Final Fantasy XI 2.0

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Originally Posted by Runespider

Square aren't working on these games in terms of strict business sense, it's all about saving face.

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In this instance, these two things probaly go hand in hand. Having your flagship title be completely canceled would have a large negative impact on the company's image. Successfully recovering FFXIV would probably increase their stock by a good amount.

I guess some people missed page 4, where they say they're using a new graphics engine, redesigning the maps, reworking the game's architecture, changing the UI, AND adding content. FFXI would only have needed the first, third, and last to be re-release worthy.

Basically, re-releasing either game is a shitton of work. They picked the wrong one from a business sense. Re-releasing FFXI v2.0, where all the old kings bullshit is gone and new gear is important, but there are still old things around if you want to do them, would have gotten a huge boost from nostalgic gamers. Toss some hot graphics on the top, swap PS2 for PS3, and you could have had a lot of serious players again. Their decision to do it for FFXIV (which really has no potential for success) is, in a word, dumb. The game may have some appeal in Japan, as I don't know what its competition looks like, but it has no chance of success in international markets unless they promote the hell out of it. SE has always been terrible at promotion abroad, and any promotion they do for this is going to have the "lolFF14" scepter lurking in the background anyway.

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Originally Posted by Leonlionheart

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"not hugely successful" =/= not successful

it also had a rather bad release

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@ Alhanelem also. So you guys are telling me it is better to re release a failed game vs re releasing a successful one? That makes so much sense, I guess that is why PS3 has so many HD remakes of PS2 games, why SE has re released every FF except for 7, 8, and 9. Yup re releasing XIV is a better idea then re releasing XI. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Swords

Eh, subscriber numbers arn't exactly the best thing to use for an argument when it comes to deciding which MMO's are hits or not. For starters most every MMO has a high subscriber rate at launch, not because the games any good but because people just want to check it out. Second, some people quit playing yet still pay for their account, because they don't want to lose their character in case they decide to come back one day. Third you also have to consider how many of those subscribers are mules, craft/gatering bots, RMT, etc. Each of these inflate the subscriber rate exponentially, which is why I always laugh when I see "Over 6 million subscribers" on copies of WoW.

Anyways, if people want to talk on the subject of cutting their losses I'd love to see what people have to say about why Sony didn't just cut their losses when the PS3 bombed harder than FFXIV at launch. I mean they've revised the system like 8 times in the last 5 years dumbing it down to make it more affordable, and now they're just starting to make profit on it.

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Come on bro you can't compare PS3 to a game. Sony knew they would make money over time. I seriously doubt the same will every happen with XIV. The image has been tarnished. If it does it will be the first MMO in history to do so.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Even if it wasn't FFXIV, i'd rather them have dropped the development cost of the game on some other new title, than a overaul to FFXI. From a business standpoint a new product makes way more sense.

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There has been tons of remakes of SUCCESSFUL games just take a look at the PS3 catalog or even the FF series.

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Originally Posted by Yugl

Psychological reason: When you make grand investments into projects and they don't pay off, you're less likely to abandon them than if you invested less.

Business reason: SE had planned this from the beginning. They are not psychic; they cannot tell what players want, generically, from an MMO (Generically does not mean "Hey, give me WAR buffs!"). They allowed players, without monthly fees, to play the game and find flaws with the system. SE acted accordingly. The whole process is to release half a product and then gradually build the rest of the product up with the help of the player base. It's similar to hiring a group of players to develop the game alongside the development team, but is cheaper and avoids psychological biases that might emerge had the players been paid. Consequently, once SE feels they have adequately understood what their game needs, they are able to begin charging players (Build revenue) with the promise of enhanced gameplay (Prevents people from leaving).

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Well they shouldn't have released that product to the public. People have betas for a reason. Look at The Old Republic, has been in beta since early last year and still has not released.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

FFXIV has come a long way in a year too. That being said, the finickier gamers of today aren't taking notice and just blasting it on the basis of the weak launch, as if there's no way it could have improved in this time.

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Every single change they've made during this past year, AND up through the next, should have been done before release, PERIOD. SE showed absolute negligence in XIV's creation. They lost the trust of their supporters by releasing a game barely fit to be called an alpha to the public. I personally paid $80 for the CE and I won't be spending another dime on XIV just on principle.

