A Summoners Bag of tricks

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Originally Posted by Razushu

By that logic yours will need a needs Hvergelmir, but then not everyone needs the obvious pointed out. Although Nash gages, Caller's doublet & pigaches +2 with a Fay crozier will is another way to go rather than +1s(which most have/are getting anyway) and TotM staves.

Dude the MP efficence argument is dead in the water, No style of SMN is hurting for MP. All you're really saying here is "I have more "more MP than I could ever use" than you", EVERYONE with any way decent gear has more MP than they can spend as it is.

Back to topic.

A great trick for completing trials etc. is the solo mini astral burn. With DG and a regen atma + a MAB atma it's easy to pull and hold 10+ mobs and burn them down, usually takes less than 5 minutes from start to finish and is great for tearing a sizable chunk out of a trial if you find grinding on them too boring or are trying to squeeze some kills in before an event

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What are you using for damage Ramuh? walk me through this its interesting.

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Originally Posted by Neonii

What are you using for damage Ramuh? walk me through this its interesting.

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The mini AF burn? I was using Atma's of the Ducal Guard, the plaguebringer(seadaughter when it's day time) and Beyond. Throw up any defensive buffs the avatar has and start pulling. Dawn mulsums make this much easier to pull large numbers.

Solo, mini-AF burn fill-in-the-blanks:

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1) Pull 10+ mobs with DG, regen pet, with a defensive buff if possible. Obviously since he is using Beyond instead of Ultimate, the pet is Shiva, the defensive pact is Ice Spikes. The trials are for Shiva perp staff.

2) Astral Flow 4x, presumably using 3 powerful ethers, because the only way that avatar is going to survive is Sleepga after MP has been brought to 0. Each Diamond Dust will use at least 236MP (180 for AF, 56 for Sleepga)

3) Pray that someone capped azure lights for you, because that single chance at pearl light isn't netting any ISL. The trick ends when an ISL does not drop.

Analysis:
i) 100 damage is reduced to 12.5 damage by DG. Most abyssea mobs hit for 200+. Let's say 25 damage per hit.
ii) 25 x 10 = 250 damage per attack round. The avatar, with 1500 hp, will die in 7 attack rounds UNLESS you spam Dawn Mulsim or Sleepga. Regen is worthless because the avatar isn't evading anything.
iii) Since BP: rage > ether > BP: ward takes 5+ seconds after the Rage, one attack round will always elapse.
iv) DG Atma also has negative movement speed. Pulling 10+ mobs will be VERY slow unless another job is present. This is a frequent requirement of many "solo" strategies, but it was not stated yet.
iv) it is safe to assume multiple Dawn Mulsim are mandatory to survive this.
v) A solid Shiva build can kill one trash mob every 45 seconds. In 5 minutes, that DD SMN can kill 6 trash mobs without Dawn Mulsim or ethers.
vi) The net gain of an item intensive, high risk trick is 4+ extra kills. MP will be 0 afterwards, so without an ISL, that margin is immediately lost. A competent DD never runs out of MP in 5 minutes. Nowadays, the incompetent ones don't either.
vii) Specifically, since this is a Shiva magian staff trick, this will kinda work for trials 842 (50 anything), 843 (50 leeches), 1713 (200 leeches), and 2197 (250 bats). There's no way this is happening with weather, Arcana, Raptors, or Sheep. Only the first two are timed, but any SMN should be able to kill 50 whatever in 50 minutes, especially with Shiva.
viii) different atma for different times of the day? OK, forget it. This is going to take days to carry out.

Conclusion: Buyer beware. There is some misrepresentation going on.

Raz, this post is for everyone else, not you. Obviously, I have my weapon.

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Originally Posted by Dallas

Solo, mini-AF burn fill-in-the-blanks:

Steps:
1) Pull 10+ mobs with DG, regen pet, with a defensive buff if possible. Obviously since he is using Beyond instead of Ultimate, the pet is Shiva, the defensive pact is Ice Spikes. The trials are for Shiva perp staff.

