New Roadmap and FFXI's direction

The players they are losing due to stupid updates are mostly the players that have put in thousands of dollars each into this game over the last 10 years, who would love to continue playing, but have run out of things to do.

Abyssea attracts "ADDHD" players, who will likely quit within this year once they finish their emp in a week and get full AF3+2 in a couple of days.

"Well that was fun while it lasted, but now I'm just sitting in PJ waiting for a VW shout because I have nothing else to do to advance my character."

Then when you get that VW group, they're either wankers who have no idea what's going on or a tried and tested bunch of players who have been doing the same event only for the same 5 people to continue getting all the drops for all the wrong jobs.

That's losing them money. Money they can't spend on FFXI, or FFXIV, or FFXIII-2, or FFXIII Versus, or Chocobo jumps on your iPhone, or any of the other completely waste of time things they've done with themselves the last 5 years.

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Abyssea attracts "ADDHD" players, who will likely quit within this year once they finish their emp in a week and get full AF3+2 in a couple of days.

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At one time that was my diagnosis (Now it's AS instead), but I certainly didn't get some shiny and quit within a year. Be careful how you label people. Not to say that no one who has played this game was as you describe, of course, but just because someone is autistic/aspie/ADD/ADHD doesn't automatically mean what you say. Often such people find an activity that "clicks" with them and they are able to focus on it intently (though often to their detriment, as with anything done in excess...).

I've been playing since about 3-4 weeks after the NA release. It's taken to this point where I'm in basically the same position as you: Looking for some kind of real new content that is both interesting and doesn't have to be spammed 100,000 times to get what you want.

Funny how the forum went form "waaah abyssea is to easy to get good gear" to "waah voidwatch is to hard to get good gear"

That's what FFXI needs: Pandas.

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Originally Posted by Leonlionheart

The players they are losing due to stupid updates are mostly the players that have put in thousands of dollars each into this game over the last 10 years, who would love to continue playing, but have run out of things to do.

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That's an interesting observation. When did you get access to Square Enix's records?

Personally, I'm still trying to finish off some mission lines, then I'll probably quit, since without new areas and new storyline, the game doesn't offer much to me.

However, I am not so arrogant that I believe that the majority feels the same way, or that my departure would be some sort of death knell for FFXI. It would be one subscriber who no longer wishes to play FFXI, and cancels his account. That's all. It has no predictive value. Only Square Enix, with their market data, can make remotely accurate reports on what drives away players.

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Originally Posted by Zarchery

That's an interesting observation. When did you get access to Square Enix's records?

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Not hard to figure out that 12.95 per month for 10 years = $1,295.
+50 for initial purchase
+40 for CoP
+40 for ToAU
+40 for WotG
+30 for ACP, MKE, ASA
+30 for Abyssea
So we're looking at players who bought everything as it came out pouring $1,500 into a game that SE is driving into the pig's slop

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Originally Posted by Zarchery

Personally, I'm still trying to finish off some mission lines, then I'll probably quit, since without new areas and new storyline, the game doesn't offer much to me.

However, I am not so arrogant that I believe that the majority feels the same way, or that my departure would be some sort of death knell for FFXI. It would be one subscriber who no longer wishes to play FFXI, and cancels his account. That's all. It has no predictive value. Only Square Enix, with their market data, can make remotely accurate reports on what drives away players.

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Kinda a bit of logic if you can figure out that there's tons of players leaving since heroes of abyssea came out because updates are totally useless

WAH more crying over things that haven't happened yet. It all looks great to me see ya next month with another i quit thread at the end of that month.

ITT: People who think SE will make decisions that benefit players

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

That's what FFXI needs: Pandas.

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They took away my Pandas, Sooo wrong! ; ;

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Originally Posted by Leonlionheart

Not hard to figure out that 12.95 per month for 10 years = $1,295.
+50 for initial purchase
+40 for CoP
+40 for ToAU
+40 for WotG
+30 for ACP, MKE, ASA
+30 for Abyssea
So we're looking at players who bought everything as it came out pouring $1,500 into a game that SE is driving into the pig's slop



Kinda a bit of logic if you can figure out that there's tons of players leaving since heroes of abyssea came out because updates are totally useless

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Right, I want to know how all these players have been able to get away with only paying for 10 months of the year! (it's actually $1554 for 10 years, assuming you have 1 account and no mules)


@ Krashport: <3 the new trailer for Kung Fu Panda 3^^

Idk why anyone would defend Square at all on cutting our games budget and dev team while still charging us the same subscription fee, they are stiffing us and people complaining about it are being made light of. Everyone should be pissed about getting crappier service at the same price due to them pumping money into another title most of us probably won't ever play anyway.

