instant TP gaining abilities. Not that I agree with the concept. I would love to see DRG abilities from previous FFs, and sustained abilities as well. After all, my love for drgaoon stemmed from Freya in FF9 who had heaps of cool and unusual abilities.

DRG hardly had abilities in old games. Lancet/Lancer/Dragon Sword exist in FFXI as "Spirit Surge" just like how Darkness/Dark Wave exist in FFXI as "Souleater". The only other abilities from past Dragoons would be FFT/FFTA/FF9 stuff .

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Originally Posted by Sotek

No they don't. Dark Knight, Ranger and Thief have nothing natively to my knowledge. If Hide/Camouflage count, so does Super Jump. If Dread Spikes/Drains count, so does Healing Breath. Besides that, Dragoon isn't meant to be a tank, so I see no reason why it should have the ability to act as such. Rather than damage mitigation we have hate mitigation so the only possible way you should die on Dragoon is through AoE moves, and with a sturdy Wyvern and regular Healing Breaths that's impossible even if your mages are ignoring you.

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My 447 base evasion naked would like a word with you.

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Originally Posted by Ophannus

DRG hardly had abilities in old games. Lancet/Lancer/Dragon Sword exist in FFXI as "Spirit Surge" just like how Darkness/Dark Wave exist in FFXI as "Souleater". The only other abilities from past Dragoons would be FFT/FFTA/FF9 stuff .

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Almost every job had hardly any abilities in earlier games, it wasn't just Dragoon. Excluding magic of course.