2) Astral Flow 4x, presumably using 3 powerful ethers, because the only way that avatar is going to survive is Sleepga after MP has been brought to 0. Each Diamond Dust will use at least 236MP (180 for AF, 56 for Sleepga)

3) Pray that someone capped azure lights for you, because that single chance at pearl light isn't netting any ISL. The trick ends when an ISL does not drop.

Analysis:
i) 100 damage is reduced to 12.5 damage by DG. Most abyssea mobs hit for 200+. Let's say 25 damage per hit.
ii) 25 x 10 = 250 damage per attack round. The avatar, with 1500 hp, will die in 7 attack rounds UNLESS you spam Dawn Mulsim or Sleepga. Regen is worthless because the avatar isn't evading anything.
iii) Since BP: rage > ether > BP: ward takes 5+ seconds after the Rage, one attack round will always elapse.
iv) DG Atma also has negative movement speed. Pulling 10+ mobs will be VERY slow unless another job is present. This is a frequent requirement of many "solo" strategies, but it was not stated yet.
iv) it is safe to assume multiple Dawn Mulsim are mandatory to survive this.
v) A solid Shiva build can kill one trash mob every 45 seconds. In 5 minutes, that DD SMN can kill 6 trash mobs without Dawn Mulsim or ethers.
vi) The net gain of an item intensive, high risk trick is 4+ extra kills. MP will be 0 afterwards, so without an ISL, that margin is immediately lost. A competent DD never runs out of MP in 5 minutes. Nowadays, the incompetent ones don't either.
vii) Specifically, since this is a Shiva magian staff trick, this will kinda work for trials 842 (50 anything), 843 (50 leeches), 1713 (200 leeches), and 2197 (250 bats). There's no way this is happening with weather, Arcana, Raptors, or Sheep. Only the first two are timed, but any SMN should be able to kill 50 whatever in 50 minutes, especially with Shiva.
viii) different atma for different times of the day? OK, forget it. This is going to take days to carry out.

Conclusion: Buyer beware. There is some misrepresentation going on.

Raz, this post is for everyone else, not you. Obviously, I have my weapon.

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It's highly ironic that you of all people would claim someone is mispresentation anything.

I posted this because I've done it several times before, it's easy if you can play SMN. There is no misrepresentation going on if your skilled you can do it without items, as this is done in Abyssea ethers are a non issue and MP is too. Dallas This takes 5 minutes to do for 10+ mobs seadaughter is fine. Thanks for fillling in blanks that probably no one really needed to be filled(including a few that didn't exist) I was in a hurry last night.

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Originally Posted by Razushu

It's highly ironic that you of all people would claim someone is mispresentation anything.

I posted this because I've done it several times before, it's easy if you can play SMN. There is no misrepresentation going on if your skilled you can do it without items, as this is done in Abyssea ethers are a non issue and MP is too. Dallas This takes 5 minutes to do for 10+ mobs seadaughter is fine. Thanks for fillling in blanks that probably no one really needed to be filled(including a few that didn't exist) I was in a hurry last night.

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Actually I needed the details was never one to astral burn and was trying to work it out in how to complete it solo with that many mobs actually beating on summon. Thank you I am actually going to try this but I will start with a few and get the hang of it before trying it on ten. Thank you for the tip.

Edit: I will admit the astral flow party I was in I killed myself cause didn't really understand not to assult. After that I kinda got the hang of it but it was a long time ago. I never did another astral flow party because it set my smn skill back so far I didn't catch up until I started staff trials. Prior to that one party I always had capped skill =).

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Originally Posted by Neonii

Actually I needed the details

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You asked for details. Raz is horrendous on details.

5 minutes is obviously wrong, since he is pulling with a reduced movement speed avatar then using a 3 minute ability. He's clearly starting the clock after he collects his mobs.

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Originally Posted by Dallas

You asked for details. Raz is horrendous on details.

5 minutes is obviously wrong, since he is pulling with a reduced movement speed avatar then using a 3 minute ability. He's clearly starting the clock after he collects his mobs.

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3 minute ability? Dallas most things die in 2 AF pacts that 45 secs, also you're really over estimating how bad the - movement speed hurts.

