FINAL FANTASY XI Job Adjustmentｓ Manifesto [Blue Mage]

I don't think "Nerfed" is the right word for this, its more like rebalancing. We're getting more mp overall, and the less frequent casting means we're saving Mp in the long run. Ticks twice as long as the normal refresh spell and returns a lot more mp for the cost.

If we get any Tier 2 traits, Mab II, Acc (for new endgame content @ 99) and perhaps a few others would be a welcome addition.

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Originally Posted by Toukai

I don't think "Nerfed" is the right word for this, its more like rebalancing. We're getting more mp overall, and the less frequent casting means we're saving Mp in the long run. Ticks twice as long as the normal refresh spell and returns a lot more mp for the cost.

If we get any Tier 2 traits, Mab II, Acc (for new endgame content @ 99) and perhaps a few others would be a welcome addition.

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We got 300 mp at the 4 tic of the spell now we get 250 both are after casting. Again if they were pre balanceing this for auto refresh 2 that I could see but highly doubt we will see it. Rdm can get a 4tic auto refresh in gear easier then blu and snm can get as much as blu with gear and triat. While it wasn't that big of a nerf it was still a reduction in MP regen for what seem to have been a non issue.

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Originally Posted by Ravenmore

Rdm can get a 4tic auto refresh in gear easier

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How so? As far as I can see RDM refresh gear is just as easy to get as BLU can get...
Hairpin = +1
Emp Body+2 = +2
Hands/Feet = +1
Subligar = +1

All of these are RDM and BLU friendly what am I missing?

Edit: Just in case, I'm not trying to be sarcastic or anything like that I'm just curious what I might be missing for my RDM.

Oneiros Grip assuming notlolmeleeing, Moonshade for both, +1 refresh potency for Rdm and longer duration on self and others. Grapevine Cape or w/e it's called affects both iirc, +30 seconds.

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Originally Posted by Neisan_Quetz

+1 refresh potency for Rdm and longer duration on self and others. Grapevine Cape or w/e it's called affects both iirc, +30 seconds.

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Those items require refresh effect so they aren't auto-refresh.

Didn't remember the grip though! gonna look into adding that into my gear set ^^

Well both jobs are getting refresh effect... hence grapevine works on battery charge.

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Originally Posted by Neisan_Quetz

Well both jobs are getting refresh effect... hence grapevine works on battery charge.

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Oh I don't disagree with that logic, but Ravenmore said RDM could get Auto Refresh from gear easier than BLU which is what I was trying to find out if she was mistaken or there was gear I wasn't thinking of/knew about.

Oh no, it's pretty much the same in gear (excusing the grip), aside from the fact I had relic head on Rdm long before Abyssea, so the hairpin is actually more of a problem for me, can't find one at all. Will be farming for it later to raise my Ton hate in the process.

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Originally Posted by Neisan_Quetz

Oh no, it's pretty much the same in gear (excusing the grip), aside from the fact I had relic head on Rdm long before Abyssea, so the hairpin is actually more of a problem for me, can't find one at all. Will be farming for it later to raise my Ton hate in the process.

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I thought tonberry in Abyssea didn't factor into tonberry hate, was that just misinformation?

I was told they did, but my hate isn't maxed in the first place, and I have no idea how many kills maxes hate in the first place. I'll find out sooner or later from killing them.

I forget where I mentioned this at but isnt it time for SE to expand the beast chart to include all the new types such as elemental, firebrand, etc. Also, shouldn't something be done between beast men clans, so that much like animals bluemages can exploit clan moves against other clans?

For example, Goblins & Moblins (dark based) weak against light < Porogoo(water/light based) weak against ice/thunder<
gig as(ice) weak against fire < troll/Orc(fire) weak against water < sahgain/Quadav(water) weak against thunder < etc etc.
Most would have to be slightly reworked but most people get the general idea.

Are you guys serious?

Your manifesto was one of the only ones that made sense.


SE:

GIVING BLUE MAGES MORE BROKEN SHIT.

GRATS.

Love,

SE.

dont be jealous cuz they arent announcing Kraken Club trials to level 95 :P

Spells wise I think BLUs could really do with a form of Phalanx, especially since SE have in the past been trying to make us not use /nin (giving us dual wield, giving us occultation, etc). There's still a bunch of people who like BLU/WHM, so tossing in a Protect/Shell type move (even if the strength is one tier below WHM) would also be nice.

