Voidwatch Drop Rates/Loot Distribution

how is taking your reward sneaky? god you have a crappy LS. you must be in one where the leader has 10 empyrean weapons and a sack has 1 and no one else gets squat.

and its hard to sell VW stuff because you cant join the party after the fight has started. and its completely random what may drop.

and as i said; this gear isnt that awesome. if a LS leader would kick you because you took this gear, tell him to get a life. i agree with the point/buy system tho. anything is better then the current system and i really feel bad for pick-up groups doing these fights.

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Originally Posted by Defiledsickness

how is taking your reward sneaky? god you have a crappy LS. you must be in one where the leader has 10 empyrean weapons and a sack has 1 and no one else gets squat.

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Blindly assume much? I'll have you know almost each and every one of us in our 32 man LS has an empyrean weapon, something we're very proud of. Points in a Linkshell are supposed to be used to denote time put in. And if you actually read what he said, he's referring to the hypothetical situation Ravenmore presented. I would doubt any pick up would be able to make it to tier IV and successfully get a full spectral alignment by today's standard of common player.

We're talking about established groups putting in time into this event and seeing less than a 1% reward among all of our members. It's great that one of our most excellent WHMs got an Anhur Robe recently, but that was 1 out of 160-something chests opened. And we're talking about one person who already has something like a Strendu Ring getting 6 more and not being able to give it to someone else who actually needs it. Most of us actually like the exclusive chests, honestly just a simple fix of not being able to see gear you already own in said chests would make it all that much less insulting for those of us who are participating in VW on a regular basis.

A great way to fix this would be to run a check to see if anyone in your alliance already has whichever item is meant to drop, let's say a Fazheluo R. Mail, then move it to someone else's chest, similar to how things will not drop from mobs if a rare item exists in each party member's inventory. It would work fine even with a low drop rate, because at some point through process of elimination everyone can get a body.

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Originally Posted by Defiledsickness

how is taking your reward sneaky? god you have a crappy LS. you must be in one where the leader has 10 empyrean weapons and a sack has 1 and no one else gets squat.

and its hard to sell VW stuff because you cant join the party after the fight has started. and its completely random what may drop.

and as i said; this gear isnt that awesome. if a LS leader would kick you because you took this gear, tell him to get a life. i agree with the point/buy system tho. anything is better then the current system and i really feel bad for pick-up groups doing these fights.

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OK... wow. YOu forgot what you originaly posted so ill explain it all in full. 1, IF you could put the contents of your chest into the lot pool, there are going to be multiple people who want it/can use it. Gee, how to settle such a conundrum? Oh yea, by bidding on it using the point system you have established among yourselves in said linkshell. The being sneaky part comes in this way. If you could put it into the pool, but you dont, and there are others who can/will use and have more points than you, and you try to cover it up by saying you went with a pick up run, is sneaky. People talk. Being sneaky about stuff gets found out eventually. This would mean you dont care about your fellow members (for reasons good or bad) or the hard work they have put in. You would be removed because you couldnt be trusted. No one wants to bust their ass for something just so someone else who hasn't put in as much work as you can snatch it from up under you. Ninja lotters, and its widely known how to deal with them.

And as far as my linkshell goes, Its a very very good shell. The only people who don't have an empyrean weapon, are the people who joined a few months ago, in which we will be working on soon. Some of us even have 2. Our rules are very fair and the amount of productivity we have is wonderful. Our leader and co-leads are very good people. So no...I have the polar opposite of a crappy LS.

Bad linkshell rules do not make an example to leave the system as it is. A different set of linkshell rules might say that if an item is in your personal chest, the item is yours free of charge, but you can put it in the pool and only then it becomes a biddable item.

What's to stop a linkshell with bad rules from charging points to someone who takes an item out of their personal chest as the system is now? They'll get caught wearing it sooner or later, and then they'll be charged, or they can be sneaky by trying to hide the fact that they got X item in their chest.