Long story short, don't even try to make it sound like it's the gamer's fault.

I'm sorry, but the only people who want an FFXI 2.0 are the people still playing it. I have a lot of friends who had their fill of XI and quit years ago. Not one of them are going around thinking, "Gosh, I sure would love a polished up XI so I can go back and do content I've already done with prettier graphics." They've played the game, they're satisfied with their progress, and they're not coming back. New players? Forget it - it's been eight years. That time has come and gone; people have already passed it up for one reason or another, and are even less likely to touch a reboot than ex-players. Maybe - MAYBE - it could be profitable in another ten years, but we're still dealing with the same generation that skipped FFXI to play WoW.

Say what you will about XIV, but expecting an XI-2 to happen is a pipe dream. The only thing I'm really expecting at this point is a lower monthly subscription. We've been paying for XIV all year. Now that they're charging XIV players, I better not be paying as much for XI as I did three years ago for a fraction of the update size. Especially when I'm seeing the juggernaut updates XIV is getting for the same fee.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Relaunches are not unprecedented.

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Successful relaunches are unprecedented however.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

There are MULTIPLE other games out there that didn't launch great and later reinvented themselves and gained new players.

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Name them.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

They've already done half the work they need to get to their goal, to abandon it now would be even more of a colossal waste than if they never made the attempt in the first place.

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That is the type of thinking that causes companies to go bankrupt. When a project has failed you are better off cutting your looses and terminating the project rather than risking even higher losses by continuing to throw money at it in the hope you can eventually turn it around.

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Originally Posted by Leonlionheart

Revamping FFXIV, which still has a chance and is not limited by a rather ... complete trash game engine is the better business choice.

Don't expect miracles, but expect more than you ever could with the limited abilities of FFXI's core

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You did read the part where they said they were completely replacing FFXIV's graphics engine in 2.0 right?

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Originally Posted by Leonlionheart

revamping an old investment that has payed for itself and has been dying at a steady rate for years and has a "technological cap" that won't allow furthering it greatly without a complete rewrite of the game engine

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Again, they said they'd be replacing the graphics engine and server end software in FFXIV 2.0 They are literally developing a new game from the ground up and just reusing the same textures and models.

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Originally Posted by Reyn

I'm sorry, but the only people who want an FFXI 2.0 are the people still playing it. I have a lot of friends who had their fill of XI and quit years ago. Not one of them are going around thinking, "Gosh, I sure would love a polished up XI so I can go back and do content I've already done with prettier graphics." They've played the game, they're satisfied with their progress, and they're not coming back. New players? Forget it - it's been eight years. That time has come and gone; people have already passed it up for one reason or another, and are even less likely to touch a reboot than ex-players. Maybe - MAYBE - it could be profitable in another ten years, but we're still dealing with the same generation that skipped FFXI to play WoW.

Say what you will about XIV, but expecting an XI-2 to happen is a pipe dream. The only thing I'm really expecting at this point is a lower monthly subscription. We've been paying for XIV all year. Now that they're charging XIV players, I better not be paying as much for XI as I did three years ago for a fraction of the update size. Especially when I'm seeing the juggernaut updates XIV is getting for the same fee.

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EVE Online has proven that a good game with periodic technology updates can continue to increase it's subscribers over the years.

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There has been tons of remakes of SUCCESSFUL games

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It's not a remake if it's the same game played by the same players on the same platforms and there was no interruption of service. Overhaul, perhaps, but you can't brand it a remake as if it were say the DS remake of an old final fantasy game. There's a difference between a "remake" and an upgrade or overhaul.

virtually all of these tons of successful remakes you refer to are offline single player games that everyone who isn't a fan wouldn't know or has forgotten about.

Someone once said that past performance is no guarantee of future performance. That's true whether or not the past performance was good.

Finally, there remains the matter of practicality. SE very well may re-release the game under the PS2 classics or follow through on that supposed rumor to release it on the PS Vita. But any of these rereleases are going to be just that, and not an upgrade, overhaul, remake, or anything else. Just adding the game on a new platform.

