Please SE we need the Linkshell "war and drama" back in the game

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Originally Posted by Camiie

What's scary is that people used to use the dead time between spawn windows as a selling point of the game! They were actually happy that the game was giving them time to watch TV or play a different game in the meantime. How absolutely absurd is that? I said it then and I'll say it again now; If the best part of a game is doing something other than playing it, then that game has a serious problem.

Now I'm sure someone will come along shortly and perform a gold medal level mental gymnastics routine attempting to justify that as excellent game design, but I'm never going to buy it. I mean if that aspect of the game is so wonderful then sitting around town LFP for hours on end must have been positively orgasmic.

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How is that absurd?

I don't know if you are currently actually playing the game, these comments aren't specifically directed towards the quoted post, but in general your attitude towards the 75 days whenever you post about it, but the game is more grindy now than it was then. 3 hours of camping an HNM where you only had to look at your screen every 30mins? Hard stuff. Dyna every 3 days, better yet, dyna every 3days that you could half-ass and still come out with decent numbers. Limbus every 3 days? Sky rotations every other days or on off times because of rotations with other LS? Sea same boat? Yeah, game was so hard back then, compared to the million daily things players do every day now. I think your ignorance of the 75 days really shines whenever you post about it. I agree that it wasn't fun to compete for HNMs, mostly because the level of competition against bots, but you are very misinformed as if the game was so much harder to do anything, or better yet, "nobody has time for that" type comments. There was a significant amount of things you could also do while lfp also. Just because you utilized your afking while lfp to the max, doesn't mean that is how every one played. I level drg to 75 during ToAU and never experienced these drastic amount of LFP times people like you try to portray. Did you sit in the deepest cave on the planet with flag off /anon LFP?

To your last remark, obviously the game was more wonderful, or the player base wouldn't of declined, with implementations of what YOU feel is the best parts of the game now.

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Originally Posted by PlumbGame

How is that absurd?

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Games are meant to be played. Do you really think it makes sense that the best part of a game is time spent not playing it? Imagine seeing that line in a review. "The best part of FFXI's endgame is time spent not playing it."

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I don't know if you are currently actually playing the game, these comments aren't specifically directed towards the quoted post, but in general your attitude towards the 75 days whenever you post about it, but the game is more grindy now than it was then. 3 hours of camping an HNM where you only had to look at your screen every 30mins? Hard stuff.

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I actually noted in my post that it wasn't hard. Endgame back then consisted of waiting around and whose claim bot beat the other teams' claim bots. So yeah you're right there was nothing hard about it. The fights themselves were no challenge unless someone on your team made an egregious mistake or another LS was trying to MPK you.

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Dyna every 3 days, better yet, dyna every 3days that you could half-ass and still come out with decent numbers. Limbus every 3 days? Sky rotations every other days or on off times because of rotations with other LS? Sea same boat? Yeah, game was so hard back then, compared to the million daily things players do every day now. I think your ignorance of the 75 days really shines whenever you post about it.

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MY ignorance? MINE? I was there day in and day out. I did all those things time and time again. I camped when we camped. I did events every night we didn't. Don't start some BS attack on me just because I disagree with your idea of what's fun. And AGAIN I never said it was hard. I said it SUCKED. Try reading what's actually on the screen next time.

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I agree that it wasn't fun to compete for HNMs, mostly because the level of competition against bots, but you are very misinformed as if the game was so much harder to do anything, or better yet, "nobody has time for that" type comments. There was a significant amount of things you could also do while lfp also. Just because you utilized your afking while lfp to the max, doesn't mean that is how every one played. I level drg to 75 during ToAU and never experienced these drastic amount of LFP times people like you try to portray.

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You mean you leveled DRG when colibri camp was big? No wonder you didn't suffer then. And you think I'M the one with limited experience who doesn't know what she's talking about? smh right now.

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Did you sit in the deepest cave on the planet with flag off /anon LFP?