Funnily enough Dallas those are the only details you've ever really posted here and they were way off even.

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Originally Posted by Neonii

Actually I needed the details was never one to astral burn and was trying to work it out in how to complete it solo with that many mobs actually beating on summon. Thank you I am actually going to try this but I will start with a few and get the hang of it before trying it on ten. Thank you for the tip.

Edit: I will admit the astral flow party I was in I killed myself cause didn't really understand not to assult. After that I kinda got the hang of it but it was a long time ago. I never did another astral flow party because it set my smn skill back so far I didn't catch up until I started staff trials. Prior to that one party I always had capped skill =).

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Sorry I didn't mean to assume, yeah start with a few it's good for practise.

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Originally Posted by Razushu

3 minute ability? Dallas most things die in 2 AF pacts that 45 secs, also you're really over estimating how bad the - movement speed hurts.

Funnily enough Dallas those are the only details you've ever really posted here and they were way off even.

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-movement speed: superior

Everyone has seen it. I'm calling "2-box solo" now, since you are done defending your claim.

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Originally Posted by Dallas

-movement speed: superior

Everyone has seen it. I'm calling "2-box solo" now, since you are done defending your claim.

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Try proper Solo, seriously have you ever even used DG the - movement speed is not that noticeable until you move long distances. Also a slower avatar helps the pull as you're less likely to lose a linked mob. Is 2boxing how you manage to melee? Do you have a WHM bot spam cures on you when you take hits?

As I said, 2-box until proven otherwise. 10+ mobs is going to be a "long distance." Fail.

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Originally Posted by Dallas

As I said, 2-box until proven otherwise. 10+ mobs is going to be a "long distance." Fail.

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In Abyssea 10 mobs is at most a map grid AT MOST. Funny you of all people should demand proof for something thats very simple to grasp, But I suppose seeing as you can never prove yourself more than a gimp melee(number don't lie, although I'd say any you throw would bend the truth more than a little) I'll let you make claims like 2box all you want.

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Originally Posted by Dallas

-movement speed: superior

Everyone has seen it. I'm calling "2-box solo" now, since you are done defending your claim.

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Ever soloed anything? Seriously? Is the minus movement speed really that bad? Seriously?

It is if you are lying that you can pickup 10+ mobs and kill them all in 5 minutes. Fraps exists, but this video never will.

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Originally Posted by Dallas

It is if you are lying that you can pickup 10+ mobs and kill them all in 5 minutes. Fraps exists, but this video never will.

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I wouldn't expect a gimp melee to understand how this works, it's a trick for Summoner's not 1/4 WARs. I find your lack of knowledge about SMN disturbing.

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Originally Posted by Dallas

It is if you are lying that you can pickup 10+ mobs and kill them all in 5 minutes. Fraps exists, but this video never will.

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Just 5 minutes? a WAR can kill them in less than 30 seconds. And the nice thing about Fell Cleave? Damage isn't reduced based on the number of mobs either.

@tannlore, wow interesting info there. How about offensively? Can u trick spirits to cast damage spells? Perhaps by either attack/cancel or casting debuffs first on mob yourself?

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Originally Posted by Korpg

Just 5 minutes? a WAR can kill them in less than 30 seconds. And the nice thing about Fell Cleave? Damage isn't reduced based on the number of mobs either.

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You do know you're in the job forum represented by that striped ugly thing in the middle of your signature, right? Also, LOL at your bolded statement. You hear this a lot: read more.

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Originally Posted by Dallas

You do know you're in the job forum represented by that striped ugly thing in the middle of your signature, right? Also, LOL at your bolded statement. You hear this a lot: read more.

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Go level BLM and start -aga stuff, you will find out that more mobs = less damage per mob.

But then again, you are the one with the hardon for WAR.

Dallas.... meet me in Brenner sometime...

He might, if he actually leveled SMN.

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Originally Posted by Korpg

Go level BLM and start -aga stuff, you will find out that more mobs = less damage per mob.

But then again, you are the one with the hardon for WAR.

