FINAL FANTASY XI Job Adjustment Manifesto-Warrior

I was hoping for some good news on the WAR end seeing as we got nothing new this VU lol. But seeing this kinda bums me out I was hoping to see something interesting like perhaps a JA or JT but instead we seem to be getting hit with a nerf bat lol. I wouldn't be so bothered by it but when you look at a job like SAM they've basically gotten an adjustment every update and now WAR isn't so much getting a boost as it's being hit down a peg.

I guess what I"m curious about is are there any plans to add anything for WAR from 91-95?

Seriously? You guys announce a nerf as a job adjustment? Is this supposed to get us excited?

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Originally Posted by Camate

We are planning to update the test server extremely soon and we will be releasing the exact schedule in the information section. Below is a planned adjustment for warrior:

• Cap on the weapon skill damage increase effect from Restraint will be lowered

Since this is an adjustment that will reduce damage output, we will proceed carefully and take our time to do this, more so than other job adjustments.

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How about actually buffing other jobs instead of doling out nerfs for once as if that actually fixes anything?

Honestly of all the things that make WAR overpowered is restraint even one of them? I would think retaliation would be nerfed first.

Restraint sucked ass when it was first released and they had to fix it because the first incarnation was more useless than Defender. War has no useful native defensive abilities other than kill stuff faster, nerfing restraint is the dumbest move I've heard for their 'adjustments' to War other than when they first released restraint.

Instead, you could always go back to having Restraint actually, y'know, restraining something.

I agree with the WARs here, don't nerf warrior, buff other jobs to be equal with WAR

Good going, because Restraint was totally what makes WAR OP

Not every other JA and a crit WS that, even without critting, deals pretty much better damage than everything else or anything. Nope, it's the x% amount of damage that most people don't even cap because ideally you should be WS'ing faster than it takes to cap the damage bonus.

I guess this is supposed to appease the masses, I mean they're effectively doing absolutely nothing in terms of changing WAR, except taking the obscure situation where you store TP to 300 to let out one big blow instead of ws'ing every 10 seconds, out of the question.

Lowering a cap that no one who is actually good at war should ever be reaching, nice.

You should be happy they're nerfing something so minor. It could have been something on the same scale as:

RNG Nerf(Ignored level correction)
Penta Nerf(TP return equal to first hit on all hits on WS)
Meditate Nerf(1 minute recast; instant 100% TP even when subbed)
Sneak Attack Nerf(Worked from side)
RDM Nerf(Had Cure5/Flash)
Haste Nerf(Reduced haste cap from 92ish% to 80% reducing attacks made per minute more than half)
Heavy Strike nerf:(Made a seemingly awesome BLU spell for NM/HNMs basically worthless)

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You should be happy they're nerfing something so minor. It could have been something on the same scale as:

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If they think war needs to be nerfed and this does not have the desired effect you think they won't nerf it in other ways too?

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Originally Posted by Runespider

If they think war needs to be nerfed and this does not have the desired effect you think they won't nerf it in other ways too?

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Let's hope so? Probably not the right answer to most but SE seems incapable of buffing other jobs to WAR's level.

Why should we happy over a nerf again, when they could, idk, buff other DD jobs so they're more viable?

Money it's because War was seen as 'overpowering' Sam (it isn't outside Abyssea).

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Originally Posted by Neisan_Quetz

Why should we happy over a nerf again, when they could, idk, buff other DD jobs so they're more viable?

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That is what most want, SE just can't seem to do it.

I don't doubt it about SAM, SE sure is obsessed with that job. Honestly they didn't need the last 2 or 3 buffs they got.

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Originally Posted by Camate

We are planning to update the test server extremely soon and we will be releasing the exact schedule in the information section. Below is a planned adjustment for warrior:

• Cap on the weapon skill damage increase effect from Restraint will be lowered

Since this is an adjustment that will reduce damage output, we will proceed carefully and take our time to do this, more so than other job adjustments.

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If there was a dislike button it would easily attain 50 or more hits. Why you ask? I'll tell you.

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• Vision
  Damage dealers who use their brawn to continuously pummel foes with a barrage of physical damage, but also use their brains to adapt to the situation at hand.
  