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Depending on the level and era I would either flag up in the popular zone, or in Jeuno. By the time ToAU came out I didn't really need to flag up anymore. Since you apparently started during ToAU and somehow skipped all the levels before 55 you missed all the fun of leveling during the pre-ToAU days. Sorry, but that's all I can gather from what you've told me of your leveling experience.

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To your last remark, obviously the game was more wonderful, or the player base wouldn't of declined, with implementations of what YOU feel is the best parts of the game now.

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You might want to study the differences between causation and correlation before you make such a claim.

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Originally Posted by Stompa

I agree with this completely. Infact this week my best friend in FFXI tossed her RMEs, tossed 25 sets of reforged+1, tossed loads of HQ ilvl gear from BCNMs, and took her character out naked bloodwarping all 20 of her lvl99 jobs down to level 75. She intends to play old areas on 75 jobs, and finish all her crafts to 100. Obviously that isn't going to appeal to everyone, but it shows that some people really don't like the lvl 76+ game at all.

So I do totally miss 75 era too, and I really enjoyed fighting some of the less popular NMs back then, mobs that didn't have crowds of people spamming tools to get claim etc. I don't miss LS wars or camping the high-demand NMs, that just brought out the ugliness in people. Square are of course Japanese, and a lot of people have said over the years that FFXI was built around the Japanese cultural norm that "teamwork" is the the most important quality one can aspire to, and that is why FFXI never really had a proper PVP, because the idea is to work together and not fight each other. It seems that SE may have regretted the division and bitterness that those Linkshell NM-camps caused, and wanted to steer the game to an entirely teamwork-based and more amiable atmosphere for everyone.

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does your friend realize they could have just started another character?

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Originally Posted by Camiie

Games are meant to be played. Do you really think it makes sense that the best part of a game is time spent not playing it? Imagine seeing that line in a review. "The best part of FFXI's endgame is time spent not playing it."



I actually noted in my post that it wasn't hard. Endgame back then consisted of waiting around and whose claim bot beat the other teams' claim bots. So yeah you're right there was nothing hard about it. The fights themselves were no challenge unless someone on your team made an egregious mistake or another LS was trying to MPK you.



MY ignorance? MINE? I was there day in and day out. I did all those things time and time again. I camped when we camped. I did events every night we didn't. Don't start some BS attack on me just because I disagree with your idea of what's fun. And AGAIN I never said it was hard. I said it SUCKED. Try reading what's actually on the screen next time.



You mean you leveled DRG when colibri camp was big? No wonder you didn't suffer then. And you think I'M the one with limited experience who doesn't know what she's talking about? smh right now.



Depending on the level and era I would either flag up in the popular zone, or in Jeuno. By the time ToAU came out I didn't really need to flag up anymore. Since you apparently started during ToAU and somehow skipped all the levels before 55 you missed all the fun of leveling during the pre-ToAU days. Sorry, but that's all I can gather from what you've told me of your leveling experience.



You might want to study the differences between causation and correlation before you make such a claim.

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Yes your ignorance, did I stutter in my post? Oh, you mean the colibri camps that you couldn't even do till some odd 50s then again once you were 75? (I can't remember the exact lvl, but you did not lvl off colibri from 1 - 75 lmao). I really hope those who aren't really experienced with the 75 days don't listen to people like this. So misleading.

There was several ways to combat sitting in town lfp, this person blatantly failed at it, well, the implication from their comments. they failed at just about everything.

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Originally Posted by PlumbGame

Yes your ignorance, did I stutter in my post? Oh, you mean the colibri camps that you couldn't even do till some odd 50s then again once you were 75? (I can't remember the exact lvl, but you did not lvl off colibri from 1 - 75 lmao). I really hope those who aren't really experienced with the 75 days don't listen to people like this. So misleading.

There was several ways to combat sitting in town lfp, this person blatantly failed at it, well, the implication from their comments. they failed at just about everything.

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That sounded a lot like you ran out of logical arguments and just decided to start throwing insults. When all else fails, just start telling people that they suck for no reason.

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Originally Posted by PlumbGame

Oh, you mean the colibri camps that you couldn't even do till some odd 50s then again once you were 75? (I can't remember the exact lvl, but you did not lvl off colibri from 1 - 75 lmao).

