The last, great hope..

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Originally Posted by Vicious

Your tears are delicious.

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Oh shut up.........

Mind your business, kid. Has nothing to do with you.

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Originally Posted by AldielQuetz

The reason I called this the last great hope was because I am done with this forum and all the people that just endlessly want to argue and debate where there is no room for debate.

I posted a call to action, I put suggestions to encourage people that had made similar attempts to have their ideas seen but had failed.

To continue to debate about whether PLD is good or bad, in need of this or that, deserving of spells or not, is completely not the point. That's why I didn't post "Derp, Hey guys, I think PLD needs fixings, what do you think?"

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I don't get it. Is this one of those weird jokes like Andy Kaufman reading from the Great Gatsby for a half hour?

I think what we are witnessing is this guy actually trolling himself.

Probably mentioned before but a real problem for PLDs is the enormous difference between one with Ochain or Aegis and one without. The vastly superior block rate alone ensures that with either of those shields they're miles ahead.

Aegis in particular. Any job can easily cap normal MDT(50%) but only with that shield can they get it to 90% (may aswell be immune to all magic). The Aegis PLD we use for Voidwatch can even tank the T4s weakened with no problem, anything else would just get one-shotted.

Something to close the gap somewhat is probably needed.

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Originally Posted by Alkimi

Probably mentioned before but a real problem for PLDs is the enormous difference between one with Ochain or Aegis and one without. The vastly superior block rate alone ensures that with either of those shields they're miles ahead.

Aegis in particular. Any job can easily cap normal MDT(50%) but only with that shield can they get it to 90% (may aswell be immune to all magic). The Aegis PLD we use for Voidwatch can even tank the T4s weakened with no problem, anything else would just get one-shotted.

Something to close the gap somewhat is probably needed.

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I don't mind closing the gap at all and would encourage it, I just feel that in doing so they need to make those two shields more unique.

For example, the new ability PLD is getting is basically a 1m Ochain every 5m. This doesn't nearly replace an Ochain, but PLD already has a spell that makes them block at Aegis rate, so essentially for 2m straight a PLD can block at the same rate as one of those two shields.

I don't know what to add on to Ochain/Aegis to make them more unique, but 20VIT or increased shield bash isn't really the answer.

They gimped reprisal when they buffed aegis block rate. It only adds 10-15% now. If they released a shield with very high block rate but no other stats even if it was as high as ochain block rates it still wouldn't even come close to the utility of aegis/ochain.

Ochain = infinite MP which for a good pld who is spamming their C4 gear swap macro is invaluable.
Aegis = Near immunity to magical damage and very high block rate/mitigation.

A high block rate shield without some other utility doesn't even touch these. Think about the difference between WoE weapons and Emps. The only difference is ODD and WS mod stats. The gap between them isn't that huge and imo the difference between a vanilla high block rate shield and ochain/aegis would still be greater than the difference between WoE and Emp weapons.

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Originally Posted by Insaniac

They gimped reprisal when they buffed aegis block rate. It only adds 10-15% now. If they released a shield with very high block rate but no other stats even if it was as high as ochain block rates it still wouldn't even come close to the utility of aegis/ochain.

Ochain = infinite MP which for a good pld who is spamming their C4 gear swap macro is invaluable.
Aegis = Near immunity to magical damage and very high block rate/mitigation.

A high block rate shield without some other utility doesn't even touch these. Think about the difference between WoE weapons and Emps. The only difference is ODD and WS mod stats. The gap between them isn't that huge and imo the difference between a vanilla high block rate shield and ochain/aegis would still be greater than the difference between WoE and Emp weapons.

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That's kind of the point isn't it? Those shields have high block rate and mitigation AND have bonus effects. PLD kind of sucks without them

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Originally Posted by Leonlionheart

That's kind of the point isn't it? Those shields have high block rate and mitigation AND have bonus effects. PLD kind of sucks without them

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I'm not sure what you are saying. My post was in response to the one above mine. I'm arguing that making an easier to obtain high block rate shield wouldn't take much away from ochain/aegis and therefor should be done without hesitation or any kind of addition to ochain/aegis.

Eh not quite, Ochain gains a lot of MP but most NMs take all of your MP or reduce your max MP or both, not to mention constantly wiping buffs. You can get it back quick usually, but it's not really infinite in the sense of the content PLD is used for.

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Originally Posted by Rearden

Eh not quite, Ochain gains a lot of MP but most NMs take all of your MP or reduce your max MP or both, not to mention constantly wiping buffs. You can get it back quick usually, but it's not really infinite in the sense of the content PLD is used for.

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Ochain is even better on those NMs because you can fill your MP back up 20x faster.