One thing I think SE has forgotten is the whole Monster Affinity thing, which made our AF1 head and Tier 1 merits. I would like to see a rethink of this 'trait' since quite frankly, it's terribly implemented at this point in time. Whilst I know Undead destroys Arcana, I'm never ever ever going to set Blood Saber or any kind of undead spell, because the multiplier is just pathetic. Since it's tricky to boost damage (and make it worth the set points) for casting, I think it would be better if it gave an 'intimidation' effect (maybe 25% proc rate) for even a short period of time (30 seconds even). You could then even make AF1 head and T1 merits increase the duration of this intimidation effect. This way, there's incentive to think what is good against what, whilst giving a noticeable reward for your effort, AND it makes AF1 head and T1 merits more relevant than it is currently.

I forget which mob(Ahriman or pots) gets which abilties, but ther are 3 damage negation moves of "range" barrier, magic barrier, and physical barrier. Each with a 30sec duration would be cool to have.

How about either rapido cactaur or that Mamool JA who "flees" move? (Watch the thieves cry foul even though this would be a spell with long recast).

i dont think rapido 'casts' his flee though. and the point isnt to make blu not need a SJ, but we do need more defensive tools to compete with nin (not so different of a job). i'd love to get a -massive damage spell ^^ they can always add new mobs with new spells after all.

/ to the monster affinity talk so far. i used to set spells based on monster type back at 75, but now i dont even notice the family when setting spells. and the only decent dmg drain spell is the new one which works off of Blue Magic Skill and isnt undead type. blood drain rocks for farming, but idc about the mob family.

I would love protect/shell, even if its like II or III only. That would make /nin play more safe with shell if you don't have a WHM (soloing). I would also like Phalanx type spell too.

I think at this stage we could safely expect Pro/Shell IV. But any damage reduction buff with at least a 3~5 min duration is very welcome.

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Originally Posted by Zagen

How so? As far as I can see RDM refresh gear is just as easy to get as BLU can get...
Hairpin = +1
Emp Body+2 = +2
Hands/Feet = +1
Subligar = +1

All of these are RDM and BLU friendly what am I missing?

Edit: Just in case, I'm not trying to be sarcastic or anything like that I'm just curious what I might be missing for my RDM.

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The ease of getting RDM pants +2 or Relic hat does not in any way compare to getting random augments on the hairpin and subligar.

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Originally Posted by Kyte

The ease of getting RDM pants +2 or Relic hat does not in any way compare to getting random augments on the hairpin and subligar.

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I'll assume you're saying Relic Hat and +2 Legs(which don't give auto refresh) are harder to get than the annoying augments on pin/subligar.

They give a Refresh enhancement, which is more or less the same thing in practice.

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Originally Posted by Kyte

They give a Refresh enhancement, which is more or less the same thing in practice.

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Don't get me wrong, they are a great item but I mentioned "not auto-refresh" because I can't slap them on and get MP out of them without doing anything else, which is the gear I was looking for when I made that list of gear.

Those Refresh pins are a pain to find. Just abot to start farming them for my 3rd day in a row.

Wonder if we'll ever get a Community Rep response to this thread like other jobs have gotten to theirs.

It would be super swell if we could combine spells (even for really expensive totals) to add job abilities to BLU. I would expect them to be abilities we could already get from available subjobs, in the same vein as the job traits we already have access to.

Rdm doesn't have to give up all thier melee gear just to get the max refresh gear. Also relic hats rain from the sky now in dyna a event with no annoying stones and lights to worry about really they are hitting the floor now. After 5 days of farming with max, middle of the road, no amber the hair pin is by far harder to get then a hat that you know whats stats are on it every time it drops. Rdms can make use of idle sets more since thier not MELEEing. Really though its kinda mute once we leave abyssea rdm will be far ahead of blu again, blu will be useless in the new endgame.

Need magical nukes for procs in VW. All of them.

Thought those change over the course of the fight, is it lock into on one magical type or does that change as well. Not hitting it will not mean a loss or a harder fight as not having the back up healing of rdm and refresh II. Haven't really done it and not conviced it will be the end of the line endgame for 99 unless they make the 95 - 99 emp.weapon trials use it. The best gear thats not a complete sidegrade over af3 is AH able. SE dug a whole for them selfs when they made af3 and then saying it was the peak with everything coming later as sidegrade.

