Why is this a problem? It doesn't mean nobody ever went there, and in the very early days, some poeple did. I've spent more time there than you'd probably guess. I can certainly understand the desire to have more reasons to visit old areas, but if you just want to see the sights, you don't necessarily need content to take you there. And as I like to say, just because they could do something, doesn't mean they should. You still don't have much of an argument other than filling space for the sake of filling space.Quote:
Ghelsba Outpost and Fort Ghelsba have never been used or mentioned in any community guides as a popular or recurring place for new or existing players to level.
Again, not sure why we need excuses to go to these places. They have core purposes for the main storylines, that's why they're there. these "dungeon" areas were meant for quests, not so much for just grinding. And I'm not seeing the need for more monster camps for master leveling. Even on Asura, sure, there's a lot of people mercing or botting in one area. But it's hardly the only area. Have a look around, there are numerous other areas they added monsters to. People are just gravitating towards the easiest ones.Quote:
Players have always moved towards Jueno seeking monsters that are closer in level them, rather then Beastmen strongholds in our home nations. (This is why it's a great choice for Apex mobs and Master Leveling).
I'm still not really seeing any compelling argument here, beyond "let's fill space for the sake of filling space."Quote:
The zones itself have a lot of free-roaming capability, and unique terrain which make for challenging spawns possible (both above and below a players current position).
When the game designers make decisions, they (historically, at least) don't simply look at the map and go, "okay, which spot in the game is the most empty, let's put something there." Things have to make sense. Now, to be fair, I don't agree with a lot of the *current* high/apex mob placements either, it's not just your ideas. For example, they decided to go your route with numerous areas years ago and it proved very problematic for people trying to complete quests- Dangruf Wadi for instance, which was certainly a very underused area, but they plopped high level monsters directly in the path needed to complete some quests that are well below the level of the mobs they placed there. creating a beginners trap where people see the monsters and might try to fight them (even after checking them- I know from experience that players would sometimes try to fight "incredibly tough" mobs even though it was probably going to be a bad idea).
I'm just going to set aside entirely the discussion about "dynamis theme" or new endgame content type stuff, because while changing mob camps is probably possible, there's just no way they're going to do something large scale like create new raid zones. So what I actually think of those ideas is honestly irrelevant (I never said I didn't want new content, I'm just being realistic).
The most likely vectors for any new content will be things like new boss fights in previously under-used BCNM areas, of which there are quite a few (though some have been used recently for TVR). But the difference between this and the things you're proposing is adding something like that doesn't have any potential interfere with low level characters accomplishing their goals.
More Apex mobs in ....Beastmen Strongholds?
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06-29-2023, 05:06 PMAlhanelem
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06-29-2023, 05:31 PMVonima2I like these ideas! Plenty of pockets in certain parts of those zones that could have monsters converted to Apex. Different atmosphere, different mob types, could be fun!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gwydion
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06-29-2023, 06:16 PMAlhanelemThere is literally a zero percent chance the two of you are not simply trolling the crap out of me right now. I'd really love to get in a voice chat with both of you and serve me all these "ideas" with a straight face. It really is just like I stepped into a time machine 15 years into the past.Quote:
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06-30-2023, 11:39 AMGwydionThere's nothing wrong with anyone enjoying FFXI on these forums. It's actually fun to share new ideas for content, mobs or even new dynamis-themed areas. Also, look, not everything revolves around you. Instead of reflecting inward, how about you contribute to this conversation? If you had the time and resources, what area or type of mobs would you like to see become available for Master Leveling?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
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06-30-2023, 12:14 PMVonima2
Would also love to see apex mobs in MMM with trusts made usable.
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06-30-2023, 12:24 PMGwydionI was not playing FFXI when MMM was popular, so I certainly would love to have a reason to go there.Quote:
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06-30-2023, 12:41 PMAlhanelemI never said there was anything wrong.Quote:
There's nothing wrong with anyone enjoying FFXI on these forums.
But i'm just telling you the time for ideas and suggestions is largely past. Even the best ideas aren't going to be implemented because they don't have the staff to do anything grand. As long as you understand that it's just fantasy, sure, it's fine I guess. I'm really just here to tell you to keep your expectations grounded. -
06-30-2023, 02:45 PMSirmarkiWe all pay for a service, so there is nothing wrong in suggesting things which may or may not improve QoL.Quote:
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06-30-2023, 02:46 PMGwydionYou must be a lot of fun at parties. Also, you still haven't joined in on the conversation. If you had the time and resources, what area or type of mobs would you like to see become available for Master Leveling?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
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06-30-2023, 04:27 PMStuzey
Interesting Idea, apex mobs come to bolster beastmen areas.
I guess the issues are, not all the zones are equal in size, ghelsba is much larger than giddeus or palborough, plus these zones are used in early quests / missions, it would need to be planned extremely carefully as you can't have a low level trying to finish a mission run smack bang into apex mobs.
Unfortunatly I can't see it working due to this, It's tricky to introduce high level mobs to low level zones, the mobs that already exist may have to be moved as they drop items needed for crafting / quests, existing NM's (which ghelsba has a few) would need to be reloacted plus the new apex mobs can't get in the way of newbies or returning players (Warchief Vatgit for example).
Off topic, I do have fond memories of running around Ghelsba in my early days (2006), I remember getting the Lantern Shield and selling it for over 100k, I felt so rich, plus my first rare/ex drop from an NM, an Auriga Xiphos heh, I still have it today :)