If SE wants to prevent selling items to people who don't participate in the fight, they can add a second, public chest, that also requires voidstone usage to access. People could move items from their personal chest to the public chest, and people who qualified for items can access the second chest to get the excess drops.

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Originally Posted by Kuraudo

Developers, I beg you… please consider changing this. If this is the new endgame then make the rewards plentiful and the loot distribution smart instead of complete and utter garbage.

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Ah but it *is* smart. A variable ratio reward schedule is the most addictive form of operant conditioning.

Basically, FFXI is a Skinner box, you are a rat, killing the mobs is pushing the lever and the drops are food pellets. Starting to get the picture yet?

I know, I know, common sense should tell you that a fixed ratio reward where X work = Y results should work better to keep you playing. Countless experiments show the actual situation to be the opposite. Random, unpredictable infrequent rewards will keep you playing longer. The gambling industry and the entire body of scientific research by B.F. Skinner prove this.

Crappy drops suck for us but for SE it's just good business sense, if somewhat evil.

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Originally Posted by Atomic_Skull

Ah but it *is* smart. A variable ratio reward schedule is the most addictive form of operant conditioning.

Basically, FFXI is a Skinner box, you are a rat, killing the mobs is pushing the lever and the drops are food pellets. Starting to get the picture yet?

I know, I know, common sense should tell you that a fixed ratio reward where X work = Y results should work better to keep you playing. Countless experiments show the actual situation to be the opposite. Random, unpredictable infrequent rewards will keep you playing longer. The gambling industry and the entire body of scientific research by B.F. Skinner prove this.

Crappy drops suck for us but for SE it's just good business sense, if somewhat evil.

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This is true, until people get sick of it and quit. Look at what happened with CoP with the Jailer system, a large portion of the end-game populace up and left the game in disgust.

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Originally Posted by Septimus

This is true, until people get sick of it and quit. Look at what happened with CoP with the Jailer system, a large portion of the end-game populace up and left the game in disgust.

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That's why Blizzard has a behavioral psychologist on the payroll to design their loot system to be as addictive as possible. You want to make it just cruel enough to addict them but not so cruel that they give up. CoP went way too far in making the rewards infrequent.

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Originally Posted by DarkBass

Yea... if the other 17 people involved didnt tell anyone else, shout for members, and then quit... Being sneaky about obtaining things in the gaime come back to bite you. But being sneaky/the need or desire to be sneaky about obtaining items in this manner is eliminated by the voidwatch chest system. Just the drop rates/ getting multiuples of the same r/ex item is what suck. (Phillip Defranco quote) What the f*ck SE dev type people?

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Still how would your LS ever know what you got in your box. Simple make it were it doesn't say what you take out. LSes though now think outside the box with all the big name LSes done and dead or shadows of thier fomor selfs. Now if your in a LS with people that would force you to give up you loot to all would find they have no members. With out ToDs to protect or pop sets to hold for the LS pick ups are more viable then ever. While most pick ups do suck doesn't mean that it can't be done and with no risk of loss. The game has changed and LSes know this if they want to keep thier members they can't do anything to upset the good ones.

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Originally Posted by Ravenmore

Still how would your LS ever know what you got in your box. Simple make it were it doesn't say what you take out. LSes though now think outside the box with all the big name LSes done and dead or shadows of thier fomor selfs. Now if your in a LS with people that would force you to give up you loot to all would find they have no members. With out ToDs to protect or pop sets to hold for the LS pick ups are more viable then ever. While most pick ups do suck doesn't mean that it can't be done and with no risk of loss. The game has changed and LSes know this if they want to keep thier members they can't do anything to upset the good ones.

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Because at least a few people pay attention and lying about how you got something gets found out. Also, this "force you to give up your loot to all" misinterpretation is called bidding on said items that go into the lot pool. Person with who bids the most points and can use= winning bidder of item in proverbial pool. But thankfully that whole process is deiscared with the individual reward system. Just getting multiple of the same type of r/ex item is dumb, as well as the incredibly low drop rate itself.

