Yep, my thread about a VW Point system is down in the list somewhere, it sunk. I would probably get more likes in it if I ever fished it up but I didn't. If likes bumped threads up, it might be a different story, but as it is sometimes threads just don't get replies, they only get likes because there isn't much to say, and in those cases how do you get more likes to make it more noticeable? Answer is, you post yourself, or in other words, bump.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirage
Unaugmented AF2+2 Storage
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10-03-2012, 08:07 PMDemon6324236
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10-03-2012, 08:12 PMDemon6324236Never had time to reply in the middle of all of that. They had time, to give word of any sort, the slightest hint of info to tell us we were being paid attention to and that our idea had been passed on. Were you to say "Hey!" every 6 hours in my thread, I assure you I would respond in some way within the 1st 12, unless something in real life happened to prevent it, in which case so long as my life is not in danger, it would take me probably a day or 2 at most. In either case, I sadly do not get paid for it either, where as so far as I know, their job, or at least part of it, is communicating with the community.Quote:
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10-03-2012, 08:12 PMMirageYeah, you like using hyperbole a lot. We get it.Quote:
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10-03-2012, 08:31 PMKristalI assume you have never used /blist or spamblock features for FFXI or anything else then...Quote:
Originally Posted by Demon6324236
It's their job to collect and filter threads and pass them on to the translation team and devs, not to be at your beck and call whenever you feel like your opinion matters more then anyone elses. Ultimately, there was not one but TWO responses: "We don't think it's a good idea." and "Stop shouting, we heard you the first time."
Had you forgone the incessant whining that is bumping, you probably could have replied IN the thread to the dev's response as it would not have been closed. (As witnessed on multiple other threads where responses were posted that did not meet player demands.) -
10-03-2012, 08:32 PMMirage
If they heard us the first time, they should have told us they heard us the first time. It wouldn't even have to be a "yes, we'll tell them". A "We've read the thread and taken its content into consideration" would have been plenty.
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10-03-2012, 08:51 PMDemon6324236I don't think my opinion matters more than anyone else's. I saw 125+ people who liked that thread, all of which I agree with. Not one time in that thread was there a given reason with sound logic & reasoning as to why adding this storage slip would be bad that I can recall. As such, my opinion, which has logical reasoning behind it (we get to save more inventory space without having to do a time restricted event for minor experience points to be able to put it on a slip to take less space) seems to be good, and it seems like more than 100 other people in the community agreed with it as well. Not to mention, seeing as there was no logical opposition, it seems as if I have no one to think my opinion is better than. Now if I were arguing this point after someone pointed out how this would effect the game negatively, and they had many people who agreed with them, and supported that, it would be another story, that however is not the case.Quote:
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10-03-2012, 09:44 PMDreamin
The only reason is to keep bumping up the thread is to keep it front and center to SE's rep. It is OUR only way to communicate to them that it is a FEATURE/PROBLEM that us, the player base wants to get addressed.
Now, all ppl ever asked in that thread is an Acknowledgement from the community rep that they have heard and read the desire of the playerbase. All we're looking for is something like: "okay, we see that there are over 112 likes in this thread. We're not sure how fast/realistic is it to do this but we will send it up to the dev to let them decided. We may or may not ever knows what comes out of it so please dont keep asking for a response on when it will get implemented". A quick and simple acknowledgement such as that is all that ppl in that thread wanted. -
10-03-2012, 11:02 PMFrapp
The thing that has been bothering me the most lately is the silence we're getting when compared to the FFXIV forums. Granted, XIV is going into a huge reboot. I get that there is going to be some focus on that side. However, go look at their Dev Tracker. At least 2-3 responses a day. Sometimes in the same thread. There is back and forth communication between the players and developers through the community team. While I can't speak for anyone else but me, that level of communication is what I'd love to see on these forums. September had nearly complete silence with the exception of the Mog House contest.
There are a lot of people on these forums, on Blue Gartr, on Allakhazam, and on FFXIAH (sorry if I've missed anyone). I'm seeing the same thing across the board. Silence. There's just a general lack of news to get people excited and talking again. Vanafest 2012 gave the most activity the boards have seen for a good long while. People were legitimately excited again. Look how quickly that faded because of the silence.
Community Reps and Developers: There are a lot of people here who are passionate about this game, myself included. We bring you our ideas because we want to see Final Fantasy XI succeed and flourish again. We want to see this game be the best it can be. While the delivery can vary greatly from person to person and thread to thread, the underlying message is the same. We believe in the game. Many of us have forged friendships with people we've never met. Some people have even gotten married after being introduced through the game. When we look back at FFXI, that's what we want to remember - the good times.
As much as I would also like to see more communication, I'd also like to have better communication. What I mean by that is simple: tell us how you came to a decision. Almost all of us went through multiple levels of education and now have careers. At every turn we were or are required to show an amount of work to prove our results. Again, while I don't speak for everyone here, I would like the same in kind. I would much rather be told "We're sorry, we can't implement 'Idea X' because it would violate 'Rule A' and interfere with 'Event Q' by [insert explanations here]." I'd love to have a logical response like that because it tells us why something can't happen. Lately the responses have felt more like "Sorry, we aren't implementing 'Idea X'. Now go to your room and play with your toys." Final Fantasy XI cannot survive with responses like that.
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10-04-2012, 01:47 AMPhogg
@Okiput - You provided half of a response and then closed the thread before you could receive any feedback. Kudo's, top notch service right there. Why do we even have these forums? Way to tell your customer base to piss off, my goodness...
Like many things the devs do that some find it difficult to understand, the storage system (while welcomed) was flawed to begin with. Yes, slips take up inventory. Instead of saying "we can't make everything store-able because then all the storage slips would take up all your space", wouldn't it be nice to reconsider how the slips work? Why do we even need them at all? Why do we need so many types? Is it not possible to simply trade gear to the moogle to store? Create submenu's to sort that gear, etc?
I don't know the answer to those questions, and apparently I'm not allowed to ask them I guess. SE customer service, its like a chocobo with its head in the sand!
BTW this is not an attack, this is called feedback. I'm pretty sure that's what these forums are in place to provide. Get thicker skin because that type of response and thread locking is about as unprofessional as anything that can happen in a space such as this, and there has been a lot of that happening lately.
Go open a word document.
Type "This suggestion/thread has received enough interest and we have forwarded the contents to the development team. Thank you loyal customers for your feedback!"
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10-04-2012, 03:13 AMCalatillaExcept Storage slips hold more than 1 piece of gear. So rather than having 6 unaugmented AF2+2 pieces cluttering my inventory, I`d have 1 extra storage slip.Quote:
-If we were to give relic equipment +2 that has not been augmented its own moogle slip, and we continued at the pace, we would eventually reach a point where storage slips themselves would begin to clutter a player's inventory. So we have to be very careful about the pace at which we implement storage slips to avoid creating so many slips that they become inventory hogs as well. With these thoughts in mind, we ultimately decided to limit it to upgraded pieces only