Of course trying to argue in support of this on a forum for the old game is most likely a futile effort regardless. Most likely, everyone here is of the mind that they shouldn't have attempted to make a new game in the first place, regardless of how good or bad it would have ended up being. Personally though, I'd rather join the cling to the old. It's been a good run, and it will be for at least a little while longer, but eventually, the game will have been milked of all it's worth and a new game, be it XIV or some other game someone else makes will eventually take its place.

(PPS: In reality, SE has more than enough money to devote funds to both projects. If XIV was cancelled, that would NOT suddenly mean that XI gets a ton more money and more developer support.)

(PPPS: I still play XI and I still enjoy it. But I don't feel that XIV nor SE's attempt to improve its quality should be mindlessly shot down.)

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Name them.

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Already named them. Read the thread.

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Successful relaunches are unprecedented however.

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No, they're not. See previously mentioned games that grew after a product revamp and re-promotion/re-branding.

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That is the type of thinking that causes companies to go bankrupt.

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Show me your MBA please. I've never heard a more silly comment. If you've already done 90% of the work on a project, you should just finish it. Even if it doesn't do well, some sales is better than zero sales and throwing everything you invested out the window.

In the MMO world a 1 year old game is an old MMO, there are too many new games coming out soon to worry about a failure of a game for most players. I highly doubt v2 will have much impact at all honestly, outside of the few that already bought it anyway lol

FFXIV will have to be epic beyond cmpare to even have a chance at a 2nd attempt, 1 year is not enough time to do what they are doing because a) they are slow and incompetent b) it just never happens that a failure comes good to the standard required to overcom the massive investment. I don't think they can do it at all but in one year? Have you seen what they accomplished in the last year?

If by some miracle they did turn the game around they would have to massively cut the budget back after it happens because it's just cost them so much money. If you think anything else you haven't been paying attention to FFXI, which is still one of the most successful monthly sub MMOs out there...and they still scrimp us. Most companies would kill to have a playerbase the size of the XI one but they just take us for granted.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

It's not a remake if it's the same game played by the same players on the same platforms and there was no interruption of service. Overhaul, perhaps, but you can't brand it a remake as if it were say the DS remake of an old final fantasy game. There's a difference between a "remake" and an upgrade or overhaul.

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They are replacing the entire graphics engine, all of the zones, the entire UI and all of the gameplay mechanics. It is an entirely new game that reuses the same textures and models. It is a completely different MMO with "FFXIV" slapped onto the title screen. They are even calling it a "reboot".

If that's not a remake then I don't know what is.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Already named them. Read the thread.

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The SWG overhaul was widely considered a failure. DDO and LOTR only got more players because they went FTP. And none of those games were as awful as FFXIV is now.

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If you've already done 90% of the work on a project, you should just finish it. Even if it doesn't do well, some sales is better than zero sales and throwing everything you invested out the window.

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They haven't done 90% of the work though. They are basic starting over again from the ground up. Best case they are 50% done, but probably more like 35-40%. You should not let a failing project get to the 90% mark in the first place.

Valve and Blizzard have both dropped projects partway though because they weren't working out. There is a common factor between these two companies, they both produce consistently good, successful games. If you have a project that is failing throwing good money after bad is not wise.

They have a finish date for the end of 2012/2013. THEY ARE NOT CLOSE TO BEING DONE WITH FFXIV. They are basically rebooting it from the ground up AGAIN. They don't seem to have a problem with abandoning FFXI before it's population even started to dwindle. I don't think it's inconceivable for them to abandon FFXIV half way through. Give that game frickin extremely small dev crews and focus on 11, not the other way around.

Bottom line you don't make sequels to MMOs. They never do well unless it's one of the free ones. And while we can argue until we're blue in the face about how 14 was not a sequel to 11, that's exactly how people view it. 14 only had a shot because of the promise. A FFXI without PS2 limits. Fresh start for SE. People were hopeful. The ball got dropped. I'm sure PS3 will pull in some more JP support in the end but as far as NA goes the game is toast.

