Easier Payment Options (08/23/2011)

dam... and i transfered and will be using click and buy. hopefully i will be able to change my payment method

I'm happy to see that SE has heard our complaints and is adding these in.

Now if they'd get rid of the /servmes saying you have to transfer. lol

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Originally Posted by Sevvy

Heres a novel thought, buy crysta with the same credit card that you use on your POL acct and use it on paypal. I already know the arguement here..."but I cant buy exactly xx.95 crysta right now." Well in the future, you can specify how much you want to buy so in a couple of months it wont be a problem.

I never understood why people are like, OMG NEW PAYMENT OPTIONS! Annoying? Yes it is. End of the world? Hardly.

People have been claiming that they have been playing the game since NA launch and are willing to give up their characters that they have toiled over for 9 years because of a mere inconvienence is beyond me. Suck it up and do it. If you have been playing since NA launch, youll remember the ping DOSS attacks that SE had to endure in 2004 which rendered the game unplayable. Yet you still play! And willing to quit over something so trivial.

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This isn't a mere inconvenience to me, there is no way for me to pay using my current credit card anymore. I haven't even been able to use Paypal to buy Crysta using that credit card. Hell, I can't even seem to get Paypal to accept a payment using my old US credit card! I have been playing since March 2004, paying for the game with a Korean credit card since 2007, but I still have no options to pay after the transfer.

Yes, I should have waited for the last minute to transfer, since people who didn't transfer can still use the old payment system, but how was I to know they would extend it? Silly as it seems, I kinda wanted the in-game item too... There are still people in large regions that are unable to pay as well, like Australia/New Zealand, where the game was officially sold and should be supported but are not at this time.

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Originally Posted by Sevvy

Heres a novel thought, buy crysta with the same credit card that you use on your POL acct and use it on paypal. I already know the arguement here..."but I cant buy exactly xx.95 crysta right now." Well in the future, you can specify how much you want to buy so in a couple of months it wont be a problem.

I never understood why people are like, OMG NEW PAYMENT OPTIONS! Annoying? Yes it is. End of the world? Hardly.

People have been claiming that they have been playing the game since NA launch and are willing to give up their characters that they have toiled over for 9 years because of a mere inconvienence is beyond me. Suck it up and do it. If you have been playing since NA launch, youll remember the ping DOSS attacks that SE had to endure in 2004 which rendered the game unplayable. Yet you still play! And willing to quit over something so trivial.

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Until today there was no option in the works to buy Crysta in exact amounts which was a show of bad faith from SE. Dishonest business practices, Microsoft tactics etc etc.

Comparing 2004 to 2011 is pretty silly. If you really have played that long, you've learned things over the years and it's very likely you've wisened up regarding what are good business practices and what comes off as "we're trying to fleece our customers". Further, you could just no longer have the same connection to the game as in those years long past.

SE has competition these days and nothing is what it was in 2004 anymore.

Wow! That's really great news! Thank you for listening SE.

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Originally Posted by Korpg

Looks like all the crying you guys have been doing has finally paid off.

I guess when you whine hard enough, people will listen.

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I don't see why you are so butthurt about people not wanting to put up with terrible business practices. Thanks to all of us who made our displeasure heard things are now going to be even better for you.

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Originally Posted by Runespider

Not at all, but if you have valid complaints and there are enough that are outraged over it then things can happen. I don't expect you to understand it ofc because you care nothing for issues your fellow players had with this, just that your own selfish little self was unaffected by it. Either that or as I hope you and the couple of others were just acting like a selfish aholes to troll people.

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Putting my money on this. Would have been nice if said people were actually a bit entertaining about it. Seriously uncreative trolling.

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Originally Posted by Runespider

I was able to login all the way, dunno why you "had" to transfer. Lock out period was the end of the month wasn't it?

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You had to if you had nothing linked to an SE account. You had to transfer your ID to the account but not the complete conversion.

Easier payment is good and all but ugh had a feeling there was going to be a curveball thrown in for better or for worse.

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Originally Posted by Korpg

Looks like all the crying you guys have been doing has finally paid off.

I guess when you whine hard enough, people will listen.