If you don't tell how you got it since you could role with a pick up group. LSes are no longer need to make progress in the game. Yes pick up group can suck, but you know what sucks worest then a bad pick up a bad LS. Retarded rules and a group thats barely better then a pick up. I find LSes like this are the ones with these rules. Still doesn't mean anything how wouldd they find out without you telling them if they make it were it doesn't SHOW in the log. Once rewards get better with VWNM poeple will pug them more. Has your LS ask how you got any of your +2 items, AF3 feet made a big deal out of how you got it? If so you need to dictched right now.

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Originally Posted by Ravenmore

If you don't tell how you got it since you could role with a pick up group. LSes are no longer need to make progress in the game. Yes pick up group can suck, but you know what sucks worest then a bad pick up a bad LS. Retarded rules and a group thats barely better then a pick up. I find LSes like this are the ones with these rules. Still doesn't mean anything how wouldd they find out without you telling them if they make it were it doesn't SHOW in the log. Once rewards get better with VWNM poeple will pug them more. Has your LS ask how you got any of your +2 items, AF3 feet made a big deal out of how you got it? If so you need to dictched right now.

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Well they will never find out if you never wear it ever. Not once for even a second. Not even in your moghouse. Will never find out then. But if the contents from voidwatch could be added to pool, then things are bidden on. If a body armor drops in your chest and you have to add it to the pool so it can be bid upon, but instead you take it, and wear it, you're eventually gonna have to lie about how you got it. Then eventually it will be found out. Now its all fine well and good if you got it in a pick up run. But if you obtain your items through sneaky means through the ls, there lies the problem. But this is all beside the point of this thread now.

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Originally Posted by Atomic_Skull

Ah but it *is* smart. A variable ratio reward schedule is the most addictive form of operant conditioning.

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Excellent point. I’m disappointed in myself that I never thought of it. I only took Psych 101, but I found it interesting and remember quite a bit.

I can understand that they want an activity where rewards don’t go to the treasure pool. Out of curiosity, are there any other events where players directly receive items like this? Off the top of my head, I’m only remembering events that reward some type of points directly to players, not actual items. I think a point system for VWNMs would be a good idea. The points don’t have to be static. I think they should be like melee attacks. Your point reward would be random within a certain range, and there’d be a chance to crit and get double points or whatever the psycho-mathematicians come up with. Procs and treasure hunter could influence the minimum and maximum points and the chance of crit points. There could be different points for each VNM or each nation/path. Whatever works. I think they’ll have to change something, because it’s just too disheartening when some people get things they can’t use or already have while others are still waiting for something they want, and that certainly has a psychological impact on people. A point system would eliminate that problem, and it would allow them to make items difficult to get without going overboard on that variable ratio reward schedule.

Very true. Also, WoE has indivudual chests and a treasure pool chest, just that the "Top 5" people get their own chests.

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Originally Posted by Asanarama

Excellent point. I’m disappointed in myself that I never thought of it. I only took Psych 101, but I found it interesting and remember quite a bit.

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Coming up with ways to keep you playing well past the point where you should have become bored and moved on is a huge field in the video game industry. And most of the methods they employ range from unscrupulous to downright evil.

http://www.cracked.com/article_18461...-addicted.html

This is written as a comedy article but everything presented in it is absolutely true.

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Originally Posted by Atomic_Skull

Coming up with ways to keep you playing well past the point where you should have become bored and moved on is a huge field in the video game industry. And most of the methods they employ range from unscrupulous to downright evil.

http://www.cracked.com/article_18461...-addicted.html




This is written as a comedy article but everything presented in it is absolutely true.

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This is a very very interesting read. Make me think of a lot of the things that SE does that got me hooked so long ago XD.

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Originally Posted by DarkBass

Well they will never find out if you never wear it ever. Not once for even a second. Not even in your moghouse. Will never find out then. But if the contents from voidwatch could be added to pool, then things are bidden on. If a body armor drops in your chest and you have to add it to the pool so it can be bid upon, but instead you take it, and wear it, you're eventually gonna have to lie about how you got it. Then eventually it will be found out. Now its all fine well and good if you got it in a pick up run. But if you obtain your items through sneaky means through the ls, there lies the problem. But this is all beside the point of this thread now.