Whilst a vamped up FFXI would be nice, all you're really doing is reselling an existing product and yes remakes do sell, I mean I've got Final Fantasy I, II & III and Monkey Island 1 & 2 (also on my Xbox 360) on my iPod and I'm looking forward to the remake of Abe's Oddysee. I've also bought some old games off of Steam too. But it's all pretty much nostalgia for me and I'm not paying a montly subscription to play them and heck remakes and rereleases are cheap to buy.

A remake of an MMORPG would be a big risk because an MMORPG isn't the same as every other game as it's an ongoing subscription and people spend plenty of hours on an MMORPG, I reckon a portion of the current userbase they'd subscribe but they're already subscribed, but at the same time, the drop of console support would lose a number current subscribers, plus folk with below-par PC systems. FFXIV itself requires a powerful system.

FFXI 2.0 would have to be a lot of work too because of the current engine, it was built around the PS2's hardware...a decade ago and it horribly optimised and I suspect over the years different coders have touched it. The XBox 360 and PC versions are ports. But lets say they are able to do it or just use a different engine (and spend the time redoing everything) they'd have to make a lot of content - remoddelling and retexturing content to look more up to date. So it'd be time and money, perhaps more time and money than FFXIV 2.0 will take them.

SE of course would have to ask themselves: will it give us a return? Given the risk of losing a number of current subscribers, would it bring back players to fill the missing gap, attract new ones and increase the userbase? FFXI has been played and tried by many and people have played through the content and I suspect that'll have a huge factor to play. Does the current content have enough of a replay value for somebody to pay a monthly fee? Will a rerelease bring enough new players to make up for it?

Saying that, FFXIV 2.0 is a big risk too, but at least they've got FFXIV's content and all they need to do is build on top of it and improve the content and remarket it. The trouble will be convincing people who have already played it to play again and also to entice people away from the bad reviews, but then, a repackaged and remarketed FFXIV 2.0 could receive a new set of reviews praising it and giving it good publicity. A PS3 release will open up the market for more players as not everybody plays on a souped-up gaming power machine.

Of course, it could just be a flop. I'd hold out and see how good (or how bad) the end result is actually going to be. You never know, SE might actually do something to regain a little bit of their credibility. Saying that, SE thinks FFXIII-2 is a good idea.

It would be stupid to invest that type of money in a 10 year old mmo also.

SE should have canceled ff14 a long time ago but their ego probably got in the way.

According to SE, FFXI has had more than 500k players at some point in its life. Amazingly quite a few years after its initial launch.
http://www.playonline.com/pcd/topics...opics_all.html

I think the joke at the time was to figure out how many of those were RMT, but you can't really make that call with any game.

It's no WoW, but then again... I don't think any game will beat that one any time soon.

I understand FFXI is old at this point, but old games do get some reworks. Ultima Online just celebrated its 14th birthday, and their devs are still developing content for it. This is with Mythic also having two other MMOs running at the same time along side it.

Everquest is still running, and looks like it gets updates of some kind twice a month. They're also on their 17th expansion, soon to be 18th in November (which apparently will raise their level cap and add 12 new zones, among other things). Pretty good for a game that came out in what? 1999?

I don't think FFXI will ever see a complete overhaul, but can we stop punching it in the face with the "You're too old!" line? If SE is smart they'll run both games, and develop for both. This is the best way to gain the most overall subscribers.

As far as FF14 goes... I'll wait until 2013 to see how it all pans out. I still enjoy XI, and will continue to play it for the time being.

I think we would see a very substantial surge of players if they re-released FFXI. The Dev team has addressed many old problems with the game and the nostalgia value is very high. I don't think it would be a case where nostalgic players pick it up again for two weeks and go, "Oh man, now I remember why I quit!" and cancel their subscription. They'd get to level cap (99) in the new way, be able to do all the storylines with a small group of friends (2), and have fun in Abyssea. That's months of content, plus whatever new stuff they add.

Apart from the graphics re-work and stuff I mentioned above, the main thing that they need to do to make the game restart friendly is eliminate the skill up system. Just have people automatically cap skills whenever they hit the next level. XPing isn't an "event" in the game anymore really, so why should skilling up still be an event?

An FFXI 2.0 overhaul would mean the decision to cut out PS2 support, which shoots down the "XI but with prettier graphics" argument. They can afford to redo the entire engine for 14 because they're not currently hampered by a console's limited hardware configuration. Dropping PS2 means they can give us new expansions completely built around level 75-99 content. New places to visit and explore that can lure people back. A new engine could give us more than 80 max inventory spaces in each sack.