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Do you work for CnB that you so vehemently defend it? Perhaps you just really like giving your money away, in which case I can set up a new account so that you may funnel all the nickels and dimes you so readily throw away my way.

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Originally Posted by Aver

Do you work for CnB that you so vehemently defend it? Perhaps you just really like giving your money away, in which case I can set up a new account so that you may funnel all the nickels and dimes you so readily throw away my way.

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Thing is, not everyone had problems with Click&Buy, yeah some people do, yeah some people read reviews or horror stories -- You read about people finding fingers and nails and jewelery and etc in Fast Food places, yet millions still eat there just fine.

The fanboyism in this thread is delicious.

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Is this coming too late? Maybe they'll keep some of us who were planning to quit because of payment stuff...

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It's not too late, and they announced earlier that they were listening and working on something. Did everyone really think it was just talk to beg for mercy?

This is really good news. Even if you weren't super upset about this issue, all improvements are welcomed and will make things easier.

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Do you work for CnB that you so vehemently defend it? Perhaps you just really like giving your money away, in which case I can set up a new account so that you may funnel all the nickels and dimes you so readily throw away my way.

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You know, paypal has had a website created by people who hate it, www.paypalsucks.com, to slander it and make people believe it's the spawn of the devil. Many of those incidents may have actually happened, but millions and millions of people use paypal all the time and have never had trouble. Similarly, not everyone who uses ClickandBuy has trouble. I won't disagree that the problem rate for C&B seems a lot higher, but you can't just assume that if you have a problem with <insert whatever here> that everyone else is having the problem too. People mainly come to forums to complain. If they aren't coming here and raising the roof, then those people probably aren't having a serious problem.

HOWEVER- this doesn't mean that SE should not be adding more options so that everyone has a payment option they are comfortable with. Which, thanfully, they are doing.

Thank you SE for listening, the effort means alot to me.

You do not over pay for crysta. Really that was some dumb tin foil hat thinging to spread hate on something they never used. PLUS crysta is gonna be used for services, such as getting a content ID. Which would be 100 crysta. I'm happy they listed to yall. But there was no need to spread LIES, and insult people who knew the truth. Or was telling you to calm down. Oh ps click and buy isn't a scam most of the ripoff.com or other review site was poorly writen and did NOT explain what happen. Sorry but I wouldn't even have listen to those. I would believed a "buyer beware" news story with proof and details.

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Originally Posted by sandman

Thank you SE for listening, the effort means alot to me.

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^ I mirror this 100%. Its very very nice to hear and I'm greatly appreciative. My brother had already switched to Click and Buy (Was familiar with it from FFXIV) but my account had yet to be transferred. its good to know I'll have a bit more time.

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You do not over pay for crysta.

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Yes you do. Hint hint: If my Account costed 12.95 a month, and i payed 15.00/month for crysta, Thats called "Overpaying". Maybe i dont want to use the Crysta on anything but what I intended to use it on? you know... FFXI Accounts?

Even over time that extra 3.05 will add up to another month of service yah? but it'd be 15.25 after 5 months, meaning Its sitll 3.25 left over, over paid. Further down the line it'll eventually add up again, but theres always that left over ~3$ that i won't see.

Click and Buy i have no opinion on, It looks shady, But word of mouth is rarely accurate. However a lot of those peoples Banks put up red flags and told them not to trust this company. People here.

but as for the Crysta, It was definitely overpaying each month. Not a big deal to some, but people living on a very tight budget could not make room for that, yes, In reality land where you don't use daddies or BF's Credit card, some people do have tight budgets, and this was unacceptable.

Sorry if you don't understand how overpaying 3$ a month for something might hurt someones budget, maybe not everyone here was complaining for a legit reason, But some of us were, and we are certainly not liers, so kindly stow it.

I do have a suggestion for SE. Make the game free till they add all those payment options So those who can pay with either option can still play. Also this would be fair due to the new options. I'm sure these options also will happen for ffxiv. But can anyone confirm this?