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You still have not said how they would know how you got it, since you had not responded to make it were you choose what you want to add to the pool. The LS as you know it is dead long dead. So as a event can be pug or people are willing to pug I.E not even needing a LS a LS can't do anything to piss off its members. If a player can't find any better of a LS then one like that then its more of a problem with said player then the reward system. They have no way of knowing how you got it. Your LS has no sway over you anymore they are not the only show in town.

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]You still have not said how they would know how you got it, since you had not responded to make it were you choose what you want to add to the pool.

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I did, but ill explain it further.

1.If you get it in a ls run, take it out of your chest, but lie about it, and you are seen with it in a later point in time, Its eventually gonna be found out you lied about getting it in one particular ls run.

2.If you wear anything for longer than like 30 seconds-1 minute, its updated automatically in FFXIAH.com. If someone in your ls sees it, they could mention something, and then the lie is exposed that way.

But that situation could only happen if we had the option to add items to the pool. If you could add items to the pool, i feel it would only be fair if a body you wanted and could wear immediately was in your chest, it should go to you unopposed. But if you are a bard and you get a Radiant F. Mail but you want it for your 35 soon to be 90 war, and you could put it into the pool for bidding for those who can wear it immediately, but instead you lie and say "I got crap" and take it out your chest, That's being sneaky. Because When your war gets of level, and you wear it, and others see it, well you are a smart individual i think you get my point.

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Originally Posted by DarkBass

I did, but ill explain it further.

1.If you get it in a ls run, take it out of your chest, but lie about it, and you are seen with it in a later point in time, Its eventually gonna be found out you lied about getting it in one particular ls run.

2.If you wear anything for longer than like 30 seconds-1 minute, its updated automatically in FFXIAH.com. If someone in your ls sees it, they could mention something, and then the lie is exposed that way.

But that situation could only happen if we had the option to add items to the pool. If you could add items to the pool, i feel it would only be fair if a body you wanted and could wear immediately was in your chest, it should go to you unopposed. But if you are a bard and you get a Radiant F. Mail but you want it for your 35 soon to be 90 war, and you could put it into the pool for bidding for those who can wear it immediately, but instead you lie and say "I got crap" and take it out your chest, That's being sneaky. Because When your war gets of level, and you wear it, and others see it, well you are a smart individual i think you get my point.

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How would they know if it DOESN'T say it in the log. If your 35 war and you take it up latter how would they know you got it on that run or a pug run. There is no way for them to know. No way for them to find out. As so as items are added worth dealing with this event is added pugs will be comeing out the wood work, they are already out there now.

Yes they could do that but do you remember every date of a run. Does it say when it was droped to you or when you first put it on. Franky I refuse to go near that site after the for virus that my anit-virus blocked.

Edit - went and poke around on a non-FFXI pc. Only way they would know s if you linked your char on the linkshell site to the FFAH profile. So again no way to know if you one of the many people that refuse to us eeither site.Still gets no were as it would be up to you the player to decide to offer the items to the rest of the group. Nothing these LSes have over the avg player anymore thats what your failing to see.

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It's very infuriating seeing these pieces go to people who can't use them, or even worse, to mules.

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Perhaps part of the game balance is not encouraging people to dual box a character so they don't have to share loot with as many people.

That it is even viable to play a rapidly leveled character remotely as efficiently as someone who is maining the job while you are maining something else shows a problem.

Watching your dual boxed mule get all the loot you want because you can't bother to include someone else is a bit of dev justice in a way, as it punishes the behavior.

Perhaps the system is broken with players having to watch friends who never will use the gear get the drops they want you to get, but this is a positive side effect, given that this game is an MMO, not a play with little people as possible so you can have a monopoly on leet gear massively online game.

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The other thing that this drop system punishes are point systems that screw over anyone who isn't the LS leader or a good friend of the LS leader.