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Funny how the forum went form "waaah abyssea is to easy to get good gear" to "waah voidwatch is to hard to get good gear"

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I think people wanted fights that required more strategy and larger groups (some of the newer voidwatch fights fit this category), not stupid rare drop rates. Nobody ever wants this kind of stupidity (unless you lucked out with a drop and don't want anyone else to ever get it ofc). It's not a crime to expect a decent amount of reward for your effort, don't have to be handed to you on a plate but the current system is an extreme that puts people off.

I would of been happier if Voidwatch fights were harder but drops more sensible, right now the fights are kinda fun but the drops are laughably rare and random to get. It's not only beating the .1% odds but getting the piece on the correct char too. There is no pride in base Voidwatch body drops at all, the fights can be cleared with pickups and most of the bodies I see are on mules lol.

If they want to make these things more about difficulty then add a tier option when you pop, 2nd tier giving far higher drop rates but more difficult fights. There is no defending Voidwatch drop system, it was done only as a massive timesink due to them cutting investment in our game and nothing else. Just cause players asked for more difficulty doesn't condone this kind of crap.

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People need to realize that before Abyssea, the game wasn't hard, it was merely time consuming. From a design standpoint, Abyssea solved a lot of the issues that had been holding FFXI down for several years. The only reason it took so long to do anything in sky wasn't because it was challenging, it was because some of the triggers had 6+ hour repops and there were multiple guilds camping them. Most people in sky shells afk'd just as much as people in Abyssea parties do now, because shell points systems demanded they be in attendance, but there wasn't always enough room in the alliance to fit them in. The single biggest flaw with item progression in old FFXI was that regardless of time spent, there was always a chance that you would never make progress with your character gear-wise, there were too many variables both in and out of game. Maybe the item you were looking for never dropped, or maybe it did, and shell rules screwed you out of lotting it. Abyssea fixes that problem.

Crimsontears said in their post that now several of the people they know just idle in Jeuno because they have nothing better to do, but that's something that has always happened. Years ago on my original character, I did the same thing because the only fights I needed were monsters that spawned once every 3-7 days. There was no other reason for me to log in.

The way I see it currently is that Abyssea is above all else a much needed (and very overdue) gear reset, to level the playing field so the development team can focus on developing content that requires abyssea-level gear. While voidwatch is still in need of some heavy re-tuning, it shows that the development team is now focused on providing content that is aimed for players with powerful equipment.

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http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/26...012/4/#1593239

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Originally Posted by Babekeke

Right, I want to know how all these players have been able to get away with only paying for 10 months of the year! (it's actually $1554 for 10 years, assuming you have 1 account and no mules)


@ Krashport: <3 the new trailer for Kung Fu Panda 3^^

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lol oh hey you're right

You can't feed people shit sandwiches for 8 years, change to BLTs for the past two and then go back to shit sandwiches again.

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Originally Posted by Leonlionheart

Kinda a bit of logic if you can figure out that there's tons of players leaving since heroes of abyssea came out because updates are totally useless

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Please tell me where you have evidence that "tons of players" are leaving. Without access to SE's records, all you have is speculation and "if I don't like the latest fad, I don't like the game, therefore nobody else does".

ITT: Crybabies.

Seriously, people are hating on new expansions to some of the game's best content made (Limbus and Nyzul), tons of new content, and job adjustments.

People don't even know what the new events are, hell they don't even have a provisional name for the dungeon crawling event and people are already crying about it.

The official forums are the joke of the FFXI community because of people like that.

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Originally Posted by Zarchery

Please tell me where you have evidence that "tons of players" are leaving. Without access to SE's records, all you have is speculation and "if I don't like the latest fad, I don't like the game, therefore nobody else does".

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My LS went from a dozen of the best players I've ever played with to 3, and the server is full of shotty players who will quit within the month (you said so yourself you were going to quit soon).