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Rdm doesn't have to give up all thier melee gear just to get the max refresh gear. Also relic hats rain from the sky now in dyna a event with no annoying stones and lights to worry about really they are hitting the floor now. After 5 days of farming with max, middle of the road, no amber the hair pin is by far harder to get then a hat that you know whats stats are on it every time it drops. Rdms can make use of idle sets more since thier not MELEEing. Really though its kinda mute once we leave abyssea rdm will be far ahead of blu again, blu will be useless in the new endgame.

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Hi Raven,

Can you elaborate on this a bit more? I didn't understand what the point to any of it was.

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Rdm doesn't have to give up all thier melee gear just to get the max refresh gear.

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Are you suggesting that you would be meleeing in equipment such as Estoqueur's Sayon +2 and Duelist Chapeau?

Or are you saying that because you're not doing any meleeing, you get to spend more time idling and thus standing in Refresh gear?

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Also relic hats rain from the sky now in dyna a event with no annoying stones and lights to worry about really they are hitting the floor now. After 5 days of farming with max, middle of the road, no amber the hair pin is by far harder to get then a hat that you know whats stats are on it every time it drops

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Why wouldn't you have amber lights?

The hair pin is harder to get than the hat, but the +1 Refresh on it is not gamebreaking for Blue Mage.

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Rdms can make use of idle sets more since thier not MELEEing.

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True, but it also means you're spending more time idling, or rather, not doing anything at all.

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Really though its kinda mute once we leave abyssea rdm will be far ahead of blu again, blu will be useless in the new endgame

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Not knowing what the new end game is, I can't really say for certain. But what a Red Mage needs to become more useful (higher tier curing spell, more potent enfeebles, better unique buffs) isn't what a Blue Mage needs as it either already has it or isn't aimed towards the same role.

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Originally Posted by Tashan

The hair pin is harder to get than the hat, but the +1 Refresh on it is not gamebreaking for Blue Mage.

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How so? You do realize not everyone has Xarc access right? Which is something you can't solo, well not that I know of anyways. Hairpin you can.

Also I doubt the original point of Auto-Refresh gear was to say it was game breaking at least I never got that impression.

@defiledsickeness... I think we DO get a massive damage spell...they're called physical spells and can be spam mend for low mp and fast recast timers. Not to mention efflux and skill chain boosts?

I consider myself average Bluemage at lvl 85 and can get 1-1.5 k with hysterical barrage and efflux on normal mobs. Ghats pretty strong for 76mp. Not to mention the whole solo skill chain equations.

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How so? You do realize not everyone has Xarc access right? Which is something you can't solo, well not that I know of anyways. Hairpin you can.

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It's because the chance of getting a Refresh augment is very low.

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Originally Posted by Tashan

It's because the chance of getting a Refresh augment is very low.

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And if you haven't cleared Dyna - Beau your "chance" of getting Duelist's Chapeau is 0, thus lower than pin.

Not having access doesn't have any relevance towards the difficulty of obtaining the item at all.

Go and get your Dyanmis-Beaucidine win.

Not having Visions makes your chances of getting the pin 0 too, point?

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Originally Posted by Tashan

Not having access doesn't have any relevance towards the difficulty of obtaining the item at all.

Go and get your Dyanmis-Beaucidine win.

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I have my hat thanks... I didn't say it applied to me specifically way to assume there. Still doesn't change the fact someone who doesn't have access won't have access without the help of people, that help isn't required to get the pin which effectively makes it easier to obtain. Annoying and random luck =/= difficult.

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Originally Posted by Neisan_Quetz

Not having Visions makes your chances of getting the pin 0 too, point?

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The point is installing an expansion and having access to the zone where you can get an item solo isn't the same as having to clear 5 zones with a group of people. But way to pick a weak argument there.

You can clear all 5 zones of Dynamis long before you could end up seeing a Hairpin solo. I know at least one person who went over 30 days of AoE farming on Blu before finding a refresh augment you can clear dyna in 5.

The point remains not having access has no relevancy to the difficulty of obtaining the item.

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Originally Posted by Neisan_Quetz

You can clear all 5 zones of Dynamis long before you could end up seeing a Hairpin solo. Yugl went 30 days before finding a refresh augment you can clear dyna in 5.

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How do you clear Dynamis solo? Sarcastic question but if you have a legit answer I'd like to be able to get THF gloves for my wife's THF without needing a group to help me clear the bosses.

EDIT: No point repeating myself, see previous post.

Reading some of the other job's manifesto thread responses, I've actually had a glimmer of hope that Diffusion (and I guess Convergence, to a lesser extent of usefulness) may be reduced to a 5min recast timer... anything on that, Reps?