No more "easy" leveling 91-99

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Originally Posted by Magnum

This was never a "lvl up to 99 in Abyssea" thread, it was about adding new content and a challenge to XI. I for one would relish the time spent developing new strategies, etc to get through "hard" content, it would be much more an acomplishment than being "spoon-fed" Abyssea.

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Sorry, you made it an exp thread by mentioning it twice in the OP.

I don't have the same patience with FFXI that I did when I was younger. I'm all for challenging content, but if the game reverts back into an excessively sadistic grind for exp and scraps of gear to feed whole alliances, fuck it, I'm out. FFXI is more fun now than it has been in years.

You wanna make lvling 91-99 hard i propose you must collect 20 merits first then use KSCNM99 that requires 18 that not suck and make the fight insanely hard. If you lose the fight you lose your 20 merits and your KSCNM99 orb. Then the OP will cry because it's too hard and demand that SE should make it easier.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

Content is one thing. Leveling is another. You are not making that distinction in your OP, and your thread title is incredibly misleading.

EXP can and will not change from 91-99 because Abyssea EXP, as it is right now without any adjustments, will be just as viable at 99 as it is at 90. If anything it will be easier. If you want to talk about EXP, it's a moot point and you're just SOL because there is no way to force anyone to level outside Abyssea from 91-99. They will always have that option.

If you want to talk about Content, I highly suggest changing your thread title. You're just going to confuse people.

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You miss my point completely! CHALLENGES within this game, COP/Zillart back in the day took on average 2 years to complete, now WOOSH 75-90 in 3-4 hrs, where is the fun/gratification/pride in that?

Personally, leveling is a rather outdated mechanic to me. I feel like more MMOs are rethinking the concept lately and that it isn't really a good time in FFXI's life to suddenly adjust the mechanic on everyone. It might be new/interesting to a player starting from 90, but to a new or returning player, there would just suddenly be a lump in the road of leveling, for no clear reason.

Getting back to what I meant by leveling being an outdated mechanic though... most companies will rush you through your levels because the majority of the content they want to spend their time on is endgame. That is the greatest return for investment. And Lore suffers pretty heavily under the concept of levels as well. I've met some sheep that could wipe the floor with Shadowlord. Never mind the heroes of the time being witnessed to be infinitely stronger than their opposition when "Wings of the Goddess" was added. Why did a group of 6 adventurers need to take care of this when Maat, or really any NPC could have slapped him down with next to no effort? When you have levels, these things become more obvious.

The oddness of leveling has become more obvious over the years as more parody of the system comes into play. What about stomping on rabbits for a week teaches me to fight a dragon? Do you really just want me stomping of rabbits for 2 weeks instead? Does that really change anything? It is just a scaling time barrier. I see no reason to really inflate the nonsense scale any further.

Now if you want to make me go through a long quest series along the lines of missions where I get rewarded with individual level cap increases, I suppose I would at least be interested. But it would still be annoying, and there would still be max level people within hours of server up.

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Originally Posted by Magnum

You miss my point completely! CHALLENGES within this game, COP/Zillart back in the day took on average 2 years to complete, now WOOSH 75-90 in 3-4 hrs, where is the fun/gratification/pride in that?

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Dude. Doesn't matter. This thread is just *asking* to be flamed. Not because people are flamers. But because you intentionally made an OP and thread title that would antagonize people.

*EXP* will not change.

EXP is what is in your thread title.

EXP is what is in your OP.

If you want to talk about Content, edit the title/OP so people don't come in here foaming at the mouth.

Or you're trolling and I'm really, really dumb. Either one is fine, just tell me which :(

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Originally Posted by Magnum

You miss my point completely! CHALLENGES within this game, COP/Zillart back in the day took on average 2 years to complete, now WOOSH 75-90 in 3-4 hrs, where is the fun/gratification/pride in that?

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You're comparing apples and oranges here. Missions and quests vs exp grinding.

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Originally Posted by Magnum

You miss my point completely! CHALLENGES within this game, COP/Zillart back in the day took on average 2 years to complete, now WOOSH 75-90 in 3-4 hrs, where is the fun/gratification/pride in that?

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Hate to break it to you, but taking 3-4 years to complete CoP/RoZ has nothing to do with people leveling fast.

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Originally Posted by Magnum

You miss my point completely! CHALLENGES within this game, COP/Zillart back in the day took on average 2 years to complete, now WOOSH 75-90 in 3-4 hrs, where is the fun/gratification/pride in that?

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Hate to break it to you, but XP parties have never and will never be challenging. What they were was tedious. Now they're not. Removing tedium is always a good thing.

the big thing is they need to give us more challanges that force us to work as a team. They are going to have to come out with one heck of an expansion or ffxi will die. Its so easy to get lvls, skills, gear, etc that before long there will be NOTHING left to do. Literally. You can nearly solo everything and frankly without the challange none of the content really takes any time anymore. CoP and ToAU took years before to complete, not only due to lack of lvls, as long as u had one lvl 75 char you were usually good, but the challange is what took time. Fight Wipe Fight Wipe Fight Wipe, you needed strategy and cooperation between the pt members. Now you go in attack, heal, win, /cheer. If we arent challanged we are going to not be able to use all our fancy new gear since there will be nothing to use it on. Basically the whole game needs to be revamped to fit the new lvl cap or massive expansions have to be added. Something that will challange us like CoP and ToAU used to before the devs thought it was a good idea to gimp it to all burning hell

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

Dude. Doesn't matter. This thread is just *asking* to be flamed. Not because people are flamers. But because you intentionally made an OP and thread title that would antagonize people.

*EXP* will not change.

I never asked it to be changed!

EXP is what is in your thread title.

Yes it is.

EXP is what is in your OP.

Yes it is.

If you want to talk about Content, edit the title/OP so people don't come in here foaming at the mouth.

Am I the one trolling and flaming?

Or you're trolling and I'm really, really dumb. Either one is fine, just tell me which :(

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You just answered your own thread!