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Originally Posted by Rosina

You do not over pay for crysta. Really that was some dumb tin foil hat thinging to spread hate on something they never used. PLUS crysta is gonna be used for services, such as getting a content ID. Which would be 100 crysta. I'm happy they listed to yall. But there was no need to spread LIES, and insult people who knew the truth. Or was telling you to calm down. Oh ps click and buy isn't a scam most of the ripoff.com or other review site was poorly writen and did NOT explain what happen. Sorry but I wouldn't even have listen to those. I would believed a "buyer beware" news story with proof and details.

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Please don't shit up this thread like all the other ones... This one is about the new options, not the old, and not even the new options will help with some of the problems. Until whenever they actually add the direct billing again, I still cannot pay, and neither can alot of people. Of course, perhaps that direct billing won't be the same as it is now, and I still won't be able to pay... but I won't know that for sure until it actually happens.

Yes, they did add the option to use you credit card directly via Playspan to buy Crysta, but I tried it and still cannot use my credit card that way. I have already transferred my accounts, so I can't even allow my old payment method (which worked fine for over 3 years now) to carry over anymore.

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Originally Posted by Rosina

You do not over pay for crysta. Really that was some dumb tin foil hat thinging to spread hate on something they never used. PLUS crysta is gonna be used for services, such as getting a content ID. Which would be 100 crysta. I'm happy they listed to yall. But there was no need to spread LIES, and insult people who knew the truth. Or was telling you to calm down. Oh ps click and buy isn't a scam most of the ripoff.com or other review site was poorly writen and did NOT explain what happen. Sorry but I wouldn't even have listen to those. I would believed a "buyer beware" news story with proof and details.

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You prove once again that you have no clue how things really work, until SE made this announcement you were always going to have to over pay for crysta since the smallest amount you could previously buy it in was $5 increments.

As for the clickandbuy issues are you saying that the people who were posting about clickandbuy requiring them to provide bank statements, drivers licenses, birth certificates, and/or passports to get their account verified were just making things up? Many people have provided proof and first hand horror stories about trying to set up a clickandbuy account. Now certainly not everyone has had problems with them, but enough have that it should give even someone like you enough cause to doubt their reliability as a payment facilitator.

Despite what you think you were doing your were not spreading truth or trying to calm people down. You spent pretty much every post you made on this issue insulting people and calling them stupid for not wanting to put up with terrible customer service. You were spouting so much nonsense that anyone with a modicum of common sense could see that you just didn't have a clue.

Please do us all a favor and go back to posting about how hard it is to make macros and to try and heal people when they they blink.

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Originally Posted by Rosina

You do not over pay for crysta. Really that was some dumb tin foil hat thinging to spread hate on something they never used. PLUS crysta is gonna be used for services, such as getting a content ID. Which would be 100 crysta. I'm happy they listed to yall. But there was no need to spread LIES, and insult people who knew the truth. Or was telling you to calm down. Oh ps click and buy isn't a scam most of the ripoff.com or other review site was poorly writen and did NOT explain what happen. Sorry but I wouldn't even have listen to those. I would believed a "buyer beware" news story with proof and details.

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You must really enjoy p**sing people off.



On topic: Thank you SE, it's nice to know we have been heard.

Cheers to you Squeenix. I wasn't too miffed/butthurt over the payment change but it's nice to see that you're listening to your customers :)

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Thats called "Overpaying".

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No, it's not, because crysta isn't exclusively for paying your account fee; and the leftover amount can go toward next month's bill. Of course, they heard you, and soon you can get exactly the amount you want. So there isn't really any point in talking about it anymore.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

No, it's not, because crysta isn't exclusively for paying your account fee; and the leftover amount can go toward next month's bill. Of course, they heard you, and soon you can get exactly the amount you want. So there isn't really any point in talking about it anymore.

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yes, it is Alhan. people here are only using it for Paying for FFXI, and if we're forced to pay an extra 3$ a month for it, that overpaying.

And even "Next months fees" Add up. If you have 3$ left over and next month only buy 10$, you're still out 5c, Big deal? not really, But you still over pay 3$ every other month simply to get by with your account. I think it was at the time unacceptable.

And these prices/figures are assuming people don't have more than 1 account, or more than 1 Content I.D, with that factor it adds up even further.