  We will certainly preserve the warrior's physical prowess, which makes it such an imposing damage dealer, but we also want to make it a more flexible attacker. We hope to accomplish through such means as adding abilities that modify weapon properties, making for more enemy-overpowering carnage.
• Example Adjustments
  • Adding new ability that would allow warriors to change a weapon's damage type (slashing/blunt/piercing) during combat.
  • Adding a new ability that would ensure the next melee attack lands a critical hit.

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I mean come on, guys. Make up your minds. One month you're wanting to keep warrior where it's at, the next you're wanting to nerf it. I dare not finish saying what I was wanting to say in fear of giving you nerf ideas.

I don't expect to see much of a hit at all on this nerf, but the fact that it's being done on any scale period sabotages the attempts at PR. Please, no more PR news if you can't commit to your decisions. I much prefer not to read hype when it isn't going to be maintained. What I don't know, won't hurt me. Learn it well. That logic will serve you far greater than hype ever will.

not but 3 months ago didnt the devs say monk and war would be left alone and other jobs would be getting a buff to catch up?

Deal out nerfs then everyone can suck together.

It was silly for them to announce this in a vacuum, but keep in mind that they're planning weaponskill adjustments. Warriors get lots of weaponskills.

And a total of 2 worth using for dealing damage/tanking. 3/4 every 2 hours.

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Originally Posted by Neisan_Quetz

How about actually buffing other jobs instead of doling out nerfs for once as if that actually fixes anything?

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QQ more. Tell me what universe WAR isn't absolutely #1 on the power ladder in. A minor nerf to one trait isn't the end of the world.

It's not a big deal, and you shouldn't be complaining that he's giving you a heads up. Ever heard the expression, "Don't kill the messenger?"

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

QQ more. Tell me what universe WAR isn't absolutely #1 on the power ladder in. A minor nerf to one trait isn't the end of the world.

It's not a big deal, and you shouldn't be complaining that he's giving you a heads up. Ever heard the expression, "Don't kill the messenger?"

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sam was here , 5 hitting with capped haste and dropping more shit then that blind kid playing football . ITT next update sam gets an ability that enhances 3rd eye to work with hasso.

Nerfing a job is easier than fixing things. Deleting is easier than create. Not surprised. Next: footwork nerf (lolwhocares).

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Originally Posted by Vold

If there was a dislike button it would easily attain 50 or more hits. Why you ask? I'll tell you.

I mean come on, guys. Make up your minds. One month you're wanting to keep warrior where it's at, the next you're wanting to nerf it. I dare not finish saying what I was wanting to say in fear of giving you nerf ideas.

I don't expect to see much of a hit at all on this nerf, but the fact that it's being done on any scale period sabotages the attempts at PR. Please, no more PR news if you can't commit to your decisions. I much prefer not to read hype when it isn't going to be maintained. What I don't know, won't hurt me. Learn it well. That logic will serve you far greater than hype ever will.

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They can't anymore, because "ZOMG TANAKA'S BACK IN CHARGE!!11!!1!0"

I like how they have gone from the kind of mindset that lead to the post below (made a few months ago about fears of crit hit nerfs):

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To quell some of your concerns about the adjustments set to take place regarding VIT and critical hits, you'll be glad to know that this adjustment will only be for player characters and NOT monsters. Additionally, in regards to the note about "certain job traits will see their maximum level of effectiveness adjusted by equipment, magic, and/or job abilities" have no fear as no negative adjustments will be taking place. Instead the limits on these will be increased, making players even stronger.

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to blatantly nerfing and posting it like it's something to look forward to lol..

We had a pretty good run there, where SE at one point was giving us nothing but good news for a while.
Oh well, was nice while it lasted.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

QQ more. Tell me what universe WAR isn't absolutely #1 on the power ladder in. A minor nerf to one trait isn't the end of the world.

It's not a big deal, and you shouldn't be complaining that he's giving you a heads up. Ever heard the expression, "Don't kill the messenger?"

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It's not about the fact that WAR is getting nerfed, ffs no one cares, it'll probably always be number one as long as it has retaliation and Ukko's.

The problem here is that it's getting nerfed...