It is going to be hard enough to "fix" the system to let people get the gear they want without going back to something that SE was obviously trying to avoid, short of a system involving getting some sort of IOU for varying pieces of gear that are still exclusive. Hopefully SE can accomplish its goals while still pleasing the reasonable parts of its playerbase.

And I'm going to apologize here for the double post, but this one is a gem:

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Originally Posted by ThaiChi

Blindly assume much? I'll have you know almost each and every one of us in our 32 man LS has an empyrean weapon, something we're very proud of.

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Congrats. But the majority of endgame LS do not work like that unfortunately. The ones that do already have 32 players in them.

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Originally Posted by ThaiChi

Most of us actually like the exclusive chests, honestly just a simple fix of not being able to see gear you already own in said chests would make it all that much less insulting for those of us who are participating in VW on a regular basis.

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This would certainly be one way to do it, but your next suggestion is exactly why I chose to repeat you:

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Originally Posted by ThaiChi

A great way to fix this would be to run a check to see if anyone in your alliance already has whichever item is meant to drop, let's say a Fazheluo R. Mail, then move it to someone else's chest, similar to how things will not drop from mobs if a rare item exists in each party member's inventory. It would work fine even with a low drop rate, because at some point through process of elimination everyone can get a body.

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This alone would be terrible, as it would go back to a EGLS point system, which while it might work for your Linkshell, it does not for many people who have to watch as the leader gets everything and they get nothing. People are scared from ELGS BS.

But the way you worded it (it sounds so eloquent somehow) made me think about a suitable solution.

For Rare/Exclusive items, if you already own one, you are able to move it to someone else's chest, perhaps at the cost of a small amount of cruor, or perhaps to a treasure pool for lotting. This way the drop system still fits the role it seems designed for, but has less waste and still works for an LS trying to gear up members to fit certain roles. It also discourages players from just dropping the gear if they can't equip it right away.

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Originally Posted by Ravenmore

How would they know if it DOESN'T say it in the log. If your 35 war and you take it up latter how would they know you got it on that run or a pug run. There is no way for them to know. No way for them to find out. As so as items are added worth dealing with this event is added pugs will be comeing out the wood work, they are already out there now.

Yes they could do that but do you remember every date of a run. Does it say when it was droped to you or when you first put it on. Franky I refuse to go near that site after the for virus that my anit-virus blocked.

Edit - went and poke around on a non-FFXI pc. Only way they would know s if you linked your char on the linkshell site to the FFAH profile. So again no way to know if you one of the many people that refuse to us eeither site.Still gets no were as it would be up to you the player to decide to offer the items to the rest of the group. Nothing these LSes have over the avg player anymore thats what your failing to see.

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All the examples I've given were how you find out if it doesnt say it in the log, as well as the rest of the "How would they know I took something someone else could wear and i cant" Situation.

@ Economizer

Actually your suggestion is just want I'd meant to say, but in the sense that no player has control over it. The check that I was referring to was akin to how items marked "rare" will not drop off a mob if everyone in a party already has one in their inventory (Two-Leaf Mandragora Buds, while cleaving comes to mind). My suggestion was to have a similar check for party members inventory so that if a player already has one, it can spawn in someone elses chest.

And I'm not trying to repeatedly bring the topic back to how Linkshells are supposed to be run or whatnot, I just had to say my piece to some guy who assumed every leader is self-serving. So there's no reason to be cynical.

Bottom line is: we as a Linkshell actively participate in Voidwatch (as well as any other group who partakes) want some changes to how loot is distributed -- whether it be put in our hands or a function within the game mechanics. Weakness triggering and spectral alignment seemed to have been that way of providing us some measure of control over the quality of drops yet going through the motions currently does not seem to put out a reasonable rate of reward.

Edit: Btw darkbass, your FFXIAH/LS community profile is updated based on what you're wearing while you're logged out of the game, not simply because you're wearing it at any given time.

Hmm. thats strange. I could have sworn i saw my stuff change while i was logged in, given it was a loooong time of being logged in >.<

Glad this thread is working its way back on track.