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BLM is that failure on the right, not the failure in the middle. Would someone find this illiterate guy irl and tell him what ability and what job is being discussed?

Back in campaign, one of the biggest cheats was to buy one of the bombs from the NPC, summon your avatar, use the bomb, and back out of its range. If it diffused and didn't explode, your avatar became free of cost. I don't know if it still works or if that's the exact correct order... or if it's even safe (I don't know how SE can ban anyone for a cheat in their own programming though), but it was how a lot of summoners use to do campaign back in the day.

The best way to solo hard monsters as a summoner is to not use assault or bloodpacts ever, and to use your cheapest avatar. Back at 75 this use to be Carbuncle, and the term "Carby kiting" became pretty big. What you do is you pop the monster (or if it's already up, one assault), then run far far away. When the monster is completely out of range and you're plenty far from getting aggro, you wait until your avatar dies, resummon, let your summon find the monster, and run past them both to another area out of range of that monster. Continue this until the monster's health is low enough, and bring out your big guns, such as Garuda.

That strategy use to be the best way to solo XP back in the day pre75 and pre-Spirit Taker. Of course everything has now changed about SMN, so I don't know. ^^;

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Originally Posted by Dallas

BLM is that failure on the right, not the failure in the middle. Would someone find this illiterate guy irl and tell him what ability and what job is being discussed?

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Well, smart guy, how many AoE abilities do you have, at one time? I mean, of course, not including 2hr.

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Originally Posted by Korpg

Well, smart guy, how many AoE abilities do you have, at one time? I mean, of course, not including 2hr.

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Funny, Raz was talking about the SMN 2hr. Your reading skills are absolutely the worst I have ever seen.

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Originally Posted by Dallas

Funny, Raz was talking about the SMN 2hr. Your reading skills are absolutely the worst I have ever seen.

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I'm surprised you didn't mention Thunderspark tbh. I was waiting for that.

Besides, I wasn't talking to him, I was talking to you. And you postulate that my reading skills are below par. Well, the accusation goes back to you.

Korpg, if you are going to interrupt others and not bother to know what the topic is, just expect to look illiterate.

Here's you: OMG, my WAR's WS is so good because it isn't reduced by number of targets! Take that BLM with your "aga"s!

You deserve to be laughed out of here.

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Originally Posted by Dallas

Korpg, if you are going to interrupt others and not bother to know what the topic is, just expect to look illiterate.

Here's you: OMG, my WAR's WS is so good because it isn't reduced by number of targets! Take that BLM with your "aga"s!

You deserve to be laughed out of here.

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You still never answered the question. You instead take my words out of context and spew "illiterate" all over the place.

In fact, I gave you the answer, and you still accuse me of not reading.

You just trolling son. Very badly if I do say so myself. You have yet to get a negative response out of me in, how many months now?

Why do you feel you deserve any responses from me, Korpg?

A little conceited, aren't you?

Hum to bad you guys are not on the same server you could do a Ballista and finally settle it. :cool::cool::cool:

Ballista doesn't give him his needed atmas though.

Ballista would be too boring, since he'd obviously be too afraid to attack me because of the TP feed.

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Originally Posted by Dallas

Ballista would be too boring, since he'd obviously be too afraid to attack me because of the TP feed.

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Please, all I have to do is run around until you run out of mp. Give you like a minute and a half until you run out of mp.

I have an idle set. It's called -perp. You are going to have to run in terror a long time, I'm afraid.

Ballista's basic problem is gear change stun anyway. A Summoner who changes gear 4 times during a BP suffers tremendously.

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Originally Posted by Malamasala

Ballista's basic problem is gear change stun anyway. A Summoner who changes gear 4 times during a BP suffers tremendously.

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Thats why you don't gear swap, it's a pain and a big reason why I don't bother with it. PvP which prevents swapping situational gear, in a game built on situational gear.

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Originally Posted by Dallas

Why do you feel you deserve any responses from me, Korpg?

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lol.

"You're not worth talking to so I'm not gonna talk to you. I'm really not!"

I want him to know that the time is there, but I would sooner waste it than give him what he wants.