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54-58 Wajaom Woodlands (Lesser Colibri)
54-60 Bhaflau Thickets (Lesser Colibri)
55-60 Caedarva Mire (Marsh Murre)
59-62 Wajaom Woodlands (Puk)
61-64 Bibiki Bay (Tragopan)
67-75 Caedarva Mire (Heraldic Imp/Spongilla Fly)
73-75 Bhaflau Thickets (Colibri)

Do you seriously not remember that damn near everything we exped on at that time was weak to piercing and it was WAY easier to level DRG at that point than previously especially after 2H rebalance?!??

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Originally Posted by Camiie

What's scary is that people used to use the dead time between spawn windows as a selling point of the game! They were actually happy that the game was giving them time to watch TV or play a different game in the meantime. How absolutely absurd is that? I said it then and I'll say it again now; If the best part of a game is doing something other than playing it, then that game has a serious problem.

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Again this is just the personal opinion toward playing video games....I've played many, many games that I do focus on playing/button mash 100% of time, IMO it's not superior nor worse than camping NM in FFXI. They're just different.

Games that needs to be played 100% of time can be fun in a very short amount of time, and it's certainly entertaining. But it also doesn't last very long, and it can be very tiring after 1~2hr of playing(for me at least). If I play games that needs 100% of focus, I usually can't play for more than 1hr, that's just me.

On the other hand, camping NM creates a lot more relaxed atmosphere as long as it's not popping soon. I can talk to other players for hrs, which is something I usually won't bother in a more incensed MMO titles. I can alt tab and watch video....AND still feel like I'm playing a video game. I just happened to enjoy playing video games and watch video without using 100% of my focus sometimes. In the end it's not as tiring and I can spend more time on gaming.

Again, everyone has their own opinion toward gaming, but saying the game suck just because you don't like it(and somehow looked down on other's opinion about it) doesn't make your opinion better than others.

There are many, many titles on the market that requires 100% of focus or even button mash the whole time, if I want to play games like this I can always just go...play them?

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Please SE we need the Linkshell "war and drama" back in the game

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No, sorry, we don't. The only way to enjoy this is to be the one causing it. And that's an asinine thing to do.

If you want a competitive game, go play a moba. Tons and tons and tons of drama there for your enjoyment.

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I'm pretty sure that almost nobody actually enjoyed this. Most sane people avoided it.

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What people enjoyed was making sure other people didn't have the chance to do what you described by hacking and cheating. These same people will tell you that getting a rare drop isn't exciting unless you had to step on 50 other people to get the chance to obtain it.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

No, sorry, we don't. The only way to enjoy this is to be the one causing it. And that's an asinine thing to do.

If you want a competitive game, go play a moba. Tons and tons and tons of drama there for your enjoyment.

What people enjoyed was making sure other people didn't have the chance to do what you described by hacking and cheating. These same people will tell you that getting a rare drop isn't exciting unless you had to step on 50 other people to get the chance to obtain it.

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Pretty much the bolded part. Power Gamers I think they call them. It's also another support for why a new server like I mentioned before would probably be successful. Though sad.

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Originally Posted by Selindrile

54-58 Wajaom Woodlands (Lesser Colibri)
54-60 Bhaflau Thickets (Lesser Colibri)
55-60 Caedarva Mire (Marsh Murre)
59-62 Wajaom Woodlands (Puk)
61-64 Bibiki Bay (Tragopan)
67-75 Caedarva Mire (Heraldic Imp/Spongilla Fly)
73-75 Bhaflau Thickets (Colibri)

Do you seriously not remember that damn near everything we exped on at that time was weak to piercing and it was WAY easier to level DRG at that point than previously especially after 2H rebalance?!??

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Do you seriously think people just leveled up at those camps? Even more so my comment mention 1-75? Colibri 1-75? Thanks for supporting what I said.

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

That sounded a lot like you ran out of logical arguments and just decided to start throwing insults. When all else fails, just start telling people that they suck for no reason.

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Don't construe facts of the implications someone said into insults. The person blatantly implies they were bad.