I noticed a reoccurring trend of 500~1k+ posters disappearing from these forums (kingfury where are you)

Most of the people leaving won't QQ, they'll just get bored and find something else to do without saying a word. Did this myself before Abyssea had come out

Obviously no hard numbers, but server dropping from 3.3k prime time to 2.8k is more evidence

not hard to figure this stuff out really

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Originally Posted by katoplepa

http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/26...012/4/#1593239

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that post is probably the best thing I've ever read on any forum about ffxi

cannot describe how perfect it sums up ffxi's problems and Abyssea's glory

2012 isn't the year to be slacking, a lot of powerful titles are coming and for the first time in years the MMO market is about to really get competitive. You can't honestly expect this roadmap is going to be strong enough to make players stick with your product with all the stuff around the corner coming plus each XIV patch is becoming more epic than the last.

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Originally Posted by Molech

around the corner coming plus each XIV patch is becoming more epic than the last.

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I don't think FFXIV going to be that epic seeing PS3 is almost an outdated console, I give FFXIV 1 year after the PS3 release then watch Sony come out w/ PS4 leaving the PC players in the same shadow where us FFXI PC players are.

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Originally Posted by Krashport

I don't think FFXIV going to be that epic seeing PS3 is almost an outdated console, I give FFXIV 1 year after the PS3 release then watch Sony come out w/ PS4 leaving the PC players in the same shadow where us FFXI PC players are.

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considering PS3 has nearly 0 limiting factors (why game developers actually perfer it over 360), I doubt it

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Originally Posted by Leonlionheart

considering PS3 has nearly 0 limiting factors (why game developers actually perfer it over 360), I doubt it

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Everything ages over time but you can always update/upgrade a PC; PCs can have processors with 6 cores now, Video cards on PCs will always over power the consoles.. The list goes on. By saying that the PS3 has 0 limiting factors its wrong it has one from the start and its a big one, main limiting factors "Its a console".

Edit: I'm not a console hater, I just like to up my resources! ^^b

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Originally Posted by Leonlionheart

considering PS3 has nearly 0 limiting factors (why game developers actually perfer it over 360), I doubt it

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This is a lie. The PS3 is a pain in the ass to program for. You have to split your rendering code between the SPE's in the cell processor and the GPU (technically speaking the PS3's GPU is less powerful than the 360's, but the Cell processor's SPE's can make that up). The Cell processor itself is horrible to program for, the SPE's have extremely tiny buffers and the timing in your code has to be perfect or everything bottlenecks.

The PS3 might be somewhat more powerful overall than the 360, but the 360 is much, much easier to program. (and the 360 isn't that much less powerful, the main reason most 360 games are 720p is because it's GPU renders the screen to framebuffer RAM on the GPU which isn't large enough to hold the entire screen so it has to render the screen in tiles. In theory this is faster than rendering the screen to external GDDR but at 1080p there are so many tiles that collating them starts to negate the speed advantage from internal rendering)

difficulty to program isn't a limiting factor

Time and money certainly are.

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Originally Posted by Leonlionheart

difficulty to program isn't a limiting factor

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How so or is that just your opinion, and are you just assuming?

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre

Time and money certainly are.

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this

I'm just nit picking around the subject

Unless the PS4 uses a completely different system and therefore can't play PS3 games, there shouldn't be an issue anyway. What LLH referred to as '0 limiting factors' are things like: max inv slots, max macro lines, max # of maps and all the other good stuff that the PS2 is limited to.
As long as the game still works on PS3 in 10 years time without being limited by factors such as these, everything can keep moving forward. If the graphics become too powerful or something so it becomes slow/juddery this shouldn't stop new content, just make SE recommend upgrading to a PS4 :)

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unless the PS4 uses a completely different system and therefore can't play PS3 games

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They might use a newer Cell processor in the PS4. Sony was one of the major partners in it's development and without the PS3 the Cell would have been a massive failure. In the high end computing market GPGPU and custom ASICS do the jobs it was intended for better and for less money.

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Originally Posted by Ryce

Have they posted any details on Dungeon Crawling before? I have not seen them. High hopes that this is a fun event. Maybe with some element of randomness and some unique battle situations. Give me a reason to stay the course and build my Empys.

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Agreed. If it's anything like campaign battle, nyzul isle, beseiged etc, I'm all about it. I'm a huge fan of the alternate battle systems/exploring.

I really do hope "The Last Stand" has some story to it.

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Originally Posted by Leonlionheart

You can get a relic95 for what, 150m now, straight buying it and spending a handful of days on the trials (Probably about the same amount of time on those trials as on the pre-trials for emps).