I'm beating the oldest drum in the game by pointing the finger at PS2 users, but it's an old drum because it's the most obvious problem.

FFXIV is being rebuild from scratch, it's only keeping the name. All the maps are going to be changed. If you ever played FFXIV after or during beta, everything was laggy due to structural issues, from selling to NPC to using commands during a fight or just walking. They said they rebuild the UI from scratch, as well as the entire video engine and .. the server. The current storyline will also be lost from what I understand (though it was one of the coolest features : the missions and their cutscenes).


I don't think it's ok to do this to FFXI but on the other hand we all would like a less annoying macro system. We need to swap at least 16 slots per macro with a few /wait commands inbetween. I think they have already said that they have plan to revamp the interface. With all the thing they announced with FFXIV and the poll about hardware, we can expect a PC upgrade soon for the UI at least. Other than that I think the graphics are ok as is. It's not awesome but it's still very realistic and quite pretty. We would also need the ability to multibox with an official tool... and faster login obviously ... ala FFXIV.

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Originally Posted by Saefinn

Whilst a vamped up FFXI would be nice, all you're really doing is reselling an existing product and yes remakes do sell, I mean I've got Final Fantasy I, II & III and Monkey Island 1 & 2 (also on my Xbox 360) on my iPod and I'm looking forward to the remake of Abe's Oddysee. I've also bought some old games off of Steam too. But it's all pretty much nostalgia for me and I'm not paying a montly subscription to play them and heck remakes and rereleases are cheap to buy.

A remake of an MMORPG would be a big risk because an MMORPG isn't the same as every other game as it's an ongoing subscription and people spend plenty of hours on an MMORPG, I reckon a portion of the current userbase they'd subscribe but they're already subscribed, but at the same time, the drop of console support would lose a number current subscribers, plus folk with below-par PC systems. FFXIV itself requires a powerful system.

FFXI 2.0 would have to be a lot of work too because of the current engine, it was built around the PS2's hardware...a decade ago and it horribly optimised and I suspect over the years different coders have touched it. The XBox 360 and PC versions are ports. But lets say they are able to do it or just use a different engine (and spend the time redoing everything) they'd have to make a lot of content - remoddelling and retexturing content to look more up to date. So it'd be time and money, perhaps more time and money than FFXIV 2.0 will take them.

SE of course would have to ask themselves: will it give us a return? Given the risk of losing a number of current subscribers, would it bring back players to fill the missing gap, attract new ones and increase the userbase? FFXI has been played and tried by many and people have played through the content and I suspect that'll have a huge factor to play. Does the current content have enough of a replay value for somebody to pay a monthly fee? Will a rerelease bring enough new players to make up for it?

Saying that, FFXIV 2.0 is a big risk too, but at least they've got FFXIV's content and all they need to do is build on top of it and improve the content and remarket it. The trouble will be convincing people who have already played it to play again and also to entice people away from the bad reviews, but then, a repackaged and remarketed FFXIV 2.0 could receive a new set of reviews praising it and giving it good publicity. A PS3 release will open up the market for more players as not everybody plays on a souped-up gaming power machine.

Of course, it could just be a flop. I'd hold out and see how good (or how bad) the end result is actually going to be. You never know, SE might actually do something to regain a little bit of their credibility. Saying that, SE thinks FFXIII-2 is a good idea.

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What makes you guys think a XIV remake(basically) will give a return and an XI remake would not? Blizzard did it with WoW.

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Blizzard did it with WoW.

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No they didn't. All they did was release an expansion, along with which they plopped some random steaming piles of lava and deamon around the landscape of the original world.

... Anyway, I don't think people realize what kind of an incredible task it would take to rebuild the FFXI engine, originally built for the PS2, and make it ocmpatible with all the new technology today and at the same time keep it compatible with all the user data both on their servers and our client machines. It's like rebuilding an Edsel to be a late model sports car. Rebuilding FFXIV on the other hand is just rebuilding last year's sports car to be like this year's and ironing out its defects.

