Why is it necessary to punish players for missing Vana'bout objectives?

There is a difference between "content I haven't done" and "content I literally cannot do" though. For someone who hasn't started on a mog garden, monster rearing is over a month away. That's not encouraging people to try something, it's shaming them for not having done it sooner. As one objective among many, that's fine. As one that keeps being repeated, that can prevent others from being offered, it is not.

Then there's group content, where you need to have three people to enter. That's not, in itself, a terrible thing, especially when suddenly everybody on the server has a reason to want to do that same content that day. Except for the people who don't because they got locked out of that objective. Now you have a cascade of people who didn't do one fight getting out of sync with people who did, reducing the number of players who are available to team up, making it more likely that someone won't be able to do the second fight, and now they're locked out of tomorrow's fight...

Last time, ENMs came up. You get to do four of those per conquest tally, no more. Objectives were on a four-day cycle. If you didn't figure out the 30-cap fights by your second try, you'd have to get the 50-cap one on the first attempt, or there go those objectives, literally impossible to complete and they lock that slot for the next day too.

That's infuriating for people trying for the leaderboard, and I think there has been less interest in it this time as a result. For people who aren't... well, it's a death of a thousand cuts. No single objective being unpleasant (chocobo digging) or time-gated (monster rearing) or difficult (heroines' combat) or time-consuming (treasure hunter) or confusing (heroines' tower) or requiring a head count (incursion), or costing valued resources (unlocking seals 1) is enough to ruin the event, but stack it all up, factor in each of those stopping somebody from doing something else afterward...

To be clear, I'm not complaining about... most of those, I have tried chocobo digging and I would rather play spin the bottle with a morbol... but the key here is that, again, they only work if players can pick and choose which ones they want to engage with, without being penalized beyond not earning the reward for that particular objective.

Would you eat at a restaurant if you saw the day's special and didn't care for it, then returned the next day to see that the new daily special is something you really enjoy, but you can't order it because you didn't order yesterday's?

Emptiness as a Daily objective (promy) makes you wait 5 days to get a new KI to try again. Thats really unfair. I concur with you.

And we were supposed to remember that its only once per conquest tally? from 2007? No warning or anything. Its Bogus

And then to add insult to injury they give this objective again in the same week that you still cant do it because you cant get KI until conquest tally. Its like a 150 point robbery

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Originally Posted by Proserphina

And then to add insult to injury they give this objective again in the same week that you still cant do it because you cant get KI until conquest tally. Its like a 150 point robbery

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It actually isn’t conquest tally, it’s 5 earth days from the second you enter the ENM battlefield. This and Monster Rearing with its month minimum lockout are the worst design decisions in this whole thing as far as objective choices. It is beyond stupid tying objectives to time gated or locked out content especially with the current state of pug groups

I think this time round, SE needed to lower the top target from 1300 to 900, say. There was too much old content that you couldn't do by yourself. They should've also extended the time to get plaudits by a week, if they wanted to keep that 1300 target. On my server, only 35-ish people registered having reached the 1300 target. It has been a bad bunch of objectives this time round & agree with others, it is unfair.

It is pretty heavy on favouring those who have multiple bodies to throw at things.

Perhaps they really want to see people working together, not realising the reality...

I do have to admit that I did have some fun with getting back to Red Maging a bit on lower levels, though I was really disappointed in the beginning seeing all those "need 3 at least to enter even" ones again (not even mentioning the 5-day-wait ones, because that's a bad idea obviously and will never be repeated... right?).

That title thing really probably should be something like "reach this amount of points" instead of 10 first. Do they really not know what is going on in their own game?

Aside from the 5-day-wait ones, and the need-atleast-3 ones, the Ambuscade Hallmarks and Gallivantingry ones seem to also favour only those who can, a lot. I could have grinded the Hallmarks solo in maybe 5 hours, using seals, on Intense Normal, but when it's the Dullahan? No thank you. I could have grinded Very Difficult Regular instead, for hours more, but again, no thanks. I'd need to have perfect score from every day to make sure I'd be up there for that title in any case.

And these two are forth 100 points each, which makes them even worse as they are. I did not do them ending with 2260 points.

Getting someawhats rambly-like here... but I think that's about it for my thoughts on this round. It was not good, especially with so many translation errors around, some I think carrying over from the last one.

We can have better, I think! :]