I think the thought of having a rare item not drop to someone who already possesses it is a good one, but i'm not sure if it's compatible with treasure casket distribution.

If you go into a BCNM with a rare/ex item can it still spawn in the chest if you already have it?

Knowing this should help us brainstorm some more.

If you go into a bcnm and if everyone has the rare item it drops then no it will not drop, which is the main slap in the face. I could personally deal with the low drop rate as it is now, if i didnt get the same rare items i have now.. I would at least feel like id a shoo in for a body at some point.

yes, if everyone have the item it will not drop, BUT no other item will drop in exchange...

Please reconsider adding the option to "Add spoils to Treasure Pool" with the upcoming update. The last thing we need is More armor going to people that can't/won't/will likely not use it...

I implore you devs to play on a production server and actually see what we see. I understand a lot of your ideas and agree they look great on paper; but in actual practice, they just don't work as you'd think they're supposed to. I.E. Having your own treassure Pool is nice, but ending up with stuff you can't use, and worse, can't share, is pretty bad, and exceptionally disheartening.

I partially support this whining thread.
I'm not a fan of the "personal chests" system myself for two reasons: a practical one (it kinda defeats LS loot assignment rules like DKP etc) and a psychological one (the fact that someone that doesn't need a certain item gets it and vice-versa).
Still, these two are probably minor aspects and I can deal with it and consider it a "variation" from the rest.

What should be done though is make the lights allignment more relevant. Atm even with max lights the drop rates are too low and too random in my opinion. Compared to what the numbers may suggest (a difference from 0% to almost 400%) the allignment seem to affect the quality of drops much less than it should, imho.

I'm not saying every fully procced Caelano should drop at least 12 armors and 15 Langeleiks, but without getting to such unbalanced extremes, there's still space for a DUE improvment of things.

I'm sorry but if SE is afraid of people mercing drops, they are mentally retarded and need to kill themselves. How the hell is that even a problem.............I don't understand that, so I seriously doubt that's why the loot system is HORRIBLY designed.

I will be quitting FFXI if voidwatch stays how it is and it's all the future content it, drops from VW might as well not exist because they are so rare and random. I pretend they aren't even in the game tbh.

I will not play a MMO with such a horribly designed loot system, I would rather quit.

Scream loud enough and someone will hear you.

SE: Voidwatch drops, even at 95, aren't SOOOO GOOD that they should be as rare as they are.

You through Abyssea at us like it's the future of the game, then you toss us something with drop rates like the initial Salvage. Sure you can spam it, but there are people that are 0/50 on some of these bodies already.

Sure, individual chests might increase the number of the items on the server, but all DD players really can't do anything with an Anhur robe. Might as well give a Lv.1 MNK an Armada Hauberk.

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I will be quitting FFXI if voidwatch stays how it is and it's all the future content it, drops from VW might as well not exist because they are so rare and random. I pretend they aren't even in the game tbh.

I will not play a MMO with such a horribly designed loot system, I would rather quit.

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I did serious endgame before Abyssea, drops that took literally years to obtain. 2+ years to finish morrigan body, far longer for all my king drops. At the time this was acceptable to the kind of players that did serious endgame, but now with Abyssea they made endgame open to everyone and everyone will expect to have the same access that was never there before, they just are not going to accept drop rates of the past anymore I think lol Hell even the hardcore won't like going back to the old ways.

So yeah, I think they are trying to make FFXI more long-term again, or someone else is back in charge of the game and they think they can just time warp back to how they used to keep people playing long-term with very little content. It just ain't gonna fly.

With MMO's they either need to add quite regular mass amounts of content with decent drop rates (abyssea) or add far cheaper content less frequently with really amazing drops that are very rare or difficult to obtain. (voidwatch stage 2).

Given they are not going to be adding mass amounts of regular content like they did with Abyssea from now on I think they will go with the very very rare drop system, the whole point of which is that you may never get the drop you want..or that it takes forever.