To be perfectly honest: I'd love to see a rebuilt FFXI as much as anyone here. Even if they did choose to cancel FFXIV, however, that doesn't suddenly mean they'd start working on an FFXIV rebuild.

Blizzard didn't remake WoW, they've gradually improved the game as they've updated it and as part of an expansion pack they went out reshaped some areas of the game, what they didn't do was go out and completely re-do everything. Plus Blizzard didn't have PS2 limitations to deal with and when people say PS2 limitations they don't JUST mean the fact they still support the PS2 but because of how they've fundamentally built the engine, its built around the PS2 hardware and the XBox 360 and PC versions are ports and pretty bad ones at that - just look at how poorly it performs on the 360. WoW vs FFXI on my laptop has some major differences, WoW performs loads better, although I get 20-30 fps it's a consistent 20-30fps and they've really only had to focus on the PC hardware.

If SE were suddenly to drop PS2 support and improve upon the engine, it would be noble for 360 and PC users and probably would take less work but would hardly constitute as a FFXI 2.0 and wouldn't be a remake. A remake would mean remaking every piece of media in the game and improve upon it and would mean spending more money on 3D modellers and animators, they could probably recycle some stuff from FFXIV like some of the textures, scenery models (like trees) and the models used for character races, but you're still looking at a massive overhaul in terms of media. It would pretty much mean remaking a whole game with all the expansions...in the space of a year. It'd be a bigger (and more expensive) job than FFXIV 2.0.


FFXIV 2.0 could be a major flop like FFXIV 1.0 was, but at least as a FFXIV 2.0 it can be remarketed and rereviewed and be given a second opinion. But it had better be damn good to get people playing it.

You can debate it all you want, but 14 is still crap and will remain crap. They can only manage a meager 30k players when its FREE....
(besides, no self-respecting person wants to play an elvaan that glistens like a gay vampire)

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FFXIV is being rebuild from scratch.

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I still find it amusing the mess they made and what little they did with the 5 years they had and are now saying they are going to redo almost everyting in 12 months. Cute that people believe it, at best it will be 2 years most likely before ps3/v2 launch. No matter how you wanna paint the picture they can't do everything they want to do with the team they have in such a short time. Add to this that they are pretty much in "destroy FFXI population" mode atm and they are going to see profits from this game drop too.

Blizzard could maybe do it and do a good job of something like that but not SE.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

I also wouldn't consider SWG's reinventing a faliure. However, they developed their new game to replace the old game

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I'm sorry but I'm going to call you out on this fallacy. SWG was doing very well at the start and had a huge memberbase which players had access to literally a world do be able to do anything along with if I recall 30+ classes to choose from in an econmy where everything was player controlled.

Sony decided to drop a turd by dropping 30 clases down to 10 and to make things worse, they never told anyone they were doing it. They just did the patch and told people what they did they same day without even consulting the playerbase about it 1st.

Guess what?

subscriptions dropped so damn low so damn fast that even with players screaming at Sony to do a roll-back on an obviously retarded idea, Sony ignored them and still tried to feed it to people that the game had lots of exciting new content with what they did, that they lost damn near 85% of thier subscribers within a month.

SWG in the end was a total failure and I'm glad that game finally got shut down.

Good riddance.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

... Anyway, I don't think people realize what kind of an incredible task it would take to rebuild the FFXI engine, originally built for the PS2, and make it ocmpatible with all the new technology today and at the same time keep it compatible with all the user data both on their servers and our client machines.

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Not as much as you think if they licensed a third party graphics engine such as Gambryo Lightspeed or whatever. You save a huge amount of time and money by using middleware instead of developing everything in house. SE has already done this before with The Last Remnant, it was developed on the Unreal 3 engine using a team that was smaller than the current FFXI team.

Models and textures are just models and textures, you can convert between formats fairly easily (3D modeling is something I have personal experience with) Also many creature models are duplicated in FFXIV and could be taken from there and zone textures could be reused as well. All of the concept art for FFXI's zones exist already, so it's not like you are creating zones completely from scratch either. Duplicating something that already exists is less work than having to design and build it from the ground up.

lol at the thought they would ever make XI-2. if you want something new your best bet is to wait until next year for ff14 2.0

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Originally Posted by tinydog

lol at the thought they would ever make XI-2. if you want something new your best bet is to wait until next year for ff14 2.0

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If you think they can build a complete new FFXIV in one year when 1.0 took them five years then you are kidding yourself. Take off the fanboy colored glasses.