Positive reinforcement > negative reinforcement, write it down

[SIZE=24]TANAKAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/SIZE]

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Originally Posted by Camate

We are planning to update the test server extremely soon and we will be releasing the exact schedule in the information section. Below is a planned adjustment for warrior:

• Cap on the weapon skill damage increase effect from Restraint will be lowered

Since this is an adjustment that will reduce damage output, we will proceed carefully and take our time to do this, more so than other job adjustments.

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Don't Nerf Us, Camate. The Dev Team is Doing so well with our job class. :)

It's funny. I've done events and fought NMs on WAR without ever putting up a buff aside from Berserk and Hasso, and the THF in my group still did shit damage compared to mine. How is nerfing WAR, or any job, making other jobs not useless? This would make sense if it actually had the desired effect, but again... useless jobs are still useless. SE has to force item drop procs on us in order for people to use more than five or six jobs. Not that they ever had a problem with people using SAM exclusively for everything for years and years and years even if it was just player perception. There are lots of jobs in this game that need fixing - not buffs, but actual fixing from almost the ground up, yet they get ignored update after update after update, while certain jobs that are clearly somebody's pets *cough*SAM*cough*DNC*cough* get nothing but goodies regardless of need. Wtf Camate? It's not pleasant, but please take our dislike of this kind of BS back to the developers. Most of us don't care to ever see already powerful jobs get more buffs (WAR included) but nerfing a glass cannon isn't going to make the problems with weaker jobs go away. I can't imagine SE wants to spend a lot of time or resources on this game but at this point leaving things alone is better than imposing nerfs.

Whats bringing this nerf on? Was there some kind of compliant? Are the numbers on this JA really that high? I mean i use restraint when ever I think about it and I've never seen any numbers on it that would make me go "whoa"! Whats the current increase % to damage, any one have any ideas?

Unless this is a preemptive nerf because we're getting something ridiculous and Restraint would do funny things to it...

Pointless nerf is pointless. My Warrior is living in a great big mansion on a plantation like some kind of gentrified Colonel. This nerf burned down the outhouse at the far end of my property: i.e. it did nothing at all to hurt my actual property, but it is still an affront, sirruh, and I demand satisfaction.

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This thread sure took off eh? I wish I could delete it.I feel I have brought this nerf on us.Not like it will make much difference!;)
But yeah,shame on you dev Moogle for posting bad ideas in my thread! Go make your own thread-taru prz.
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Originally Posted by tyrantsyn

Whats bringing this nerf on? Was there some kind of compliant? Are the numbers on this JA really that high? I mean i use restraint when ever I think about it and I've never seen any numbers on it that would make me go "whoa"! Whats the current increase % to damage, any one have any ideas?

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Well... I fully charged restraint once getting TP but not WSing waiting for Jinpu and did a light SC with someone on accident on Heqet right when red went off

10593 Ukko's 10593 light killed like what, 55% of it's HP? probably more

well just so you know its a 25% dmg nerf so your 10 k + 10k would be 7500 + 7500 i think the potential of5000 dmg loss is huge

to clear it up old restraint cap was +50 % damage , new cap looks to be 25% *half* and the rate you build to cap has been cut by half also.

that's actually a very large nerf on a JA people took for granted.

lol wow...

good thing I can't play anymore

I guess the question now is how will the new cap be applied? Will it affect scaling (likely) or will it just cut off the top 25% that we currently have?

And it's not like cutting Restraint's damage bonus in half matters much, anyways. Even in VW it's not feasible to sit there and build it up to cap. Your typical player just doing a 5 or 6 hit build is only ever going to get a small portion of the bonus, so again... useless nerf, why? Why is SE wasting resources with this type of thing when other jobs need attention?

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Originally Posted by TybudX

I guess the question now is how will the new cap be applied? Will it affect scaling (likely) or will it just cut off the top 25% that we currently have?

And it's not like cutting Restraint's damage bonus in half matters much, anyways. Even in VW it's not feasible to sit there and build it up to cap. Your typical player just doing a 5 or 6 hit build is only ever going to get a small portion of the bonus, so again... useless nerf, why? Why is SE wasting resources with this type of thing when other jobs need attention?