People are just used to being able to fully gear a job in 1-3 weeks. While in the past being full geared and top tier would take 3-4++ years.

To me the only bad thing about Voidwatch's drops is that, like, if your dedicated WHM gets Fazheluo Radiant Mail...

One, if you have an LS maybe I'm old school but doing stuff with others just seems eh, wrong? Get a new LS? etc?

Two, I can still sell people gear from a points system, in fact I could probably sell it a whole lot easier. Being able to sell gear is an illegitimate excuse for not being able to put items in the pool. Guess what, Chinese RMT aren't going to be doing Voidwatch, aren't going to be beating Voidwatch, aren't relevant to Voidwatch. The event itself is just a tad harder than bot claiming Faust and fishing Angel skins.

The current system sucks, it offers no incentive to do it without the ability to put the Faz Mail my WHM mule has into the loot pool. If it were a point system, okay, but you guys are asking for a deal with the devil in that system. SE is going to make it just as ridiculous an amount of points as time it takes to randomly obtain the item. People would be a hell of a lot more interested in this event if they knew all of their mules wouldn't get items without even trading cells.

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Two, I can still sell people gear from a points system, in fact I could probably sell it a whole lot easier. Being able to sell gear is an illegitimate excuse for not being able to put items in the pool. Guess what, Chinese RMT aren't going to be doing Voidwatch, aren't going to be beating Voidwatch, aren't relevant to Voidwatch. The event itself is just a tad harder than bot claiming Faust and fishing Angel skins.

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You see RMT in it's most basic form, chinese sweatshop workers. Just FYI RMT sold the strongest HNM drops, drops from every event and now sell aby drops. In the past the RMT were teh best/elite players in the biggest best botting HNMLS, now they are normal players with the resources to get the drops to sell to people.

RMT = people that sell gil, not dumbass chinese sweatshops grinders.

So yeah the drops will be sold for rmt purposes if the demand is there.

Might be why I specified Chinese RMT

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Might be why I specified Chinese RMT

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What does their nationality have to do with the point you were making? No matter how hard the content they will be sold for RMT if demand is there and teh drop system favors selling to others.

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Originally Posted by Tagrineth

To me the only bad thing about Voidwatch's drops is that, like, if your dedicated WHM gets Fazheluo Radiant Mail...

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Well, the obvious solution is to put White Mage on that gear. :p

Even more obviously, these drops exist for two reasons:
1) To punish people who bring mules to events.
2) To gear up mannequins.

Regardless of whether these items are sold or not, it generally takes a linkshell to defeat them, the linkshell will take those items first, at current drop rates those items won't reach a point where everyone that needs it has one and they begin to be sold until the following tier of Voidwatch comes out.

A basement of Chinese RMT or an apartment of fat dudes in Tennessee aren't farming VW for profit.

It has to do with the point because SE is far more concerned about their friends across the ocean than they are with Joe Beer.

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Originally Posted by Lushipur

assault point system is the answer.

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It's too late... they can't re-do Voidwatch looting system from scratch, can they? All we can reasonably ask for is small tweaks.

The "currency" system you suggested is really nice though. Works really fine in other games, really really fine, up to the point it makes me wonder why FFXI hasn't made more use of it. As far as I know you can use it only with Assaults, Einherjar... oh and if you want to include them I guess Conquest Points/Imperial Standing/Allied Notes too, I suppose.

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Originally Posted by Mordanthos

Going for the gear is all fine and dandy, but even those chest pieces are complete garbage anyways. Nothing in Voidwatch can replace Aby gear yet at phase 1, so why are you even worried about the drops to begin with. Nothing in it is game breaking in any way. I do it because i like how fricken hard it is, and i find myself getting the gear randomly when im least expecting it.

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This, so much. Who cares about voidwatch when the drops suck to begin with? :|

Square Enix should really provide better ideas for gear as an incentive to participate in phase 1 of voidwatch, if we want to see more action from it. Not even my LS wants to do it because of how disappointing the selection of gear from it is. Not to mention, yeah, drop rates are abysmal to begin with.