When i hear "overpay", I think it means "Paying more than intended for a product". We intend to pay 12.95, We have to pay 15.00, thats overpaying.

I feel these peoples concerns were valid, and so did Square Enix. apparently!

Edit: And you're right i suppose? No reason to discuss it further. But you can still respond to this if you will. I can tell when a discussions is meaningless a mile away, so I feel arguing with you will be like using my head to break down a wall.

UM ok no you don't I used point system in the past. So i do know how to use them. And content ID are under ffxi accounts. But here is the thing with crysta you can buy mnths ahead of time. You just not seeing it. But really you example isn't show over spending. You just buying crysta. Which you can use it to pay for the game. But there will be other uses for it. Heck one use is to buy a content ID or in ffxi extra retainers and the like. If you only spend crysta on paying for ffxi. That is your issue. And maybe should have thought it through. I do plan on using crysta from those cards. I'm gonna bank mnths a head so i do not need to worry about it.

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Originally Posted by Rosina

DERP DERP LOL I DERP

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Okay, Even i can spot a lost cause. Enjoy living in Fantasy land. Hope reality doesn't bite you too hard when you finally encounter it.

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

hur hur yes, it is. You can debate illogical crap all you want. But people here are only using it for Paying for FFXI, and if we're forced to pay an extra 3$ a month for it, that overpaying.

Deal with it.

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And not to forget this compounds when you pay for more than 1 account.

but just want to add my thanks for listening. I logged on for the first time since the 3rd today in light of the good news. Now I have to go through all those posts on the new stuff their adding or changing because I thought I would not get to see the changes! I really hope they fix it soon for the people that switched over and can not pay, though.

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

Okay, Even i can spot a lost cause. Enjoy living in Fantasy land. Hope reality doesn't bite you too hard when you finally encounter it.

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Oh she'll never have to encounter reality because her parents were shielding her from it for a while, and now her boyfriend is.

Clearly i cannot edit quick enough~

This is great SE, thank you for replying to our concerns. +2 respect points for joo. Anyone here saying "boo-hoo it's too late, the damage is done" is just being a drama queen :)

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

No, it's not, because crysta isn't exclusively for paying your account fee; and the leftover amount can go toward next month's bill. Of course, they heard you, and soon you can get exactly the amount you want. So there isn't really any point in talking about it anymore.

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QFT

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yes, it is Alhan. people here are only using it for Paying for FFXI, and if we're forced to pay an extra 3$ a month for it, that overpaying.

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It's not "an extra $3 a month," for one, it will vary with your leftover balance, and no, not everyone here is only using it to Pay (Un-necessary capitalized word) for FFXI, it's also being used to buy security tokens, additional characters, will eventually be used for FFXIV if they ever start charging for it, and will be used for other services in the future. It's not an FFXI-only payment system, whether it's your only personal reason or not.

... I'm not going to repeat this again.

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Something that does need to be clarified though, in case people are missing it: The new credit card option for Crysta is underneath the UltimatePay button. Now, in addition to Paypal and Ultimate Game Cards, you have the option to use a credit card without the extra 2nd middleman.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

It's not "an extra $3 a month," for one, it will vary with your leftover balance,

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Which will be slightly better or slightly worse, and in the end you overpay but some amount.

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and no, not everyone here is only using it to Pay (Un-necessary capitalized word) for FFXI

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The people complaining were, So this is irrelevant. I like to call this a Straw man.

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it's also being used to buy security tokens

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And if we already have one?

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additional characters

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If we dont need any?

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will eventually be used for FFXIV if they ever start charging for it

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If we have no interest in FFXIV?

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and will be used for other services in the future.

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Services most of us dont intend to use, since as far as we're concerned, this is simply an alternative to paying for FFXI.

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It's not an FFXI-only payment system, whether it's your only personal reason or not.

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So many straw men.

I don't know if you're choosing not to understand or really just don't want too... But just because its used for other services, does not mean to those people intended to use it to pay for FFXI, that if holding 1 account and 1 Content I.D, paying 15.00/mnth for 12.95account is overpaying to them.