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yes the scale has been cut in half also, and while tping on a mob to max * no one EVER should* the cut still cuts the extra dmg you were getting from it by 50% prime example , i used to tp to 2-300 when i had restraint up then sekki WS. the nerf will be a 33% dmg loss from what ever i would have done pre nerf.

Well that does suck. I'd be interested to hear what SE's motivation behind this is, but it seems like more misplaced concern than anything else.

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Originally Posted by Gokku

well just so you know its a 25% dmg nerf so your 10 k + 10k would be 7500 + 7500 i think the potential of5000 dmg loss is huge

to clear it up old restraint cap was +50 % damage , new cap looks to be 25% *half* and the rate you build to cap has been cut by half also.

that's actually a very large nerf on a JA people took for granted.

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Your maths is wrong here:

For a 10k ws including the 50% bonus, the original ws would have done ~6666 damage. (6666+50%[3333]=9999)
With the bonus reduced to 25%, you will see 6666+25%[1666]=8332.5

Less than a 17% reduction. Now bear in mind that it's only active for 50% of the time:
1 + 1.5 = 2.5 (total damage before nerf)
1 + 1.25 = 2.25 (total damage after nerf)

=10% reduction in total ws damage through nerf.

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Originally Posted by Foxclon

こんにちは。
いくつか回答です。


レリックウェポンのWS全般の話になりますが、TPボーナスが効かないようになっています。
その代わりとして、「メイジャンの試練」で段階を踏むごとに基礎能力を上げています。

もしTPボーナスを効くようにするのであれば、全てのレリックウェポンのWSに対して調整を行うことになりますが、今のところその予定はありません。





戦士の火力を抑える ＝ 他のジョブの火力が上がらないということではありません。

今の戦士の火力にあわせて他のジョブの火力を調整していくことが危ういと判断したため、「まずは」戦士の火力を下げ、基準点を作りなおし、他のジョブを調整という段取りにしました。
（全ての前衛が戦士と同列の火力になるという意味ではないという点は、取り違えないようご留意くださいっ！）





なんとなく仰りたいことはわかりますが、少々利点に目をつぶり過ぎではないでしょうか。

黙想も少しの時間はかかりますが、何もリスクなく100以上のTPをコンスタントに溜めることができます。

連携に関しても踊り子より劣っているとは考えていません。
渾然一体は必中です。さらにLv1～Lv3全ての連携属性を含んでおり、Lv2以上の連携も可能になっています。
一方踊り子は連携に特化してしまうと、他のフラリッシュIIを使えない状態になり、V.フラリッシュなどによる、スタンやヘヴィができなくなります。また、W.フラリッシュには命中判定が存在します。
またLv95時点での侍の連携ボーナスは2段階です。






平たく言うと攻撃力を上げてほしいという風に捉えましたが合っていますでしょうか。
一応、その前提でお話を進めますね。

侍は矛と盾の能力を持っていますので、盾としての能力を全て削ったら、理論上、その分の能力を矛に振ることはできます。ただし、机上の空論の域を出ないため、その性能がどの程度かというご質問への回答は申し訳ないのですができません。

いずれにしても、そこまでやってしまうとそれはもう別のジョブになってしまいますので、アビリティの性能の調整や変更の変更はあったとしても、削除をするということはちょっと考えづらいです。また付随する問題として、現存する装備品にも波及してくる点からも現実的ではないかなと思います。

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google translated(lol) the part about warrior

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Became apparent that weak policy of the warrior, and that reason is concerned about the power of inflation.
Returning back, other jobs, including Samurai Why the firepower that can not be expected to improve further.


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In a job that is not up firepower firepower to suppress other fighters = no.

Considered dangerous because it will adjust the firepower to match the firepower of other jobs warriors now, "first" reduce the firepower of a warrior, re-create the reference point has to adjust the setup of other jobs .
(In the sense that the same rank on the warrior and fired all the avant-garde that it is not, I can not confuse please note!)

Sorry im new to posting so might have done this the hard way.

Okay, so War is overpowered in add-on content but Sam isn't everywhere else, that.... No I can't defend their remarks.