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Not as much as you think if they licensed a third party graphics engine such as Gambryo Lightspeed or whatever.

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They've already licenced third party engines before, and that didn't go well. Also, any third party engine is going to be inherently incompatible with the old game engine and everything, including the art since you'd want to upgrade the graphics, would need to be redone from nothing. So, yes, it would be as much as I think. Already built game engines do speed development for new projects. But there's only so much it can do for an old project. Also, licensing the engine itself would eb a major cost, and when you build your own engine you can be sure it does what you want it to do.

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If you think they can build a complete new FFXIV in one year when 1.0

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It isn't 100% all new. Art assets will be retained (Though some new assets will be needed), core game mechanics will be retained, characters and their data will be retained. Also, they aren't just starting this now. It's been being worked on for months now.

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Originally Posted by Atomic_Skull

If you think they can build a complete new FFXIV in one year when 1.0 took them five years then you are kidding yourself. Take off the fanboy colored glasses.

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Or you could just read what they have as plans. SE themselves announced a complete reconstruction of servers, zone, UI, algorithms and so on. It's pretty much 95% of what makes the game.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

No they didn't. All they did was release an expansion, along with which they plopped some random steaming piles of lava and deamon around the landscape of the original world.

... Anyway, I don't think people realize what kind of an incredible task it would take to rebuild the FFXI engine, originally built for the PS2, and make it ocmpatible with all the new technology today and at the same time keep it compatible with all the user data both on their servers and our client machines. It's like rebuilding an Edsel to be a late model sports car. Rebuilding FFXIV on the other hand is just rebuilding last year's sports car to be like this year's and ironing out its defects.

To be perfectly honest: I'd love to see a rebuilt FFXI as much as anyone here. Even if they did choose to cancel FFXIV, however, that doesn't suddenly mean they'd start working on an FFXIV rebuild.

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Going off topic but in Cataclysm all of Azeroth maps were almost completely redesigned like what they are doing in XIV. It was alot like Rift where they streamlined the quest, you get the quest and can go do it right in the same area instead of walking across the zone to the other side to do it. They also update the graphics engine for higher end PCs.

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Going off topic but in Cataclysm all of Azeroth maps were almost completely redesigned

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I've seen them. They're not redesigned. The layout is still the same. There's just new places to go and people to see.

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Originally Posted by Atomic_Skull

If you think they can build a complete new FFXIV in one year when 1.0 took them five years then you are kidding yourself. Take off the fanboy colored glasses.

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FFXIV 2.0 will have 2 years development before its final release in January 2013.

Contrary to what people say on the FF11/14 forums square have not been working on FFxiv for 5 years. Anyone who knows Square know that when they announce a game with a trailer that does not mean they have started building the game. The Rapture trailer as a result shows somewhere which does not appear in FF14. In fact FF14 began work only a few years before release.

Finally, FFXIV 2.0 is a complete remake, with new assets, but they are reusing some things (all instanced dungeons) which should cut down development time. SE have got to grips with this generation's graphics now, and are quite able to turn around a large game in 2 years, in the same way Assassin's Creed (a fairly large game) can be released every year.

All this hate in this forum.

Why do I continue to come here, I wonder?

Anycase, I really hope people've looked at XIV since 1.19 instead of thinking the game hasn't changed. If you have and then made the call that XI-2 is going to be more successful than XIV 2.0, that's fine.

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Originally Posted by Darkvalkyr

All this hate in this forum.

Why do I continue to come here, I wonder?

Anycase, I really hope people've looked at XIV since 1.19 instead of thinking the game hasn't changed. If you have and then made the call that XI-2 is going to be more successful than XIV 2.0, that's fine.

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I just updated and logged in. Now I am logged out. Will come back when 2.0 hits sometime in 2013.

FFXIV doesn't have ps2 limitations

It's amazing that people with access to Square Enix's balance sheets and market research are members of this forum.