Again, the next month you have to buy 15 again, because you'll have 2.05 left over, but 10+2.05 = 12.05 you're behind still. so now you have 17.05 on an account for a 12.95 fee. next month it'll be about 4.10 left over, then the month after about 1.15, then you'll need to buy 15 again and so on.

It changes for each person but for the average it was clear, and i feel their concerns were real.

You may get along just fine with it, and come to terms with it, But i simply feel those people who complained (most of them) had valid reasons.

Those still complaining i think are indeed Drama queens, because its clear SE listened and is doing all they can to satisfy our concerns, and I'm greatly appreciative.

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... I'm not going to repeat this again.

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Thats your prerogative. If you don't respond to me it simply means you're the better man yes? I respect that.

Good news. After spending $30.00 for Crysta, I guess I'll be paying 14.85 for my main and my two mules for October. :P

Oh darn, You couldn't resist replying. Oh well.

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

Oh darn, You couldn't resist replying. Oh well.

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So then you're admitting to being a troll?

I didn't say I wasn't going to reply, only that I wasn't going to repeat myself again.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

So then you're admitting to being a troll?

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Nice leap chief, I'm a Troll because i defend the views of those who felt they were wronged by the current crysta plan?

Anyway, I was referring to when you said "I'm not going to repeat this again", I had hoped that meant you were done with the conversation and would stop responding.

Instead i misread it, For that i apologize. Feel free to continue, I'll be happy to continue this discussion now knowing i have a good topic discussion partner. Its always more enjoyable discussing the positives and negatives of a system when you know theres someone dedicated to responding!

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

So then you're admitting to being a troll?

I didn't say I wasn't going to reply, only that I wasn't going to repeat myself again.

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Still can't admit when you're wrong. At least you're consistent.

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Originally Posted by Vivik

Still can't admit when you're wrong. At least you're consistent.

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If he's always right, why would he have to ever admit that he's wrong? :P DUH

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Originally Posted by JackDaniels

If he's always right, why would he have to ever admit that he's wrong? :P DUH

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NotSureIfSerious!

But you have a point! Which is why I never admit I'm wrong :D! (lies, i actually have a few times o.o)


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Originally Posted by Vivik

Oh how cute, you have a fatty fanboy club too!

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Aww, Don't be mean :(, You may end up getting deleted! We don't want that.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

So then you're admitting to being a troll?

I didn't say I wasn't going to reply, only that I wasn't going to repeat myself again.

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Hes not trolling but you were completely in the wrong about not overpaying under the old crysta system.

I dont care how many things crysta serves, me and SE are in an agreement to pay 12.95 a month to play FFXI and not one cent over.

I said it before and i'll say it again - would SE accept 12.50/month if I used the excuse that I can only pay in round increments? No. So why should I have paid 15 bucks?

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Originally Posted by Vivik

Still can't admit when you're wrong. At least you're consistent.

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I can always admit when I'm wrong. When I'm not wrong, I don't admit it. I have declared myself wrong many times on this forum.

The originally intended Crysta to function more like the Cash in an F2P game (and I know they're publishing one, so Crysta will probably be enabled for it). Crysta was not created specifically for FFXI, or any one service.

As far as I know, not a single F2P game I've ever heard of lets you buy only the amount of Cash you need for a single item from the store, but no one complained about this in any of those games.

Of course, I guess to be fair, Crysta doesn't yet have that broad range of uses yet. I'm basically playing devils advocate by pointing out that they have a lot more planned for it.

Do not take this to mean I don't support this change. I absolutely do. It's just technically not "overpaying." It would only be truly overpaying if they took all your crysta away regardless of how much you bought. However, currently the other uses for crysta are limited, so there isn't any way to spend the leftovers.

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Originally Posted by Sevvy

I already know the arguement here..."but I cant buy exactly xx.95 crysta right now." Well in the future, you can specify how much you want to buy so in a couple of months it wont be a problem.

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My memory is very short term, but didn't they say "specific" amount? Which could be just that you can pay exactly your monthly fee, but not that you can pay any amount. In which case you got some money lost forever. (Not a big deal, but still a flaw in the system)