To completely buy yourself into lets say a Verethragna 95, it would cost between 175mil and 225mil, assumign 100k plates, and 500k KI popsets(Not rare on asura, specially for chloris popsets). You'd be lucky to find an abundance of 100k plates.

Mythics are still the worst at 300~600mil and 9months of work

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This is why I think that the 95-99 stage for relics is going to be "bring back a 10k byne bill, a stripeshell and a goldpiece"

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Originally Posted by Atomic_Skull

This is why I think that the 95-99 stage for relics is going to be "bring back a 10k byne bill, a stripeshell and a goldpiece"

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I would RMT my character for a 1 way ticket to Japan and some black market C4.

SE is going to make the Lv.99 trials for Emps, Relics, and Mythics harder then getting a 75 mythic. Empryeans will require 100,000 Won'tbedropping plates. Relics will require a 100,000 Byne Bill, D. Platinumpiece, or S. Prismaticshell, requiring you to get 100 10,000's. Mythics will require an Auroral Alexanderite that is equal to 100,000 singles.

At 99 they will add a forth set of weapons that are far better then all 3 and 100 times easier to make.

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Originally Posted by Zarchery

Please tell me where you have evidence that "tons of players" are leaving. Without access to SE's records, all you have is speculation and "if I don't like the latest fad, I don't like the game, therefore nobody else does".

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The only evidence I need is /sea. It's not hard to prove to yourself that this game's population suffers when the prime time pops have been cut in half in a year+. It really has lost quite a few players in recent years. They've done server merges. Another is well on it's way if the current trend holds. It's not a secret, really.

the amount of q.q in this thread is amazing
boohoo I duel boxed bronagi and now I cant duel box the next stage waaahhhh
yeah voidwatch fights are great but loot system is a total shitfest im sure devs know about this and are trying to find some kind of middle ground to save face. but be a sport and let them find way.

hell didn't they just announce that they looking for new blood to work on this game?

btw man up and game on a PC. PS3 pfft (in before comfy couch argument)

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Originally Posted by Molech

Game went from fun with abyssea to flat out borefest low droprate extravaganza of the past. I cancelled earlier in the week, I chased low drop rates from kings for 5+ years and you could throw salvage into the mix when that came out and want no parts in doing it again.

Sorry dev's, VW concept is average at best, the loot system/drop rates are terrible, the event is just one of those things that could of been cool if executed properly but you can take that system and shove it where the sun don't shine.

Voidwatch is fun the first few times you do it but when you actually want something from it then it becomes so frustrating, not fun, chore. I just love getting logs/ore with capped light spectrum, I mean come on, every player dreams of getting worthless loot for their time investment, right?

Absolute second rate content, the sad thing is SE will probably adjust it 10 months down the line when nobody cares to do it anymore.

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LOL "You've saved the world, countless times, and slayed a voidwalker!!!! HAVE A BONE CHIP!!!!"

If you want to do the new content Either you like voidwatch or you don't. I guess you have the option of grinding out full AF3+2 sets for all your jobs along with more level 90 Empyrean weapons.

People grinded sky for 7 years and abyssea only been out for like 1. So I can see the average FFXI player continuing to do abyssea. Even with little new content people will still pay for FFXI.

Drop rates are low because you can pop the NM as many times as you want. I guarantee that if SE increases the drop rate they will also change it so that it eats your atmacite and you have to re climb the tiers to pop it again.

I can hear the objections to this now: "Oh no, SE would never do something like that!"

Of course they would, don't be stupid.

I'm going to save my comments about FFXI direction until after the next update. I am concerned about the term used for The Last Stand and that its been in the dat for a long time now. I hope I haven't been grinding out empyreans for a weak 99 endgame. One would think with all the content abyssea offered, and gear, that it was to prepare players for a large, final add on with 99 endgame in mind. Hopefully these updates are just that, fillers, and that after the 6 month roadmap is completed, the next roadmap reveals a true future. I am all for updating the old content, and I like VW and will probably enjoy the last stand and maybe dungeon crawling, but I think everyone NEEDS another add on to take all this gear grinding hard work and do something with it. Even a statement by SE that, yes, in the future (with a release date unknown) once 14 is 2.o worthy, 11 will be seeing a final add on that is 99 content approved with endgame.